New book Defending Dixie's Land: What Every American Should Know About The South And The Civil War

[Tiburon]

It is simple. The African slavers wanted only women and children. They didn't want men. Until the time they learned they could sell them they just killed the men. I don't know how many would have been killed and neither do you. The fact remains they were killing all of the men. Those who were sold had a chance of living. Since you know there were lots of men slaves bought by the Americans you could see that the ones who made it through the voyage were alive were saved from certain death. I think the African slavers might have eaten a few, sacrificed a few before killing the left overs.

Seeing as, once again, two million people died on the Middle Passage, the argument that they were “saved” by being ensnared is comical.

Hundreds of thousands of Southern slavers fought and died to try and protect slavery. Your attempts to excuse that are pathetic.

 

[power1]

Sounds like you need to start paying attention then, instead of vomiting up racist nonsense like “slaves couldn’t count past three”.

Where I live there are many who get through twelve years of schooling and still cannot read or write.

 

[power1]

Sounds like you need to start paying attention then, instead of vomiting up racist nonsense like “slaves couldn’t count past three”.

What makes you think I am racist. Really i am a realist. I do not live in some fantasy land.

 

[power1]

Seeing as two million people died during the Middle Passage, your false equivalence is comical.

Another desperate attempt to defend slavery falls flat.

Do you know how many made it safely here? I think you are exaggerating your numbers. Maybe the slaves are not the only people who cannot count.

 

[power1]

Seeing as, once again, two million people died on the Middle Passage, the argument that they were “saved” by being ensnared is comical.

Hundreds of thousands of Southern slavers fought and died to try and protect slavery. Your attempts to excuse that are pathetic.

The people to blame for their ensnarement are their own people. They were already slaves when the Americans bought them. The people who ensnared them were going to kill all of the men. For some reason you seem to forget about that. If the Americans would not have bought them they would have been killed. How many do you think had already been killed before the slavers found out the Americans would buy them. You sure seem not to know much about slavery. How far did you go in school or are you still in grade school?

 

[Tiburon]

Where I live there are many who get through twelve years of schooling and still cannot read or write.

There are many slaves where you live? Really?

🙄

 

[Tiburon]

The people to blame for their ensnarement are their own people. They were already slaves when the Americans bought them. The people who ensnared them were going to kill all of the men. For some reason you seem to forget about that. If the Americans would not have bought them they would have been killed. How many do you think had already been killed before the slavers found out the Americans would buy them. You sure seem not to know much about slavery. How far did you go in school or are you still in grade school?

Nope, the people to blame for the Confederacy’s actions are the Confederates.
Something you seem quite desperate to avoid facing.

Coming from the guy who claimed slaves “couldn’t count” that’s comical.

 

[Tiburon]

Do you know how many made it safely here? I think you are exaggerating your numbers. Maybe the slaves are not the only people who cannot count.

I already provided a source proving my statement. You whining because you don’t like having to face reality doesn’t change it.

Tens of thousands of former slaves joined up with the USCTs....and helped kick the asses of their “masters”, performing well in battle after battle.

 

[Tiburon]

What makes you think I am racist. Really i am a realist. I do not live in some fantasy land.

All the racist drivel about slaves not knowing how to count, the idea that people should be “grateful” for being enslaved, the apologism for the Confederacy....

 

[power1]

There are many slaves where you live? Really?

🙄

I live in Mississippi. From the way you are talking we were sending in oil tankers to haul all of the slaves out of Africa. It must have kept the slavers in Africa busy catching all of those slaves. With the millions you say we brought to America along with the millions you said died on the way we must have been sending oil tankers to pick them up.

You mentioned that we were in an argument. You are going to have to pick up your end up your end up a little. You just keep repeating the same numbers you have been pulling out of your ass.

 

[Melensdad]

JUST A REMINDER, directed to all participants, we are not in the "debate" area of the forums. As such, we do require a reasonable amount of civility in our non-debate areas. So

So as a moderator, I'll just suggest that we have probably exhausted this thread.

Nobody's mind is being changed. We don't want to close the thread, but the back-and-forth bickering and use of very questionable 'facts' should probably just self-extinguish so we moderators don't have to make any harsh choices.

 

[Tech011]

1. Slavery is a complicated issue that has profound inequities and long-lasting effects. Achieving equality and understanding is vital to address the lingering effects of slavery.

 

[Danielart]

JUST A REMINDER, directed to all participants, we are not in the "debate" area of the forums. As such, we do require a reasonable amount of civility in our non-debate areas. So

So as a moderator, I'll just suggest that we have probably exhausted this thread.

Nobody's mind is being changed. We don't want to close the thread, but the back-and-forth bickering and use of very questionable 'facts' should probably just self-extinguish so we moderators don't have to make any harsh choices.

Frankly it is shocking to me that anyone should take a "pro slavery" or sympathetic approach to Slave Owners position.
We all should know out of common decency that it is an egregiously immoral institution.
The facts are that the South fought to preserve it and they fought like Hell to the bitter end.
And yet, despite this undeniable reality, there are sides to take on the issue?
I do not see it as an issue with an alternative narrative that is Just or Moral at all.

 

[power1]

Frankly it is shocking to me that anyone should take a "pro slavery" or sympathetic approach to Slave Owners position.
We all should know out of common decency that it is an egregiously immoral institution.
The facts are that the South fought to preserve it and they fought like Hell to the bitter end.
And yet, despite this undeniable reality, there are sides to take on the issue?
I do not see it as an issue with an alternative narrative that is Just or Moral at all.

Some people are just curious why the people who gathered up and kept slaves were not blamed for anything when they sold the slaves to other people.

 

[Melensdad]

I’m curious why this thread is even going on. As a mod I’m sot stopping it. But slavery is reprehensible. It continues to this day in some parts of the world. It’s unforgivable and not defendable. But it is part of human history. It’s been part of our history for well over 2000 years. Apparently we are still not wise enough to eliminated it. It’s affected virtually every population in every region of the earth. Sadly some people still engage in it

 

[m1west]

I’m curious why this thread is even going on. As a mod I’m sot stopping it. But slavery is reprehensible. It continues to this day in some parts of the world. It’s unforgivable and not defendable. But it is part of human history. It’s been part of our history for well over 2000 years. Apparently we are still not wise enough to eliminated it. It’s affected virtually every population in every region of the earth. Sadly some people still engage in it

The main argument I see going on here is that one side blames the slaveholders only and lays no blame on the African kings capturing and selling there people into slavery, and the other side is upset about that. I see that no-one has condoned slavery only upset that the end user ( drug addict ) is getting the blame over the slave sellers ( drug dealers ). Thats what I see anyway??

 

[Doc]

Seems a vicious circle. Going nowhere. Thread closed.