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Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry

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Two takes on where we are headed. Fauci fear tactics. :bonk:


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Great post Doc, thanks!
 

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Just remember, ceee, like the vaccines you and I paid for it!!
Actually given the level of the national debt that has been piling up, our grand and great-grand children will be paying for it as we are spending their income.

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Masks have not been discussed much, but I'd point out that early in this thread we discussed N95 masks. Later in the thread we discussed N95 masks. Each time suggesting that the stupid cloth masks were worthless. Seems that the CDC has now changed its tune. The only masks that work to protect you from Omicron are the N95 respirator masks. Of course the CDC still contends the N95 is to be reserved for front line medical staff.
 

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Actually given the level of the national debt that has been piling up, our grand and great-grand children will be paying for it as we are spending their income.

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Masks have not been discussed much, but I'd point out that early in this thread we discussed N95 masks. Later in the thread we discussed N95 masks. Each time suggesting that the stupid cloth masks were worthless. Seems that the CDC has now changed its tune. The only masks that work to protect you from Omicron are the N95 respirator masks. Of course the CDC still contends the N95 is to be reserved for front line medical staff.
Try wearing an N95 into a hospital. They make you take it off and apply a useless paper one.
 

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Try wearing an N95 into a hospital. They make you take it off and apply a useless paper one.
BULLSHIT

If you wear a VENTED mask, of any type, they will typically make you remove it in any medical facility. You re referring to VENTED masks. Vented masks allow you to exhale directly out of the mask and since Covid is airborne it is VENTED masks (typically used in construction and industry) that are not allowed.

But if you wear any regular N95 mask there is no issue. ALL that me and my family wear are N95 masks. My daughter just recovered from Covid. Both my wife and I have been in the hospital and multiple medical clinics within the last 30 days. The doctors are wearing the same masks as I am wearing.
 
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I have paid my fair share of taxes ever since I starting working part time in the 11th grade. So I'll just consider my masks paid for in advance.
Yes, you did. We all did.

But, have you seen the National debt? Today's tests and shots are being paid for by our grandchildren.
 

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And another new type of vaccine.

While we know that none of the vaccines seem to endure very long, as they work on the antibodies. The research has been mainly turning toward T-cell response and how longer term immunity, or at least resistance, is coming from the T-cell memory. This new Swiss vaccine focuses on T-cell response and could give immunity response for multiple years.

Sadly, just entering early phases. This is just the start of the article, follow the link for the full story:



Swiss researchers launch trial for COVID "patch" vaccine

By Cecile Mantovani
LAUSANNE, Switzerland, Jan 19 (Reuters) - Swiss medical researchers said on Wednesday they have launched an early-stage study to test a next-generation COVID-19 vaccine candidate which would be administered via an arm patch, the latest to look at alternative methods of giving injections.
Unlike conventional vaccines that stimulate antibody production, the new PepGNP-Covid19 vaccine candidate focuses on T-cells, which are responsible for cellular immunity, to eliminate cells infected by the virus and prevent it from replicating.
...​
Professor Blaise Genton, head of the study, said this cellular immunity generates so-called "memory cells", which could make the vaccine more durable and could be better than others at protecting against potential variants of the virus.
The possible vaccine will be administered via micro-needles in the patch that are less than one millimetre deep that they hope will provide long-term immunity from COVID-19 and do away with the need for seasonal booster shots...
 

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BULLSHIT

If you wear a VENTED mask, of any type, they will typically make you remove it in any medical facility. You re referring to VENTED masks. Vented masks allow you to exhale directly out of the mask and since Covid is airborne it is VENTED masks (typically used in construction and industry) that are not allowed.

But if you wear any regular N95 mask there is no issue. ALL that me and my family wear are N95 masks. My daughter just recovered from Covid. Both my wife and I have been in the hospital and multiple medical clinics within the last 30 days. The doctors are wearing the same masks as I am wearing.
Here in St Louis, it happens every time I go to a medical facility.
Currently undergoing a weekly therapy.
Not vented,
Not BS.
Every time.
Further, from the point of the science, if everyone has a mask on, practiced protocols of not touching their eyes and lips, then what I exhale should present them no danger.
 

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A thorough and interesting study on the efficacy of masks and how the various mediums work with COVID spread.
 

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A thorough and interesting study on the efficacy of masks and how the various mediums work with COVID spread.
There are quite a few good studies, going back to the early stages of Covid, and meta-analysis too, all of which show that general mask orders does effectively nothing to stop or slow the spread of covid.

What we also know is that there are some specific studies that show, IF properly used, and IF properly cared for and IF properly fitted, then N95 masks, combined with basic eye protection, can very effectively protect the use from getting covid.

Most people reuse disposable masks. Most people over-use disposable masks. Most people treat their masks about as well as they do a dirty dish rag, stuffing them in their pockets, touching the inside and outside, etc. Most people seem to re-wear their cloth masks without ever washing them! WTF?

What I shocking is that people actually bought into the concept that 3 pieces of cotton cloth would actually do something.
 

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There are quite a few good studies, going back to the early stages of Covid, and meta-analysis too, all of which show that general mask orders does effectively nothing to stop or slow the spread of covid.

What we also know is that there are some specific studies that show, IF properly used, and IF properly cared for and IF properly fitted, then N95 masks, combined with basic eye protection, can very effectively protect the use from getting covid.

Most people reuse disposable masks. Most people over-use disposable masks. Most people treat their masks about as well as they do a dirty dish rag, stuffing them in their pockets, touching the inside and outside, etc. Most people seem to re-wear their cloth masks without ever washing them! WTF?

What I shocking is that people actually bought into the concept that 3 pieces of cotton cloth would actually do something.
I think a big issue with the masks, other than their porosity, is that most people do not know how and where to use them effectively. I imagine that has a lot to do with study outcomes. Not the fault of the product but the users who did what they were told because they had to. And did not know any better.
 

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“In the ideal world — or pre-pandemic — many masks were really viewed as single-use,” said Michael G. Knight, an assistant professor of medicine at George Washington University. “The reality is they do have a little bit more length in the amount of time we can use them.”

What’s crucial, Knight said, is making sure the mask has “maintained its integrity.” Think about how many times you’ve used it and for how long, he said.

If I’m just putting a mask on to go to the grocery store for 45 minutes and I’m taking it off, that mask very well should be able to last me a couple of days,” he said."


Most people reuse disposable masks. Most people over-use disposable masks.
I reuse disposable masks. I do rotate them and store them in a paper bag so that I'm not wearing the same one all the time. I usually don't even wear them for longer than for about 30-45 minutes a time, sometimes only about 10 minutes.

If I threw away a disposable mask every single time I put it on my face, I'd be in the poor house. Doesn't the virus die after a certain period of time (72hrs??) if it's not in the human body...nose, eyes, lungs, etc.?
 

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The disposable surgical masks have a lifespan of about 20 to 30 minutes before they are pretty well wet with your humid exhaled breath. Once they are moist any virus can/will migrate through the mask and you are just exhaling your germs into the air.

N95 masks tend to have a much longer lifespan, they can be used for a few hours. Drying them and reusing them every other day is actually something that hospitals have done. Our local hospital used them for 3 "shifts" and then disposed of them.

Much of the problem with masks is that they are often just treated incorrectly, stuffed into dirty pockets, etc. I've actually seen people pick them up off the floor and reuse them.
 

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I'm kinda lucky in that we have thousands of the disposables here left over from a packaging contract.
So, generally I toss them after one use.

Sadly, I see them everywhere disposed of like drug needles in parks and parking lots. Disgusting.
 
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How about running only dry masks in the drier for the heat. When we had bedbugs we had to run all our dry clothes in the drier to kill any eggs. I checked and the temp was 165*F.
 

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Looks like the US covid cases of Omicron have peaked and are now starting to decline. However some regions are still increasing while others are decreasing. So the Northeast is in a decline in cases while the midwest, where I live, are still rapidly increasing.

Full story at the link:


NEW YORK (Reuters) -New coronavirus cases are falling in parts of the United States hit hardest by the fast-spreading Omicron variant, according to a Reuters analysis of public health data, offering an early indication the virus might once again be in retreat.​
COVID-19 infections have decreased in 19 states https://graphics.reuters.com/HEALTH-CORONAVIRUS/USA-OMICRON/zgvomadgmvd/USA-OMICRON.jpg plus Washington, D.C. and Puerto Rico, an analysis of the past week through Thursday compared with the prior week showed.​
In the Northeast, which saw some of the highest case loads during the latest surge, infections are down 40% week-over-week.​
"Certainly it bodes well for us in terms of the trajectory of Omicron," said Wafaa El-Sadr, a professor of epidemiology and medicine at Columbia University in New York City.​
The drop was more modest at the national level https://graphics.reuters.com/world-...-maps/countries-and-territories/united-states, with new reported COVID-19 cases down 7% during the same time period, according to the Reuters tally, as Omicron surges in some other parts of the country.​
COVID-19 data often lag a few days behind the actual state of affairs.​
In the Midwest, cases climbed 11% over the past seven days compared with the previous week, and were up 2% in the South, although the increase has slowed considerably in recent weeks. Western states saw a 3% week-over-week drop in new infections, according to the tally.​
Nationally, new cases are averaging a still-high 738,000 a day, down from a peak of 805,000 on Jan. 15.​
Deaths, which usually lag new infections by about three weeks and are occurring primarily among the unvaccinated, are averaging more than 2,000 a day, up 50% from the start of the month. That is highest average number of COVID-19 deaths since the end of September, but lower than the record of 3,300 lives lost a day in January 2021.​
COVID hospitalizations, also a lagging indicator, set a record on Thursday at 152,746, according to the Reuters tally, but have been showing signs of stabilizing at around 150,000 over the past week.​
 

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How about running only dry masks in the drier for the heat.
I've never heard of this. I was told at the very beginning of all this stuff to put the paper masks in a brown paper lunch bag and into a slow oven to disinfect. I never tried it. It just seemed like asking for an oven fire to me.
 
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I'm just going to leave this here, without comment. Because I have no words.




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And another new type of vaccine.

While we know that none of the vaccines seem to endure very long, as they work on the antibodies. The research has been mainly turning toward T-cell response and how longer term immunity, or at least resistance, is coming from the T-cell memory. This new Swiss vaccine focuses on T-cell response and could give immunity response for multiple years.

Sadly, just entering early phases. This is just the start of the article, follow the link for the full story:



Swiss researchers launch trial for COVID "patch" vaccine

By Cecile Mantovani
LAUSANNE, Switzerland, Jan 19 (Reuters) - Swiss medical researchers said on Wednesday they have launched an early-stage study to test a next-generation COVID-19 vaccine candidate which would be administered via an arm patch, the latest to look at alternative methods of giving injections.
Unlike conventional vaccines that stimulate antibody production, the new PepGNP-Covid19 vaccine candidate focuses on T-cells, which are responsible for cellular immunity, to eliminate cells infected by the virus and prevent it from replicating.
...​
Professor Blaise Genton, head of the study, said this cellular immunity generates so-called "memory cells", which could make the vaccine more durable and could be better than others at protecting against potential variants of the virus.
The possible vaccine will be administered via micro-needles in the patch that are less than one millimetre deep that they hope will provide long-term immunity from COVID-19 and do away with the need for seasonal booster shots...
I've been reading and hearing about a new Pfizer universal vaccine being developed. Is this the same thing? I would certainly love a vaccine for covid that is much like the flu vaccine...once a year and done.
 

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And another new type of vaccine.

While we know that none of the vaccines seem to endure very long, as they work on the antibodies. The research has been mainly turning toward T-cell response and how longer term immunity, or at least resistance, is coming from the T-cell memory. This new Swiss vaccine focuses on T-cell response and could give immunity response for multiple years.

Sadly, just entering early phases. This is just the start of the article, follow the link for the full story:



Swiss researchers launch trial for COVID "patch" vaccine

By Cecile Mantovani
LAUSANNE, Switzerland, Jan 19 (Reuters) - Swiss medical researchers said on Wednesday they have launched an early-stage study to test a next-generation COVID-19 vaccine candidate which would be administered via an arm patch, the latest to look at alternative methods of giving injections.
Unlike conventional vaccines that stimulate antibody production, the new PepGNP-Covid19 vaccine candidate focuses on T-cells, which are responsible for cellular immunity, to eliminate cells infected by the virus and prevent it from replicating.
...​
Professor Blaise Genton, head of the study, said this cellular immunity generates so-called "memory cells", which could make the vaccine more durable and could be better than others at protecting against potential variants of the virus.
The possible vaccine will be administered via micro-needles in the patch that are less than one millimetre deep that they hope will provide long-term immunity from COVID-19 and do away with the need for seasonal booster shots...
T cells are the way natural immunity after infection works, to protect you long term.
 

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I've been reading and hearing about a new Pfizer universal vaccine being developed. Is this the same thing? I would certainly love a vaccine for covid that is much like the flu vaccine...once a year and done.
The Pfizer vaccine is a combination of both the seasonal flu shot (which varies from year to year) with a Covid vaccine booster.
 

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"Another new mutation of the coronavirus is now here in North Texas.
The COVID-19 "stealth" omicron or BA.2 variant is reportedly difficult to detect and spreads even more easily than the highly contagious omicron variant.
Health officials don’t yet know if it can evade vaccines or cause more serious illness."
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Once again, here we are in Tx with ICU beds being pushed to the max.
 

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A lot of not much to report.

Joe Rogan, a guy who is apparently the most popular podcaster in the world, is costing SPOTIFY billions of dollars as their stock devalued because he told the truth about a lot of what is going on with Covid. Liberal musicians and singers are removing their music from the SPOTIFY service over "Covid misinformation" broadcast by Rogan.

Omicron has indeed filled many hospital beds, it has also infected much of the world, now it has a more communicable variant, which is also apparently mild. It appears that Omicron is, indeed, the big fizzle we have been looking for with regards to covid. For people with low risk factors, Omicron seems to be statistically zero real threat. For the people with multiple comorbidities, omicron should still be taken seriously because those folks still tend to end up in the hospital and die.

Ivermectin is back in the news. For working.


Japanese trading and pharmaceutical company Kowa Co Ltd said on Monday anti-parasite drug Ivermectin showed an "antiviral effect" against Omicron and other variants of coronavirus in joint non-clinical research.
The company, which has been working with Tokyo's Kitasato University on testing the drug as a potential treatment for COVID-19, did not provide further details.
Clinical trials are ongoing, but promotion of Ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment has generated controversy.
 

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Vitamin D people. I'm taking 5000iu per day. My blood was tested, it is sufficient for me. My wife is at 10,000iu per day because 5000iu was not sufficient for her. A simple blood test by your doctor can tell you what your levels are and help guide you to the daily dose you need.

Vitamin D, as noted many times in this thread, slowly builds in your system, if you get sick it is actually too late to take it. It builds up in your cells over weeks. It is cheap to buy and available at most supermarkets and pharmacies. You may want to take it as a daily supplement.




Israel scientists say they have gathered the most convincing evidence to date that increased vitamin D levels can help COVID-19 patients reduce the risk of serious illness or death.
Researchers from Bar Ilan University and the Galilee Medical Center say that the vitamin has such a strong impact on disease severity that they can predict how people would fare if infected based on nothing more than their ages and vitamin D levels.
Lacking vitamin D significantly increases danger levels, they concluded in newly peer-reviewed research published Thursday in the journal PLOS One.
The study is based on research conducted during Israel’s first two waves of the virus, before vaccines were widely available, and doctors emphasized that vitamin supplements were not a substitute for vaccines, but rather a way to keep immunity levels from falling.
Vitamin D deficiency is endemic across the Middle East, including in Israel, where nearly four in five people are low on the vitamin, according to one study from 2011. By taking supplements before infection, though, the researchers in the new Israeli study found that patients could avoid the worst effects of the disease.
“We found it remarkable, and striking, to see the difference in the chances of becoming a severe patient when you are lacking in vitamin D compared to when you’re not,” said Dr. Amiel Dror, a Galilee Medical Center physician and Bar Ilan researcher who was part of the team behind the study.
He noted that his study was conducted pre-Omicron, but said that the coronavirus doesn’t change fundamentally enough between variants to negate vitamin D effectiveness.
“What we’re seeing when vitamin D helps people with COVID infections is a result of its effectiveness in bolstering the immune systems to deal with viral pathogens that attack the respiratory system,” he told The Times of Israel. “This is equally relevant for Omicron as it was for previous variants.”
Health authorities in Israel and several other countries have recommended vitamin D supplements in response to the coronavirus pandemic, though data on its effectiveness has been sparse until now.
In June, researchers published preliminary findings showing that 26 percent of coronavirus patients died if they were vitamin D deficient soon before hospitalization, compared to 3% who had normal levels of vitamin D.
They also determined that hospitalized patients who were vitamin D deficient were 14 times more likely, on average, to end up in severe or critical condition than others.
While the scientific community recognized the importance of the results, questions arose as to whether recent health conditions among the patients might have been skewing the results.
The possibility was raised that patients could have been suffering from conditions that both reduce vitamin D levels and increase vulnerability to serious illness from COVID-19, meaning the vitamin deficiency would be a symptom rather than a contributing factor in disease severity.
To zero out that possibility, Dror’s team delved deeper into the data, examining each of its patients’ vitamin D levels over the two-year stretch before coronavirus infection. They found that the strong correlation between sufficient vitamin D levels and ability to fight the coronavirus still held, and the level of increased danger in their preliminary findings remained almost identical.
“We checked a range of timeframes, and found that wherever you look over the two years before infection, the correlation between vitamin D and disease severity is extremely strong,” Dror said.
“Because this study gets such a good picture of patients’ vitamin D levels, by looking at a wide timeframe instead of just the time around hospitalization, it offers much stronger support than anything seen so far emphasizing the importance of boosting vitamin D levels during the pandemic,” . . .
 
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