Camso / Soucy comparion

alryA

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I'm sure you guys don't know that I have many, many years of experience using Camso and Soucy pods on both UTV's and ATV's. All these hours of use and servicing them, gave me opinions of there respective quality. If some of you guys have interest in these pods*, feel free to have a conversation about them here. Maybe questions??


*the individual units are called pods.
 

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m1west

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perfect timing, Hi there I am currently installing set of Camso 4S UTV tracks on a Suzuki mini truck. It is posted in the ATV, UTV section. Any information regarding DO's and DONT's plus maintenance tips, set up and operation would be greatly appreciated. Marty
 

redsqwrl

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in thirty words or less, are the assemblies i see for sale cheap at swap meets ( haydays , Iola , carlisle ect ) because the micro wear on each element of the assembly compounds to make them not track straight.
(mechanical)

I get the impression from the seller(s) that they put them on with a vision of conquering the offroad world, then find out that the PSI is pretty low, this is doubled by the leading edges digging downward...
( application )

I like the idea of pod tracks, but they are heavy on the tractor sized scale and I never see them on a UTV longer than 4-6 years. The mountain bike club strugggles in the park and are considering Pods, I told them with out lockers they would only be a marginal improvement over a large oversized balloon type aired down tires. am i off my mark?
 

alryA

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Marty, Sorry to say that I'm not a fan of Camso pods after years and years of use. Problem is they make idlers with inexpensive bearings molded right into them. Then they press them onto the pod frame idler studs so you need to buy a special tool to pull them. Real pain in the butt! Camso also says you should spray the bearings with grease since the bearing seals are so poor. Idlers are in the $30+ range of cost. I've meet the Casmo rep at shows and asked if they had switched to better bearings and "no" was his response. Sorry that I don't know of any maintenance one can do and make them last longer. The bearings are poor and of cosure have poor seals.

Sorry to be the bearer of the news. Soucy makes them so they can be serviced and that why our pods are made by them..

perfect timing, Hi there I am currently installing set of Camso 4S UTV tracks on a Suzuki mini truck. It is posted in the ATV, UTV section. Any information regarding DO's and DONT's plus maintenance tips, set up and operation would be greatly appreciated. Marty
 

alryA

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Quality pods on a powerful atv is what I'd recommend to folks who do XC trails. I've become a fan of Can-am and Soucy made products. Having used the latest, greatest SWT Skandic, I can't recommend them either.

in thirty words or less, are the assemblies i see for sale cheap at swap meets ( haydays , Iola , carlisle ect ) because the micro wear on each element of the assembly compounds to make them not track straight.
(mechanical)

I get the impression from the seller(s) that they put them on with a vision of conquering the offroad world, then find out that the PSI is pretty low, this is doubled by the leading edges digging downward...
( application )

I like the idea of pod tracks, but they are heavy on the tractor sized scale and I never see them on a UTV longer than 4-6 years. The mountain bike club strugggles in the park and are considering Pods, I told them with out lockers they would only be a marginal improvement over a large oversized balloon type aired down tires. am i off my mark?
 

m1west

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Marty, Sorry to say that I'm not a fan of Camso pods after years and years of use. Problem is they make idlers with inexpensive bearings molded right into them. Then they press them onto the pod frame idler studs so you need to buy a special tool to pull them. Real pain in the butt! Camso also says you should spray the bearings with grease since the bearing seals are so poor. Idlers are in the $30+ range of cost. I've meet the Casmo rep at shows and asked if they had switched to better bearings and "no" was his response. Sorry that I don't know of any maintenance one can do and make them last longer. The bearings are poor and of cosure have poor seals.

Sorry to be the bearer of the news. Soucy makes them so they can be serviced and that why our pods are made by them..

That being said I already have the Tracks and plan to run the a couple hundred miles a year in the winter then put 26" UTV tires in the non snow months. On average how many miles do you think the Camso tracks will go before requiring a lot of parts. Marty
 

alryA

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We ran them about 900 hours per season and in there 3rd year, they started to loose idlers. Despite what any manufacturer claims, you can't practically operate them in the summer.

That being said I already have the Tracks and plan to run the a couple hundred miles a year in the winter then put 26" UTV tires in the non snow months. On average how many miles do you think the Camso tracks will go before requiring a lot of parts. Marty
 

m1west

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So the will go about 2700 hours at 5 mph thats 13500 miles. at the 150-200 miles I will put on them per year for cabin access they will last the rest of my life. That number is in line with other research that I have done. Are there any tricks on set up like setting from track angle etc. Thanks Marty
 

alryA

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5mph is unrealistically slow. How long could you run that truck at that speed?? We operated machines in the 12 to 16 range.


You can get the manuals online at Camso.


So the will go about 2700 hours at 5 mph thats 13500 miles. at the 150-200 miles I will put on them per year for cabin access they will last the rest of my life. That number is in line with other research that I have done. Are there any tricks on set up like setting from track angle etc. Thanks Marty
 

redsqwrl

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is it safe to say the wear is a sliding scale.

first year 5%

second year 15%

third year 45% wear due to the mis alignment of the previous years wear?

I guess a more direct ask, if you would have taken the time to change idlers in year two ahead of the failures would the pod survive longer?

I just see rust forming in the shed during summer and then speeding the wear up after year 3?
 

m1west

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5mph is unrealistically slow. How long could you run that truck at that speed?? We operated machines in the 12 to 16 range.


You can get the manuals online at Camso.

I will have the wife a dog and a bed full of stuff I don't want to lose. The Tucker that I have does about 5-6 mph without tearing it up. The road up to the cabin is normally 5'-10' of wet heavy snow that crusts over at night. This year I got a curve ball, 2 weeks ago I drove up there ( 4.5 ) hours to find that it had been and was raining with 40 degree temps. the snow melted 1/2 way up the mountain within a couple miles of the cabin. I have a lifted truck with 35" tires and lockers and we couldn't make it when we got to a steep hill in about 2 feet of snow. The steel track tucker couldn't drive the forest road with mud and rocks so I got turned around. I already had the mini truck and came across a new set of Camso 4s UTV tracks that were never used and made a trade for them. I may be able to go faster than the 5 mph I am used to that will just be a plus The Suzuki mini truck weighs 1400# has 66 hp. with 4 hi 4 lo and lockers in lo and 2nd gear you could run 5-6 mph all day. After I prove it out I am hoping to replace the Tucker with it. Marty
 

m1west

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What do you have for antirotation mounts?

The anti rotation are round bars, the front one attaches to the lower A-arm and has adjustment with a nut and spring for adjustment. The rear is a bar with the same nut and spring that attaches to the rear end. P.S. I grew up in Michigan but a bit further south than you. Marty
 

alryA

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do you have anti-rotation mounting kits? The 1st photo shows the mount kit. The 2nd shows it installed. The anti-rotation parts need something to be anchored to.


The anti rotation are round bars, the front one attaches to the lower A-arm and has adjustment with a nut and spring for adjustment. The rear is a bar with the same nut and spring that attaches to the rear end. P.S. I grew up in Michigan but a bit further south than you. Marty
 

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m1west

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do you have anti-rotation mounting kits? The 1st photo shows the mount kit. The 2nd shows it installed. The anti-rotation parts need something to be anchored to.

Yes very similar to that, I will probably have to modify a little to fit the A arm on the mini truck. I can take a picture tomorrow of the anti rotation set up that came with the tracks and post it. I have wheel adapters ordered to fit the truck to the tracks and a lift kit. It should show up in about a week. Getting everything bolted on shouldn't be a problem. Set up is where I will need help.
 

m1west

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I was thinking the travel limiters should be set to travel as far as they can without rubbing. Does that sound right? Marty
 

m1west

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5mph is unrealistically slow. How long could you run that truck at that speed?? We operated machines in the 12 to 16 range.


You can get the manuals online at Camso.

Thanks I found an online manual that does have initial set up dimensions and adjustments. Marty
 

Blackfoot Tucker

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A number of years ago I purchased a used Polaris Ranger with Duratracks, which were perhaps the most expensive of the different track options at the time. I bought the machine, which was very highly optioned, at a very reasonable price.

Scott and I took it to the same location we usually test Tuckers. The performance was VERY underwhelming. On a packed trail it was okay, but if you ventured off the trail it sort-of chewed it's way through the snow.

I never used it again and sold the machine. Yes, it was THAT disappointing.
 

alryA

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The anti-rotation limiters have soft stops going in both directions. One way you are against rubber donuts while the other is a steel spring. Least that's how most are. Do post photos when you can.

I was thinking the travel limiters should be set to travel as far as they can without rubbing. Does that sound right? Marty
 
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m1west

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A number of years ago I purchased a used Polaris Ranger with Duratracks, which were perhaps the most expensive of the different track options at the time. I bought the machine, which was very highly optioned, at a very reasonable price.

Scott and I took it to the same location we usually test Tuckers. The performance was VERY underwhelming. On a packed trail it was okay, but if you ventured off the trail it sort-of chewed it's way through the snow.

I never used it again and sold the machine. Yes, it was THAT disappointing.

The psi is .62 dry and .83 for the truck loaded with 2 people and equipment. Thats comparable to the Tucker . What did your front tracks look like? I see some that do not have a leading angle like mat tracks. I don't think that style would like powdery snow or hills to climb. The snow at the cabin is always wet heavy, I can almost make it in the 4X4 if not for the hills. So I am hoping. Marty
 

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