Russian Bounties- crickets

Backyardski

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I find it amazing no one has commented on Russia placing bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan. No outrage on here, or conversely anyone trying to make excuses for the President. Either he knew and did nothing or it was his dereliction of duty not reading his daily briefings (we’ve heard those stories before so not hard to imagine). If he truly wasn’t informed then those responsible for sharing that info with him should be immediately fired. I think no one has commented yet because Trump and the spinmeisters are chasing their asses trying to come up with a defense of the indefensible, the story keeps changing. This goes far beyond partisan politics if true. I’d still like to hear the Commander in Chief say “Vlad if this is true there will be hell to pay” - also crickets.

You can’t yell Benghazi then turn your heads and whistle about this one, unless your support of Trump is blind and with no end.
 

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Anyone that is surprised by Russia's actions clearly has no clue about history. We funded and supplied the Taliban when Russia invaded Afghanistan back in the 80's. It's totally payback for what we did - Russia (and China) are not our friends and will work against us in anyway possible.

The only way we could have "prevented" this would have been to nuke all of Russia - which I suspect wouldn't have worked out all that well.

Benghazi was completely different. We had the opportunity to help the people in Benghazi but the politicians sat on their hands and then tried to blame some idiot on YouTube.

At the end of the day this is just election year fake news.
 

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I find it amazing no one has commented on Russia placing bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan. No outrage on here, or conversely anyone trying to make excuses for the President. Either he knew and did nothing or it was his dereliction of duty not reading his daily briefings (we’ve heard those stories before so not hard to imagine). If he truly wasn’t informed then those responsible for sharing that info with him should be immediately fired. I think no one has commented yet because Trump and the spinmeisters are chasing their asses trying to come up with a defense of the indefensible, the story keeps changing. This goes far beyond partisan politics if true. I’d still like to hear the Commander in Chief say “Vlad if this is true there will be hell to pay” - also crickets.

You can’t yell Benghazi then turn your heads and whistle about this one, unless your support of Trump is blind and with no end.

I thought you were an independent, I am waiting for all of the information to come out. Sounds like you were waiting for a reason to attack before all of the facts come out, like a democrat.
 

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I thought you were an independent, I am waiting for all of the information to come out. Sounds like you were waiting for a reason to attack before all of the facts come out, like a democrat.

No, I wasn’t waiting to attack- I was surprised the issue hadn’t been brought up. Even to say here they go again with another bs attack. The story has been out for days and the message from the White House hasn’t been consistent, that raises questions. I agree that the facts need to come out and hopefully they determine that nothing ever came of it.

But if it is true, I can’t wrap my head around why Trump wants our enemy to be in the G-8. If it’s to help fight terrorism in the Middle East it’s strange to partner with the country paying terrorists to kill our troops.
 

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I find it amazing no one has commented on Russia placing bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan. No outrage on here, or conversely anyone trying to make excuses for the President. Either he knew and did nothing or it was his dereliction of duty not reading his daily briefings (we’ve heard those stories before so not hard to imagine). If he truly wasn’t informed then those responsible for sharing that info with him should be immediately fired. I think no one has commented yet because Trump and the spinmeisters are chasing their asses trying to come up with a defense of the indefensible, the story keeps changing. This goes far beyond partisan politics if true. I’d still like to hear the Commander in Chief say “Vlad if this is true there will be hell to pay” - also crickets.

You can’t yell Benghazi then turn your heads and whistle about this one, unless your support of Trump is blind and with no end.

It would seem Americans are only concerned or aware of what is happening now. The reason no one here is particularly concerned about this Russia hoax is that;
A) we are busy with real events happening now. IE,,; Covid-19 and the Race rioting in our cities.
B) Americans have become skeptical over any news headline with Russia in the title from the left wing press,
C)That the Russians have paid people to kill Americans, just like we paid people to kill Russians in Afghanistan, is hardly shocking news.

The only reason it has entered the news cycle is to imply Trump withheld the info or didn't act, somehow making him appear incompetent or untrustworthy.

Next the MSM will inform us that Trump still had TP in the Whitehouse bathrooms when the rest of us were scouring stores to find a roll.
That is the kind of "news" this is.
 

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To me it's a non-news story and, if true, is a really bad business decision on the part of Russia. Why pay people to do something that they will gladly do for free? Sounds like a waste of money to me, money that Russia doesn't have.

Besides, as someone else said, I don't believe anything in the main street media especially if it starts with or contains "Russia" or "Ukraine" in the headline. After 4 years of "Explosive new revelations that'll bring down Trump's Government" I'm kind of burned out.
 

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Thank you for the replies,
It seemed like an important enough subject that it should be brought up. Perhaps it is just a smear story, we’ll have to wait and see how it all plays out. The intelligence was in the PDB and important enough to be shared with our allies, it seems to me that would be worth a little consideration at the least.
 

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They could come out with solid proof that Trump eats babies for breakfast, and I'd still vote for him.
 

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Both sides are just piles of shit and they just seem to get smellier and bigger every year.
 

m1west

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Thank you for the replies,
It seemed like an important enough subject that it should be brought up. Perhaps it is just a smear story, we’ll have to wait and see how it all plays out. The intelligence was in the PDB and important enough to be shared with our allies, it seems to me that would be worth a little consideration at the least.

Now your thinking, its never good to just react to an obvious hit job attack on anyone or anything until you have researched the subject. How do you feel about our heritage being destroyed and cities that are being taken over by ANTIFA with the blessing of the liberal governors and mayors. I live in Ca. a Mecca of liberal thinking like raising taxes to give to people that are unproductive, on drugs or just plain won't work, filled the old folks homes with COVID patients and it killed more than 1/2 of them. Statistics say that the deaths in the convelesent hospitals are almost half of the deaths in the nation. Why would someone do that? Spending money taken from taxpayers on illegals. Spending billions on trains to nowhere, only to fail waisting all the money.Feel free to correct me if I have written anything in error.
 

Backyardski

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Now your thinking, its never good to just react to an obvious hit job attack on anyone or anything until you have researched the subject. How do you feel about our heritage being destroyed and cities that are being taken over by ANTIFA with the blessing of the liberal governors and mayors. I live in Ca. a Mecca of liberal thinking like raising taxes to give to people that are unproductive, on drugs or just plain won't work, filled the old folks homes with COVID patients and it killed more than 1/2 of them. Statistics say that the deaths in the convelesent hospitals are almost half of the deaths in the nation. Why would someone do that? Spending money taken from taxpayers on illegals. Spending billions on trains to nowhere, only to fail waisting all the money.Feel free to correct me if I have written anything in error.

Yep, all legit problems, I’m sure we could brainstorm hundreds more

I’ve got no issue with confederate statues being removed from public places, just not the way they are doing it- they should be in a civil war museum, not holding a place of honor on our streets. They tried to over throw the US and lost, they aren’t national heroes. Significant US statues should remain as a remembrance of what role they played in the formation of the country, the fight for independence from a monarchy, the formation of a government that represents “all” people - even if they weren’t at that time living by today’s standards. There’s a difference between the two types of monuments. Many Republicans and military leaders are ready to ditch the confederate names from US bases, seems Trump is the only one opposed, which doesn’t make sense because he doesn’t like losers.

There is also a difference between peaceful protest and those that hijack unrest and do the looting, rioting and vandalism. That shit is stupid.. Cops shouldn’t stand on necks until people die and people are allowed to protest. We need good police. They get the real bad guys. The defund cry is stupid and misguided, as is saying BLM is a hate group. On the next road over there is a BLM sign in one yard and We support the police sign in the next. Im guessing there’s a little tension there. Everything has to be either/ or and that’s what I can’t stand about Trumps style. It divides us, everyone is pissed off.

I haven’t read a single article about the Seattle and similar situations, nothing like that going on around here.

Covid handling was a disaster. It’s currently under control here in NY as the state has followed the cdc reopening guidelines. I’m guessing it won’t remain that way with all of the summer vacations happening though. Old folks homes have a concentration of the most at risk group of people, once it’s in there good luck stopping it.

I’m not real familiar with the rail project but if there was ever a need for both jobs and improved infrastructure I’d have to say now would probably be a good time.

Illegal immigration is illegal. There is also a need for migrant farm workers. There are ways to satisfy both sides, they just gotta work together to get the car out of the ditch.

At least most Americans (83% I think I saw in some poll today) can agree on one thing, the country is heading in the wrong direction. It can’t just go hard left or hard right, that doesn’t work for the masses

My thinking on all of this is based on the shit stew of info that is fed to me. I try to dig deep, give all sources a shot but we are all pigeon holed based on our clicks, and we are probably all in the dark as to what the truth really is.
 

Backyardski

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I should add also, i don’t know much about southern culture re significance of the monuments. Happy to hear opposing views
 
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waybomb

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I don't get it. Who the Fuck cares of Russia puts a bounty out. We pay out soldiers a salary. Tell me the difference?
 

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Like it or not the confederacy was part of our history. If that part is erased people will forget it and then later will repeat it!!
Mike
 

Backyardski

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Like it or not the confederacy was part of our history. If that part is erased people will forget it and then later will repeat it!!
Mike

History shouldn’t be erased, I agree there. But, would the people of Germany be cool with Hitler statues and Nazi flags on their streets because that is a part of history too? I’m not comparing the two because they are equivalent, but they are symbolically similar. Even the Liberal Mississippi government recognized the symbol needed to be removed from their state flag because a large percentage of Americans find it offensive. Fly it at your own home if you feel the need but in publicly owned places it’s hard to justify.
Times change, people change slowly. Either we believe in an America for all people or we don’t really believe in the Declaration of Independence or the constitution.

From the National Archives:
Declaration of Independence: A Transcription



Note: The following text is a transcription of the Stone Engraving of the parchment Declaration of Independence (the document on display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum.) The spelling and punctuation reflects the original.

In Congress, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
 

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Hmm, lots of looks but no replies.

I’m not a leftist liberal by any means. I’m not looking to change anyone’s mind or say I’m right your wrong. I’m just trying to understand other perspectives. My point in starting the thread was to see if any of the culture war topics were actually that important, or if it’s just fodder for the base. From the few replies and thumbs up, I’m seeing that it is the latter. Trump supporters support trump. It’s about feelings for a guy not what he stands for. It struck me when I saw a boat that had Trump in large vinyl letter down both sides. Did anyone ever have a Biden boat or car, or Bush or Hillary or any person? Maybe and I just haven’t been in the right place.

I don’t think the guy is doing himself any favors with the divisive all or nothing approach. Yes the die hards are out in full force but it pushes away the moderates and centrists. In my circle of friends I’d estimate approximately half were Trump voters, and half of them regret their vote and won’t be voting for him again. 2016 was a completely different election- Hillary is toxic and it pushed many to Trump. Biden is old but he doesn’t cause as many people to throw up in their mouths like she did. Trump lacks humanity and that is something the country needs when there are things like global pandemics, racial tensions, a bad economy, and on and on. He was all for the armed reopen the state protests even though that is proving to be a colossal mistake but denounces peaceful protest as an angry mob (most BLM protests were peaceful, some angry mob rioter anarchists took advantage of the situation)

I still think reading a Presidential Daily Brief is one of the responsibilities of the job, Vlad is bad, protecting our troops is priority one, the buck stops at the Oval Office, truth brings respect, and Trump keeps shooting himself in the foot. I also think he’d rather burn the place down than go out a loser, that is a bit concerning to me.

I mean no disrespect, just wanted to share my views as a non-supporter, I realize that most (all?) that post on this board are

Mike
 

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I just hope that fence you're straddling isn't barb wire. As for the "peaceful " BLM, I guess you missed the remark made by the head of your state's BLM: "If we don't get what we want we'll burn it down!!". Is he the only one or is this thought by many other BLM members but is unspoken?
Mike
 

Backyardski

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I just hope that fence you're straddling isn't barb wire. As for the "peaceful " BLM, I guess you missed the remark made by the head of your state's BLM: "If we don't get what we want we'll burn it down!!". Is he the only one or is this thought by many other BLM members but is unspoken?
Mike

Didn’t see him. I also wasn’t aware it’s an organized group. I was referring to the community support I’ve seen around this mostly white rural/suburban community. There are a handful of African American children in the same grades as my children and the community as a whole have said their Black Lives Matter. There was a little rioting and looting in Rochester, a largely African American population. At the protest there were black and white and all other races of people saying police brutality against anyone but especially unarmed black men like George Floyd can’t continue. We saw that. It was a murder and people are pissed. Here is one of the guys arrested in Rochester, a white dude from Pennsylvania.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.wh...-protest-extradited-to-rochester-5762886.html

These types are scum. So are the looters and vandals that wreck their own neighborhoods. Fox, Trump etc lump two very different things together which divides and further fans the flames. Stopping peaceful protest is something Putin or communist China does to their people. People in America direct the government not the other way around.
 
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