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Big Ben bites the pavement

Dargo

Like a bad penny...
The news reports on Ben Roethlisburger's motorcycle crash say that he has lost most of his teeth, has a broken jaw, fractured left sinus cavity, and a 9" laceration on his head. Apparently Cowher is livid because he has had several conversations with Ben about at least wearing a helmet if he is going to ride. Terry Bradshaw also is reporting that he has told Ben several times that he will have plenty of time to ride his motorcycle AFTER football with no helmet if he chooses. The physicians who treated Ben have been quoted as saying that he likely would have only had some scrapes and bruises if he were wearing a full face helmet.
 
I've also heard a couple more things about this.

He NEVER rides alone, but always in large groups . . . except today when he was riding alone.

Also his grandfather owns a Swiss cheese factory that makes some of the best Swiss cheese in Switzerland (seriously).
 
I find it hard to believe that a Man that wears protective clothing,and a helmet for His job, would not do the same riding a motorcycle in traffic. In His job He's risking collisions with 300lbs. objects going 15-20mph tops,and on turf.
Riding, those objects weigh 3000- lbs? ,travel at somewhat higher speeds in general,and are on concrete/asphalt. I hope He recovers fully,and is able to play football again. I also hope He enjoys riding again,but with abit more protection.
 
Harley riders don't "look cool" wearing a helmet, or at least some of them think. Don't get me wrong, I'm not degrading those who buy and ride a Harley. but I rarely see one with a helmet on.
 
I saw a news blip with a close up of the bike. I don't think it was a Harley. It was one of those pocket rockets. The speedo topped out at 160 :eek:
 
Doc said:
I saw a news blip with a close up of the bike. I don't think it was a Harley. It was one of those pocket rockets. The speedo topped out at 160 :eek:

It was a crotch rocket.................!
 
Another excuse for the helmet police to take away more of your freedoms. Some dumb football player got his pretty teeth knocked out.

I will not and can not argue the merits of wearing a helmet. That is a moot point. But, I will argue all day long that it is not within the powers of the government to mandate their (or seatbelt) use.

This is just another symptom of our sheepish, neutered society giving away their freedoms to the safety police.
 
I didn't know what he was riding, I just made an "assumption" based on his income...... silly me :pat:
 
Av8r3400 said:
I will not and can not argue the merits of wearing a helmet.

Without any doubt at all, I would not be here typing this if it were not for a well constructed helmet basically disintegrating as designed on a heavy impact. This happened to me not only once, but twice. I can argue the merits of wearing a helmet for a lifetime.

On seatbelts, I can also tell you that I am part of the statistics that tell auto manufacturers that it is a poor design to have the seatbelt incorporated into the door. In a head on collision about 15 years ago I found that a door is a poor place to anchor a seatbelt. I still did manage to push up the front roof across the top of the windshield and bust the windshield. I cannot say by any means that that accident would have been fatal if not for the seatbelt, especially since it basically failed, but I'm fairly confident that it slowed me down.

Because of my personal experiences and the known facts I've received from my friends who are physicians, I do not need any laws to have me always wear seatbelts and a helmet. I believe that Big Ben will become like Gary Busey and change his tune on wearing a helmet and / or his football contract will demand as much.

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Since I first typed the above, I just learned that a friend of mine and his wife lost their live in a motorcycle accident today. I've known Gary for nearly 20 years and he never wore a helmet. The news article says that he and his wife died from head injuries. If you live in the north east you may be able to find more on his accident. He and his wife and another couple were on vacation and were both in the accident in Vermont. The news article says that they were hit by a 26 year old driver who crossed the center lane. His name was Gary Varden. The other couple are both in serious condition at a hospital in Vermont.
 
For the record: He was riding a 1995 Suzuki Hayabusa. (Arguably the worlds fastest street bike. A crotch rocket in every sence of the word.)
 
Here's the bike............
 

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Dargo said:
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Since I first typed the above, I just learned that a friend of mine and his wife lost their live in a motorcycle accident today. I've known Gary for nearly 20 years and he never wore a helmet. The news article says that he and his wife died from head injuries. If you live in the north east you may be able to find more on his accident. He and his wife and another couple were on vacation and were both in the accident in Vermont. The news article says that they were hit by a 26 year old driver who crossed the center lane. His name was Gary Varden. The other couple are both in serious condition at a hospital in Vermont.

Sorry, the state was New Hampshire, not Vermont. I understand that there is a large annual bike rally in New Hampshire right now.
 
It's just the PONS theory at work. He may not have the brains to ride a fast bike with a helmet but he was big and strong enough to survive the crash. It will be interesting to see if he learns from his mistakes.

I could care less if he died. I just don't want to see tax dollars wasted cleaning up the mess. Can we get him to pay for all the emergency funds used to take care of him?
 
PBinWA said:
It's just the PONS theory at work. He may not have the brains to ride a fast bike with a helmet but he was big and strong enough to survive the crash. It will be interesting to see if he learns from his mistakes.

I could care less if he died. I just don't want to see tax dollars wasted cleaning up the mess. Can we get him to pay for all the emergency funds used to take care of him?

Interesting idea...... So, if he was wearing a helmet, would he be exempt from the same clean up and broke bone treatments??
 
HGM said:
Interesting idea...... So, if he was wearing a helmet, would he be exempt from the same clean up and broke bone treatments??

Hmmm . . . tough one. I'd prefer to not have my taxes for the clean up and care of people that do stupid things (includes me). However, IF he had been wearing a helmet AND IF he wasn't speeding or driving irresponsibly then I am more willing to see some form of assistance provided to him.

I strongly doubt his situation met my criteria for sympathy.
 
PB, you have never gotten a ride in the 'meat wagon' have you? (That's a good thing.)

You do, in fact, have to pay for it. You are billed directly. It's not a free, tax-payer supported service. This is a popular argument from the pro-helmet, anti-motorcycle lobby. It's just not true.

It cost me $700 for 5 blocks. It cost my FIL $7500 for a helicopter ride when he hit a deer.
 
PBinWA said:
Hmmm . . . tough one. I'd prefer to not have my taxes for the clean up and care of people that do stupid things (includes me). However, IF he had been wearing a helmet AND IF he wasn't speeding or driving irresponsibly then I am more willing to see some form of assistance provided to him.

I strongly doubt his situation met my criteria for sympathy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought he was driving responsibly and got cut off... Again, I havent had the time to read the whole play by play, but simply riding without a helmet is not a reason to fault him for the accident... The helmet MAY help in the event of an accident, it may also contribute to neck injury, but either way it is up to the particular accident to determine that... If he was in fact driving irresponsibly and speeding, then I can see your point to a degree.. Bottom line in my mind, is the biker shouldnt have to ride in full body armor just because others in cars are too stupid to share the road.. There are clearly two sides to the story, I dont know enough about this particular incident to say one way or another, but to "not care if he died because he didnt wear a helmet" is a prety bold statement, to say the least....
 
Apparently, there has'nt been any info released yet as to who was a fault, so I guess it could go either way....This is from a Yahoo news link as of 9:50pm...

Nobody has been cited in the crash and police will not release information until an accident reconstruction is complete, Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Tammy Ewin said Tuesday.
 
One guy I know who is a huge Steeler fan said that although, yes, Ben was speeding, the lady cut in front of him. My buddy also said that he now has mixed thoughts about helmets. We have debated helmets before and he always chose to ride without one. I held the position that I disagreed with riding without a helmet, but I'm still not sure how strong I support helmet laws. Anyway, my friend (the one who does not wear a helmet) said that, according to all the local news sources there, if Ben would have been wearing a helmet he would have walked away with minor injuries.
 
Dargo said:
One guy I know who is a huge Steeler fan said that although, yes, Ben was speeding, the lady cut in front of him. My buddy also said that he now has mixed thoughts about helmets. We have debated helmets before and he always chose to ride without one. I held the position that I disagreed with riding without a helmet, but I'm still not sure how strong I support helmet laws. Anyway, my friend (the one who does not wear a helmet) said that, according to all the local news sources there, if Ben would have been wearing a helmet he would have walked away with minor injuries.


I saw a news blip where the newcaster said the same thing. Since the majority of his injuries are above his shoulders it makes sense. They did say if he was wearing a "Full Face Helmet" he probably would have gotten off with a few minor bruises.
 
Doc said:
I saw a news blip where the newcaster said the same thing. Since the majority of his injuries are above his shoulders it makes sense. They did say if he was wearing a "Full Face Helmet" he probably would have gotten off with a few minor bruises.

I cant even begin to argue that a helmet wouldnt have mattered in his case.. He surely would have had less facial injuries.. I guess my question is, where does it stop? We have already gone, in this conversation, from a helmet would have helped to a full face helmet would have helped.. But, if he was in a car, or a semi for that matter, he would have been unscratched... When I ride, it may or may not be with a helmet.. In some cases, I feel a helmet might be necessary(in Atlanta traffic) while in some cases I dont want one on(back road cruise on a nice day).. I want the choice, to tell me I must comply by wearing a helmet is like telling me that I must go to bed at 9:pm and get 10hrs sleep each night.. It might be better to do so in some cases, but I may not want to all the time... To each his own...
 
Sorry, I should have specified full faced helmet. I have never worn or considered anything other than a full face helmet since the early 70's. I don't even consider the fact that they still make open face helmets. I've never owned one. When I raced it seems that every time I went down I did a face plant into the ground. I did get my head run over several times and I still have clearly visable knobby tire marks right across one of my yellow helmets I wore when I raced for a local Yamaha shop.
 
HGM said:
I want the choice, to tell me I must comply by wearing a helmet is like telling me that I must go to bed at 9:pm and get 10hrs sleep each night.. It might be better to do so in some cases, but I may not want to all the time... To each his own...

I mentioned earlier that I have mixed feelings about helmet laws. I suppose it would be like cliff diving. If you want to go jump off of cliffs into 10' of water, I suppose you're welcome to do so. It doesn't have any affect on me. I've personally benefited greatly from helmets and seat belts, as I mentioned earlier so I choose to never ride without a helmet or drive without wearing a seatbelt. What is confusing is that in my state it is strictly illegal to drive without a seatbelt, but you can ride a motorcycle without a helmet.
 
Big Ben has been upgraded to fair condition.

Local news says he didn't have a motorcycle license (or even a permit). I wonder if he'll get ticketed for that. The PA helmet law also requires that you have a minimum two years of licensed motorcycle experience or have successfully completed (passed) the Motorcycle Safety Course.

A local (Pittsburgh) news survey asked "Do you think motorcyclists in Pennsylvania should be required to wear a helmet?"
At present, the results are 80% yes, 20% no.
 
Oh man, you want to hear an extreme on worrying about the transportation cost to the hospital? My ex-BIL is a sanitation engineer; trash man. While working alone one day about 8 years ago he got his arm caught in the compactor part in the back of the truck. He was shoving something in that was falling out and his hand got tangled in what he was pushing in. The compacting blade (not exactly a sharp object) got his arm almost dead center between his hand and his elbow. When it did so, it pulled him away from the controls, preventing him from stopping the pack cycle. :eek:

In a 15 second (slooooow) process it broke his arm and literally pulled it off about 6" below his elbow. :puke1: Fred climbed out of the back of the dump truck and used the controls to open the back and went in to retrieve the rest of his arm. He then used the controls to close the back of the truck to prevent any garbage from getting out and climbed into the cab, putting his severed arm in the passenger seat. He tried to call for help, but he couldn't drive the garbage truck, shift gears and use the radio with only one arm and keep his stub jambed into his side to slow the gushing blood.

He got nearly 6 miles down the highway before he began to lose it. He was weaving on the road and began to pass cars in the median and lay on his horn as he went through red lights. To his luck, a state police cruiser pulled him over. The state trooper marched up to his cab in a rage and started to scream at Fred. Fred told the trooper that he wasn't sure he could drive anymore and tried to hand the trooper his severed arm and ask him to drive him on in to the hospital.

The trooper passed out on the spot and fell into the road. Well, when the trooper didn't respond to radio calls to him from dispatch, they were afraid that something bad had happened and called for emergency back up with a possible officer down.

Fred got out of the garbage truck and tried to revive the officer and laid his severed arm in the driver's seat of the truck. About 5 or 6 troopers converged on the scene storming in with weapons drawn. Talk about confusing, when they ordered Fred to raise his hands, you know what they saw! :eek: Fred tells me that about that time he started to pass out from blood loss and pain. He got a medical helicopter to transport him to the hospital and an ambulance came and picked up the downed officer who was in shock.

Donations and the IN State Police paid for his Medical Evacuation via helicopter. Fred's arm was re-attached and he has gained about 80% use of it (amazingly). The physicians who operated and treated him said that the arm was really torn off and not cut off and it was full of contamination. He actually had several surgeries and many weeks of strong antibiotics.

Always the tough guy, Fred went back to work in 6 weeks but was not allowed to drive yet. He rode on the back of the truck and tossed cans in with his one good arm. Apparently he momentarily forgot about his bad arm and tried to hold on to the moving truck with it while he changed his grip. Oops. He fell off of a moving truck and was hit by a car behind the garbage truck! :eek: He got about a dozen stitches in his head and broke a couple of fingers from that.

Sorry to be off subject a little, but I thought of this when the one post talked about people having to pay for their own trips into the hospital. That was what Fred was trying to avoid. In his circumstances, I don't think I could do what he did. :o
 
Wow Dargo...

Dargo said:
Apparently he momentarily forgot about his bad arm and tried to hold on to the moving truck with it while he changed his grip. Oops.
Mentally, I was thinking ahead and thought he ripped his arm off again. The way it did go on was probably just as bad. :pat:
 
Yes, my insurance did pay for (some) of the ambulance ride.

If you have none, you are still billed. What happens after that, I guess the great society welfare state kicks in.
 
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