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Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry

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In the UK, the government has approved an experiment. There is going to be an indoor rave with NO social distancing and NO masks. Partygoers will be tested for the virus on arrival and departure to see if there is any infection.

They did a similar test in Barcelona recently. No transmission. But they only allowed non-infected people into the venue, so it is only logical that the "after" test would also come back negative.
 

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They did a similar test in Barcelona recently. No transmission. But they only allowed non-infected people into the venue, so it is only logical that the "after" test would also come back negative.
Actually, now you mention it, I think the Liverpool test was conducted in a similar way ? Partygoers had to produce a 'negative' test certificate before they could enter ?
 

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Actually, now you mention it, I think the Liverpool test was conducted in a similar way ? Partygoers had to produce a 'negative' test certificate before they could enter ?
No clue about Liverpool

But Barcelona was an actual medical study.

5000 people. All tested negative the day of the event. All tested within 2 weeks after the event. A very small number had positive test results and all but a couple of those could be "traced" to other causes. The 2 or 3 that could not be traced to other causes were presumed to be infected outside of the event.

So basically the study, which seemed pretty stupid, said proven (via test) healthy people don't spread disease.
 

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DeWine just announced that nursing home employees who've been vaccinated, no longer have to be tested for covid.
Whoopie doozie.
That might just be pragmatism ? Even if somebody who is inoculated DOES get re-infected, the standard tests might not detect the infection ?
 

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No clue about Liverpool

But Barcelona was an actual medical study.

5000 people. All tested negative the day of the event. All tested within 2 weeks after the event. A very small number had positive test results and all but a couple of those could be "traced" to other causes. The 2 or 3 that could not be traced to other causes were presumed to be infected outside of the event.

So basically the study, which seemed pretty stupid, said proven (via test) healthy people don't spread disease.
That's actually quite an important result ? It implies - for example - that inoculated people might not spread the disease ?
 

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NEW YORK (WABC) -- The FDA could expand COVID vaccines for 12-to-15-year-olds as early as this week.

Health experts say the agency is expected to authorize Pfizer's drug for that age group any day now.


The decision would allow middle school students and all high school students to get the shots.

Pfizer says clinical trials showed the vaccine was 100% effective for 12-to-15 year-olds.

If authorized, that age group may start receiving the Pfizer vaccine later this month.
 

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That's actually quite an important result ? It implies - for example - that inoculated people might not spread the disease ?
These were NOT necessarily inoculated.

Spain is doing a piss poor job of vaccinating their citizens.

They took a rapid test. Tested negative. Went inside. Partied. Departed. So they were NEGATIVE when they went inside. The test, to my untrained eye, was essentially pointless. It simply showed that, if you want to really increase prices to cover the cost of rapid testing all your potential customers, you can have a concert if they all test negative.
 

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These were NOT necessarily inoculated.

Spain is doing a piss poor job of vaccinating their citizens.

They took a rapid test. Tested negative. Went inside. Partied. Departed. So they were NEGATIVE when they went inside. The test, to my untrained eye, was essentially pointless. It simply showed that, if you want to really increase prices to cover the cost of rapid testing all your potential customers, you can have a concert if they all test negative.
Hmm.. you're right. So what WAS the point of it all ?
 

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More information on Ivermectin

Sadly it pretty much takes a court order from a judge to force hospitals to administer Ivermectin in the US

 

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Quite a few stories coming out regarding Ivermectin.

USA, UK and Canada seem to be shunning this cheap drug, possibly due to political pressure from the drug companies that are making billions on the vaccines?

Still I'm seeing a lot more play on Ivermectin coming from 2nd world nations, some select European nations, South Africa, etc. And now they are citing an American group and its data.

Just one of many articles, all of which are pretty similar: https://health.economictimes.indiat...ctin-use-can-end-pandemic-scientists/82479538

Immediate global ivermectin use can end pandemic: Scientists

The common antiparasitic ivermectin is being touted as a miracle cure for Covid-19 by doctors and campaigners the world over.​

Immediate global ivermectin use can end pandemic: Scientists
Washington: A peer-reviewed research has claimed that global ivermectin use can end Covid-19 pandemic, as the medicine significantly reduces the risk of contracting the deadly respiratory disease when used regularly.​
The common antiparasitic ivermectin is being touted as a miracle cure for Covid-19 by doctors and campaigners the world over.​
Peer reviewed by medical experts that included three US government senior scientists and published in the American Journal of Therapeutics, the research is the most comprehensive review of the available data taken from clinical, in vitro, animal, and real-world studies.​
Led by the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), a group of medical and scientific experts reviewed published peer-reviewed studies, manuscripts, expert meta-analyses, and epidemiological analyses of regions with ivermectin distribution efforts all showing that ivermectin is effective prophylaxis and treatment for Covid-19.​
"We did the work that the medical authorities failed to do, we conducted the most comprehensive review of the available data on ivermectin," said Pierre Kory, MD, president and chief medical officer of the FLCCC.​
"We applied the gold standard to qualify the data reviewed before concluding that ivermectin can end this pandemic."​
A focus of the manuscript was on the 27 controlled trials available in January 2021, 15 of which were randomised controlled trials (RCT's).​
Consistent with numerous meta-analyses of ivermectin RCT's since published by expert panels from the UK, Italy, Spain and Japan, they found large, statistically significant reduction in mortality, time to recovery and viral clearance in Covid-19 patients treated with ivermectin.​
"Our latest research shows, once again, that when the totality of the evidence is examined, there is no doubt that ivermectin is highly effective as a safe prophylaxis and treatment for Covid-19," said Paul E. Marik, founding member of the FLCCC and Chief, Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School.​
Many regions around the world now recognise that ivermectin is a powerful prophylaxis and treatment for Covid-19.
South Africa, Zimbabwe, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Mexico, and India have approved the drug for use by medical professionals.​
The results as seen in this latest study demonstrate that the ivermectin distribution campaigns repeatedly led to "rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality."
"We are calling on regional public health authorities and medical professionals around the world to demand that ivermectin be included in their standard of care right away so we can end this pandemic once and for all," Marik noted.​
 

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And a follow up to above one of the states in India is planning to issue Ivermectin to all its citizens. This could effectively become the largest case study in the world and may be able to prove, or disprove the ability of Ivermectin to control Covid.


Goa To Start Using Drug Shunned By US Regulator For Covid Treatment

While Ivermectin does not prevent infection, it reduces the severity of the illness, Goa Public Health Minister Vishwajit P Rane said today.​

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Goa To Start Using Drug Shunned By US Regulator For Covid Treatment
Goa Public Health Minister Vishwajit Rane said taking Ivermectin must not make one complacent.​
New Delhi:
Goa has given the nod for the use of an anti-parasitic drug as preventive treatment for all adults against COVID-19. The drug, Ivermectin, has been disapproved of by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). While it does not prevent infection, it reduces the severity of the illness, Goa Public Health Minister Vishwajit P Rane said today.​
The treatment will be for those above 18 years of age, the minister said in a Facebook post.​
"In this, patients will be treated with Ivermectin 12mg for a period of five days. Expert panels from the UK, Italy, Spain and Japan, found a large, statistically significant reduction in mortality, time to recovery, and viral clearance in COVID-19 patients treated with Ivermectin," Mr Rane said in his post.​
"At the same time one should not have a false sense of security and complacency but strictly take all the precautionary measures and follow laid SOPs," he said.​
The tablet will be made available at all district, sub-district, public health care centres, and other facilities, so that people begin treatment immediately, irrespective of any symptoms or anything, the minister said.​
Goa on Monday recorded 2,804 new cases of coronavirus, taking its overall figure to 1,21,650, while 50 more fatalities pushed the total number of Covid-related deaths in the state to 1,729, PTI reported.​
Ivermectin is approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms but is not an anti-viral, according to the US FDA which has said that when taken in large doses, it is dangerous and can cause serious harm.​
"Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms. In addition, some topical (on the skin) forms of ivermectin are approved to treat external parasites like head lice and for skin conditions such as rosacea," the FDA has said.​
 

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Quite a few stories coming out regarding Ivermectin.

USA, UK and Canada seem to be shunning this cheap drug, possibly due to political pressure from the drug companies that are making billions on the vaccines?

Still I'm seeing a lot more play on Ivermectin coming from 2nd world nations, some select European nations, South Africa, etc. And now they are citing an American group and its data.

Just one of many articles, all of which are pretty similar: https://health.economictimes.indiat...ctin-use-can-end-pandemic-scientists/82479538

Immediate global ivermectin use can end pandemic: Scientists

The common antiparasitic ivermectin is being touted as a miracle cure for Covid-19 by doctors and campaigners the world over.​

Immediate global ivermectin use can end pandemic: Scientists
Washington: A peer-reviewed research has claimed that global ivermectin use can end Covid-19 pandemic, as the medicine significantly reduces the risk of contracting the deadly respiratory disease when used regularly.​
The common antiparasitic ivermectin is being touted as a miracle cure for Covid-19 by doctors and campaigners the world over.​
Peer reviewed by medical experts that included three US government senior scientists and published in the American Journal of Therapeutics, the research is the most comprehensive review of the available data taken from clinical, in vitro, animal, and real-world studies.​
Led by the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC), a group of medical and scientific experts reviewed published peer-reviewed studies, manuscripts, expert meta-analyses, and epidemiological analyses of regions with ivermectin distribution efforts all showing that ivermectin is effective prophylaxis and treatment for Covid-19.​
"We did the work that the medical authorities failed to do, we conducted the most comprehensive review of the available data on ivermectin," said Pierre Kory, MD, president and chief medical officer of the FLCCC.​
"We applied the gold standard to qualify the data reviewed before concluding that ivermectin can end this pandemic."​
A focus of the manuscript was on the 27 controlled trials available in January 2021, 15 of which were randomised controlled trials (RCT's).​
Consistent with numerous meta-analyses of ivermectin RCT's since published by expert panels from the UK, Italy, Spain and Japan, they found large, statistically significant reduction in mortality, time to recovery and viral clearance in Covid-19 patients treated with ivermectin.​
"Our latest research shows, once again, that when the totality of the evidence is examined, there is no doubt that ivermectin is highly effective as a safe prophylaxis and treatment for Covid-19," said Paul E. Marik, founding member of the FLCCC and Chief, Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School.​
Many regions around the world now recognise that ivermectin is a powerful prophylaxis and treatment for Covid-19.
South Africa, Zimbabwe, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Mexico, and India have approved the drug for use by medical professionals.​
The results as seen in this latest study demonstrate that the ivermectin distribution campaigns repeatedly led to "rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality."
"We are calling on regional public health authorities and medical professionals around the world to demand that ivermectin be included in their standard of care right away so we can end this pandemic once and for all," Marik noted.​
It looks like the empirical evidence confirming ivermectin efficacy is growing. https://journals.lww.com/americanth...he_emerging_evidence_demonstrating_the.4.aspx
 

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Hmm.. is this hydroxychloroquine all over again ?

The UK British Medical Journal is sceptical. https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n747
No. HCQ was tried, tested and found to be mostly hype. It was found to HELP patients if treated early in low doses, it would found to be FATAL if used later in the stage of the disease and in higher doses. Generally it was found to be, overall, ineffective.

Ivermectin seems to be actually working, and meta data is showing it works. It is also a dirt cheap generic that removes the profit motive. Thus opposed by the drug companies that stand to make tens of billions of dollars on vaccines and boosters.

But if you don't believe use, just scroll through this thread, there is actual evidence posted.




And now India is going to be using Ivermectin, not just use it, but actually dispense it widely.


There is a growing list of nations that, due to long wait times to get sufficient vaccines, are turning to Ivermectin.

FWIW, Dr John Campbell is a Phd and teaches nursing in the UK, he has authored several books, and has been running daily Covid updates for over a year.
 

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And something we all knew. Well everyone who didn’t live in Chicago, NYC and other liberal cities that required (some still require) masks outside.




CDC grossly exaggerating outdoor transmission rate: COVID-19 experts​

By Kate Sheehy
The CDC is greatly exaggerating the risk of COVID-19 transmission outdoors, claiming there is a roughly 10 percent chance — when in reality the figure is less than 1 percent, a report said Tuesday.

The higher federal figure “seems to be a huge exaggeration,” Dr. Muge Cevik, a top infectious disease doctor at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, told the New York Times.

Dr. Aaron Richterman of the University of Pennsylvania added, “I’m sure it’s possible for transmission to occur outdoors in the right circumstances.

“But if we had to put a number on it, I would say much less than 1 percent.”

“Saying that less than 10 percent of Covid transmission occurs outdoors is akin to saying that sharks attack fewer than 20,000 swimmers a year. (The actual worldwide number is around 150.) It’s both true and deceiving,” The Times wrote.
 

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I've seen this reported on a few different websites today.



CDC recommends fully vaccinated people no longer have to wear mask indoors or outdoors

The mask recommends come with few exceptions including in hospitals, planes and prisons.​

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced Thursday that fully vaccinated people no longer have to wear a COVID mask indoors or outdoors, with a few exceptions.

The changes comes after roughly a year of people in the U.S. – and around the world – wearing a mask to prevent the spread of the virus, which has killed over 3.3 million people worldwide since first detected and reported out of China in late-2019, early-2020.

The CDC changes comes amid a worldwide vaccination program in which roughly 35 percent of the U.S. population has been fully vaccinated.

"Anyone who is fully vaccinated can participate in indoor and outdoor activities, no mater how large or small, without a mask," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said in announcing the changes. "This an exciting and powerful moment."

The agency said in announcing the changes that 250 million Americans have now been vaccinated.

The exceptions will be in such places as hospitals, planes and prisons.
 

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News from Mexico. Seems to match what we are hearing from India.

Both are using Ivermectin to treat Covid.



Use of Ivermectin reduced the probability of severe symptoms and hospitalizations in CDMX by up to 76%

By Sara Pantoja

MEXICO CITY (apro).- The use of Ivermectin in people with covid-19 who took treatment at home reduced by up to 76% the probability of having severe symptoms and going to the hospital, according to the analysis of public policy applied by the government of Mexico City since the end of December 2020.

The Secretary of Health, Oliva López, explained that during the study no negative effects were detected on the health of patients and that the medicine will continue to be delivered to people who go to macro kiosks and health centers to be tested quickly and its results are positive. He also called on the capital's not to self-medicate, since this medicine must be consumed under medical supervision.

In videoconference, José Antonio Peña Merino, general director of the Digital Agency for Public Innovation (ADIP), explained that in the research 220,000 observations were made among people who tested positive for covid-19 and received the health kit with Ivermectin 6mg, in addition to acetylsalicylic acid 100mg, and those who did not receive it, but had similar health characteristics and comorbidities.

He detailed that the "quasi-experimental" analysis was made from administrative data of hospitalizations and monitoring by Locatel, comparing recipients of the medical kit against non-recipients.

"The main result is that the range of the effect of the medical kit with ivermectin is a reduction of between 52% and 76% in the probability of being hospitalized, compared to identical people (symptoms, age, sex, comorbidities) without a kit, significant to 99%," he said.

Peña Merino commented that the highest percentage is related to infected people who had the follow-up with doctors from the Locatel service, who made constant calls to see the development of the symptoms. That element, he added, had an additional effect, since it represented a 30% lower probability of being hospitalized.

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"Here the really important thing is to validate that the public policy that Mexico City implemented massively, in this case the medical kit, was an important factor in reducing hospital admissions and, of course, possible deaths," he added.

Secretary Oliva López added that no side effects were identified in the use of that medicine, adding: "What we do identify quite forcefully is the reduction in terms of probability of being hospitalized, that is, of developing a serious condition. That's the most important effect."

The official added that it is already a "standardized, massive" treatment in Mexico City where more than 135,000 medical kits have been delivered. Then, he reiterated: "We see and it is proven with this research that it has a positive effect to reduce the risk of serious covid-19 disease."
 

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Ivermectin was prescribed in 3 states in India and now that is being stopped. Why? Is it ineffective or is it political pressure from WHO?
 

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Just an update on India, I have close ties to India and I'm hearing that they are backing down from issuing Ivermectin.

Also, the most recent news story I can find from Goa, which is where I have most insight, is that they have not actually given out any doses yet but they plan to being within the next 48 hours.

So this is becoming more interesting to watch as we may see something happen that is political? Or we may see India turn into a giant medical experiment that proves the vaccine crowd is too focused on vaccinations and not focused enough on TREATMENT. I personally favor both approaches. In any case, here is a published news source from India saying that they actually have not begun distribution of Ivermectin yet but will be doing it very soon. I hope it works very well for them.


Article is dated May 18, quote in the article is from May 17, realize that India is approximately 12 hours ahead of much of our membership here. So theoretically they could be distributing this as I type.

The Goa government will start the distribution of Ivermectin tablets as a preventive treatment against COVID-19 in the next 48 hours, state Health Minister Vishwajit Rane said on Monday.
The state government had last week announced Ivermectin, an orally administered drug used to treat parasitic infections, will be given to all adults irrespective of their coronavirus status as a preventive treatment.
"We shall be distributing Ivermectin tablets in the state of Goa in the next 48 hours in association with our WCD (Women and Child Development) department and Anganwadi workers. Our Anganwadi workers will be distributing the same in households," Rane said in a tweet.
 
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