Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry

FrancSevin

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As Trump would say, this is fake news

The NHS traced all those deaths, there are a handful that might be attributed the the vaccine. The other 99.9% had nothing to do with vaccinations.
I'm just suggesting that the NNHS and WHO and our own government manipulated the data from the beginning. To cast doubt on a site source as a defense is not an argument. And, it certainly isn't an answer to the question asked.

There is crap on both sides. I don't censor, I post. Frankly, given last year's reporting, I don't find the NHS itself to be all that credible. I posted it for comment.

Your answer is credible and respectful. Thanks
 
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Texas Hospital has the Lambda variant. It is nothing to worry about.


Lambda Variant Confirmed In COVID-19 Patient In Texas Hospital

Authored by Tom Ozimek via The Epoch Times,

A Texas hospital has reported its first case of the Lambda variant of the pathogenthat causes COVID-19, according to multiple media outlets.



As of Monday morning, at least one patient at Houston Methodist Hospital was confirmed to be infected with the Lambda variant, according to a hospital spokesperson, as reported by KHOU11.

Houston Methodist Hospital CEO Marc Bloom wrote in an email to staff, obtained by the Houston Chronicle, that as of Monday, the hospital was treating 184 COVID-19 patients, with around 85 percent of them infected with the Delta variant.

The Lambda variant, dubbed C.37, was first identified in Peru last year before spreading to multiple countries in South America. It has been deemed a “variant of interest” by the World Health Organization (WHO), which in a recent report (pdf) indicated that 81 percent of COVID-19 cases sequenced in Peru since April 2021 are associated with Lambda.

In the United States, the Lambda variant has so far infected fewer than 700 people, and some experts believe it poses less of a threat than the Delta variant, about which U.S. health officials have been sounding the alarm. . . .

Commenting on the Lambda variant, S. Wesley Long, medical director of diagnostic microbiology at Houston Methodist, told The Washington Post that Lambda “is not anywhere near as concerning as the Delta variant,” which he said is “the engine that’s going to be driving the surge in the U.S.” . . .

So far, no CCP virus mutations have received the “variant of high consequence” designation, which is reserved for those that show clear evidence that medical countermeasures have significantly reduced effectiveness compared to previously circulating variants.
 

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The real question here is about the mandate to have the shot. There are many reasons not to take the COVID vaccine. Some are sill some are quite valid.

I have two reasons. And would be happy to debate them
One) I usually take a flu shot when I can schedule a time to be sick. Because I always react to them poorly.

Two) I have a moral reason that includes the use of "T" cells from aborted babies to generate the original vaccine. My survival will not be made as a result of the sacrifice of an unborn.

Besides, I had the virus in February of 2020.

I wash hands, face and body regularly
Don't smoke
Eat only healthy foods.

Fortunately, at 74 My cells are the age of a man in his 50's

Unfortunately, my looks don't.

BTW,,,;One more to add,,,; MY BODY, MY CHOICE!
 

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Two) I have a moral reason that includes the use of "T" cells from aborted babies to generate the original vaccine. My survival will not be made as a result of the sacrifice of an unborn.
FWIW the Moderna and the Pfizer mRNA vaccines are reported by multiple reputable sources to not contain any components from any of abortive tissue nor were they used in the development of those vaccines.

When it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines currently approved for emergency use, neither the Pfizer nor Moderna vaccines used fetal cell lines during the development or production phases. (So, no fetal cell lines were used to manufacture the vaccine, and they are not inside the injection you receive from your doctor.)

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine did use fetal cells in the development of their vaccine. It should be noted they are not a component in the vaccine.

And for Catholics, like myself, the Vatican has issued a statement saying that, in absence of an alternative it would be OK to use a vaccine derived from fetal tissue. So only if you can't get the Moderna or Pfizer, then you can get the J&J.
 

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FWIW the Moderna and the Pfizer mRNA vaccines are reported by multiple reputable sources to not contain any components from any of abortive tissue nor were they used in the development of those vaccines.

When it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines currently approved for emergency use, neither the Pfizer nor Moderna vaccines used fetal cell lines during the development or production phases. (So, no fetal cell lines were used to manufacture the vaccine, and they are not inside the injection you receive from your doctor.)

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine did use fetal cells in the development of their vaccine. It should be noted they are not a component in the vaccine.

And for Catholics, like myself, the Vatican has issued a statement saying that, in absence of an alternative it would be OK to use a vaccine derived from fetal tissue. So only if you can't get the Moderna or Pfizer, then you can get the J&J.
I'll have to find it but, there has been a recent court case settled in favor of the Plaintiff who was denied attendance at a Ivy League university. She won on the religious ground of which I spoke. Specific to your point, no distinction was made as to which vaccine was non fetal derived.

I do not resist on basis of religion but humanity. IMHO it is inhuman to kill a fetus. Period.
Again my, body my choice.

Right now the big pharma's are allowed to use the general public as a test lab for their product without liability. I understand, despite the danger, of the urgency of need here. But I refuse to be forced by my government to participate. I do not disparage anyone who finds it acceptable to be a Guinea pig but I do resist, with absolute certainty, the compromise of my right to refuse the vaccine.

It's like the pistol I carry on my hip. If the store owner doesn't want it in his shop, I respect that. Assuming, of course, that I am not required to enter. So I don't insist, and either remove the weapon, or take business elsewhere. It's called "Freedom."

As for the Catholic church, and their stand on abortion, screw the Pope's message.
 
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The Pfizer and the Moderna are NOT derived from fetal tissue.
IF and a big if, that was the only reasoning, I would have to concede the argument. I believe I gave others any of which should be sufficient case to deny taking the vaccine. If they are not sufficient, sorry. I still stand on them.

I did modify my post to include my opinion of the new POPE. Again I'm not standing on any religious ground. The Church is constructed by man and can be as corrupted as any person, government, or cult.

Here's the thing,,,;
At one time, I pledged to give my life to save others. My choice, my decision. The fetal matter of which you speak, was not offered that choice.

It takes a bit of digging but the CDC has been unclear on this. And making assumption from current headlines is dangerous. All of the major Pharma companies use derivatives from fetal cells. It is aborted fetal cells that bother me.

 
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I only was pointing out the one fact.

That being that the Pfizer/Moderna vaccines did not use fetal tissue for their development.

I have a long history of supporting choice in vaccinations, and allowing people to choose to get one or not.
 

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Huh? So it’s not the Pro-Trumpers and Bible thumpers after all. Who knew? Well I did, because I study facts. Posted them earlier in this tread for all to read. But the media and the politicians keep blaming the bitter clingers because it fits their narrative.

CNN had to bury this pretty deep in the story, far past after most people stop reading, but they admit the truth.



Vaccinations are the strongest tool to fight the virus, he said, but rates are still too low and "with many communities -- particularly communities of color -- at risk for yet another devastating wave of cases, hospitalizations and deaths, masks are the next best tool that officials have in places where vaccination levels remain low despite covid cases rapidly rising."
 

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While I am vaccinated, and happily so, I do find the following information pretty bizarre.

56% of Democrats want children to have mandatory vaccinations for Covid when it has a mortality rate, in percentage terms, of 0.000002%


Via BBC:

“Researchers estimate that 25 deaths in a population of some 12 million children in England gives a broad, overall mortality rate of 2 per million children.”
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Despite Statistics, Majority of Democrats Support Mandatory Vaccinations For Schools​

Despite the above-cited statistics, 56% of big-D Democrats supported mandating vaccines for schoolchildren in a July 2021 poll.
 

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Huh? So it’s not the Pro-Trumpers and Bible thumpers after all. Who knew? Well I did, because I study facts. Posted them earlier in this tread for all to read. But the media and the politicians keep blaming the bitter clingers because it fits their narrative.

CNN had to bury this pretty deep in the story, far past after most people stop reading, but they admit the truth.



Vaccinations are the strongest tool to fight the virus, he said, but rates are still too low and "with many communities -- particularly communities of color -- at risk for yet another devastating wave of cases, hospitalizations and deaths, masks are the next best tool that officials have in places where vaccination levels remain low despite covid cases rapidly rising."
I don't know how the media gets away with this. :Logic dictates the opposite. After all, the vaccines are here as a result of President Trump. Not Joe Biden.
 

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I watched my favorite Dr. Ed chat session. He's an infectious disease doctor in a large hospital in Dallas. He was talking about people who are hesitant to get the vaccine. He said, and this is just in my own words, that the majority of his patients who have refused to take the vaccine are saying that they're not being influenced by either social media or politics. Their hesitancy is based on the fact that the vaccines are emergency use only and not fully approved by the FDA. He seemed to think that once the FDA gave full approval to one or both, pfizer or moderna, that would help more people to agree to vaccination.


"However, Pfizer and BioNTech as well as Moderna have already submitted applications for full approval of their vaccines — officially known as a Biologic License Application (BLA) — to the FDA on May 7, 2021, and June 1, 2021, respectively."

"That means the FDA would decide on full approval of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine by January 2022 and February 2022 for the Moderna vaccine."

“The FDA has already reviewed the initial clinical trials data from both companies and the manufacturing aspects to grant the EUAs,” said Tice, so full approval of these vaccines might happen in less than 6 months."
 

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Low risk talk show host, unvaccinated, changes his mind about getting vaccinated after he ends up in the hospital with Covid.

The problem with this disease, if you are high risk, you get it, you will probably get pretty sick. But if you are LOW RISK, you get it, you will probably have the sniffles for a week (95+%). Unless you get it bad, then you are screwed. Seems the Delta variant, while apparently not quite as severe, is simply infecting so many people, including many younger people, that cases are going up in the low risk groups and SOME of them are going to end up in very serious shape.

A conservative talk-show host who said 'you're probably safer not getting' the vaccine is now seriously ill with COVID-19, and his family is asking people to 'PLEASE GO GET VACCINATED!'

Fri, July 23, 2021, 11:06 AM
COVID-19 vaccine vials next to a syringe.
The conservative radio talk-show host Phil Valentine is hospitalized in serious condition with COVID-19, his family said. A. Martin UW Photography/Getty Images
  • Phil Valentine, a conservative radio talk-show host, is hospitalized with COVID-19, his family said.
  • Valentine had said people were "probably safer not getting" the vaccine if they weren't at high risk.
  • His family said he now "regrets" not being more "pro-vaccine."
A conservative radio talk-show host who had told followers that they were "probably safer not getting" the COVID-19 vaccine if they weren't at high risk is now hospitalized in serious condition with the coronavirus, his family said.
Phil Valentine, who hosts "The Phil Valentine Show" on WWTN-FM in Nashville, Tennessee, contracted COVID-19 more than a week ago and "has since been hospitalized & is in very serious condition," his family said in a statement on Thursday.
Valentine, 61, is "suffering from COVID pneumonia and the attendant side effects," the statement said, adding, "He is in the hospital in the critical care unit breathing with assistance but is NOT on a ventilator."
Now that he's become ill with the coronavirus, he has "regrets" about his comments about the vaccines, his family said.
"Phil would like for his listeners to know that while he has never been an 'anti-vaxer' he regrets not being more vehemently 'Pro-Vaccine', and looks forward to being able to more vigorously advocate that position as soon as he is back on the air, which we all hope will be soon," the family said.
In a post on his blog on December 17, Valentine gave his views on the COVID-19 vaccines.
"I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm just using common sense. What are my odds of getting COVID? They're pretty low. What are my odds of dying from COVID if I do get it? Probably way less than one percent," he wrote.
Valentine continued: "If you have underlying health issues you probably need to get the vaccine. If you're not at high risk of dying from COVID then you're probably safer not getting it. That evokes shrieks of horror from many, but it's true."
He added, "If I decide not to get vaccinated, I'm not putting anyone else's life in danger except perhaps people who have made the same decision."
Public-health experts have urged people to get vaccinated, saying the vaccines authorized for emergency use in the US are safe and effective at preventing serious illness and the spread of the disease.
Still, swaths of the country remain unvaccinated as misinformation about the vaccines' safety spreads.
Valentine posted on Facebook on July 11 that he had COVID-19.
"Unfortunately for the haters out there, it looks like I'm going to make it," he wrote. "Interesting experience. I'll have to fill you in when I come back on the air. I'm hoping that will be tomorrow, but I may take a day off just as a precaution. It'll be a game time decision."
On July 15, he shared doubts about the vaccine while posting a story about cancer-causing chemicals found in Johnson & Johnson sunscreens.
"Ah, but I'm sure their vaccine is perfectly safe," Valentine wrote. "Don't worry about it."
He has not posted since.
Valentine's family closed their statement by saying, "Please continue to pray for his recovery and PLEASE GO GET VACCINATED!"
 
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Go to about 2:30 on the video. I don't get why some people want to remain anonymous when getting the vaccine. This video sounds like another case of...wish I would have.
 

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Couple interesting things to report.

1 - Out of Israel, it appears that the Pfizer vaccine if given 3-4 weeks between doses has LOWER immunity than if it is given 8 to 12 weeks apart. I didn't hear if that same fact applies to the AstraZenica or the Moderna vaccines.

2 - Also, out of the same data set, it appears that the people vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine in January have LOWER immunity against the Delta variant if they were vaccinated in January. If they were vaccinated in February they have slightly more immunity against Delta. If they were vaccinated in March they have slightly more immunity against Delta . . . etc. So more recently vaccinated have more immunity against Delta than early vaccinated people. This data only is known to apply to Pfizer. We simply don't have the data about Moderna because Israel used the Pfizer vaccine.

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Also, and this probably should not be a surprise to anyone, but the Chinese Sinovac is just a crap. At best it probably had something like a 55% efficacy rate. But now there is a study that shows the Sinovac is only good for about 6 months. I believe EastTxFrank's son got the Sinovac while working in the middleast?

Full story at the link --> https://news.yahoo.com/antibodies-sinovacs-covid-19-shot-142748493.html

Antibodies from Sinovac's COVID-19 shot fade after about 6 months, booster helps - study


BEIJING (Reuters) - Antibodies triggered by Sinovac Biotech's COVID-19 vaccine decline below a key threshold from around six months after a second dose for most recipients, although a third shot could have a strong boosting effect, according to a lab study.
Chinese researchers reported the findings from a study of blood samples from healthy adults aged between 18-59 in a paper published on Sunday, which has not been peer reviewed.
For participants receiving two doses, two or four weeks apart, only 16.9% and 35.2% respectively still had a level of neutralising antibodies above the threshold six months after the second dose, the paper said.
Those readings was based on data from two cohorts involving more than 50 participants each, while the study gave third doses to a total of 540 participants.
When participants in some cohorts were given a third dose, about six months after the second, neutralising antibody levels after a further 28 days had increased around 3-5 fold from the levels seen four weeks after the second dose, the study showed. . .




Go to about 2:30 on the video. I don't get why some people want to remain anonymous when getting the vaccine. This video sounds like another case of...wish I would have.
Some people believe there is a stigma related to the disease. I have several students in a minority community and one of the family had several family members catch Covid. The family shared the information with me but swore me to secrecy for the safety of their child (my student). Apparently the stigma runs pretty deep with some folks. I don't know why. I know several others who had it, recovered, and never really cared about people knowing or not knowing. So maybe it is a cultural or sub-cultural thing?
 

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I believe EastTxFrank's son got the Sinovac while working in the middleast?
No Bob but he was scheduled to get the Sinovac vaccine. I think that Dubai was using Sinovac because, at that time, it was all that they could get. Unfortunately, the big lug caught Covid-19 in what was supposed to be one of the safest places in the world at that time. By the time that he finished his 2 weeks quarantine he was not allowed to take a vaccine shot for 3 months and by that time Dubai was administering the Pfizer shots.
 

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I've been hearing more and more about break through cases. I'd be interested in reading about which vaccine is more susceptible to break through cases. That info may be impossible to obtain and just not out there, but I'd sure like to see percentages compared by vaccine brands.
 

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The thing about being American is we get to make choices. Sometime we make bad ones. But why does that give our government, or any particular political party, any foundation for telling us what we MUST do? A government that tells us what we must do is not one of a free people. So they say, the choice is either we are free or we are safe? Bull feathers.

We are free to make bad decisions. and no government should be held to task for not preventing our stupidity.
 
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