I just watched a video sent to project Veratos, depicting Suckerburg addressing the brass at his company. Quote: I am not taking a vaccine that alters you DNA and RNA, who knows what any long term effects would be. I do not trust any of them, Suckerburg, gates, fauxi or the current administration.
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Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry
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Imagine, if you will, a world in which a disease is intentionally manipulated to become a deadly pandemic, and your choice is take a medicine that will cure you and also make you sterile. Or,,,,,,; you will die.
Consider, if you will;
.....the possibility that we now involved within the experiment to see if that scenario is palatable, if not acceptable, to the population?
Consider, if you will;
.....the possibility that we now involved within the experiment to see if that scenario is palatable, if not acceptable, to the population?
I kind of said from the beginning that COVID-19 is just like "the flu", only much worse.. and it is.
Well it can be, in the elderly and those with pre-existing health conditions.
That said, we now (once again!) have a covid ward at work.
Just like last year.
So far, 7 residents tested positive.
They've all been vaccinated.
Symptoms are mild.
Let's hope this doesn't go out of control like last year.
I don't think we/I could go through that again.
When your facility has the ABC Toledo news team knocking on your front door, you know it's bad.
Well it can be, in the elderly and those with pre-existing health conditions.
That said, we now (once again!) have a covid ward at work.
Just like last year.
So far, 7 residents tested positive.
They've all been vaccinated.
Symptoms are mild.
Let's hope this doesn't go out of control like last year.
I don't think we/I could go through that again.
When your facility has the ABC Toledo news team knocking on your front door, you know it's bad.
I like you Franc, but I'm going to respectfully disagree with the above. I haven't seen any evidence that young women will suffer from fertility problems from getting the vaccine.
I could quote the CDC stuff, but you would probably poo-poo that
, and I get that's your right.
It's too early still to speculate what this jab/shot could do long-term.
I got vaccinated per ODH recommendation , but I won't call it a vaccine.
Now next week when I receive my annual flu shot, then I'll consider myself vaccinated.
I got vaccinated per ODH recommendation , but I won't call it a vaccine.
Now next week when I receive my annual flu shot, then I'll consider myself vaccinated.
You can disagree but obviously, you haven't looked.I like you Franc, but I'm going to respectfully disagree with the above. I haven't seen any evidence that young women will suffer from fertility problems from getting the vaccine.
I could quote the CDC stuff, but you would probably poo-poo that
We are all having to sift the disinformation from the facts.
The Gubmint wants you to "just believe"
It's like finding out your mate has been cheating for years, but from now on you can trust them.
There simply has not been enough time or research for anyone to do more than speculate.
That's all I'm doing.
I'll believe the CDC when they offer the same information and protocols two days in a row.
The problem lies not in the information so much as the inability to make a free personal decision
The mandates have no force of law. So why is everyone so scared to be free?
COLIN POWEL
He had cancer and other serious health conditions and was seriously immunosuppressed. The fact that he had a breakthrough case is not surprising. From the onset we knew cancer patients would be minimally helped.
VACCINES are 70-90% effective and temper the severity of the disease:
The fact is the vaccine is actually effective at reducing serious complications and hospitalization in a huge super majority of people. There is also evidence that the efficacy wanes after 5-7 months, especially in those people who older, have co-morbidities and anyone who is immunocompromised, exactly the type of population that lives in care facilities. Those people who do get breakthrough cases tend to have very mild cases. Statistics back up all this, the data is hard to refute. Would it be great to have a BETTER vaccine? Yup, but these are the jabs we have. Take if or leave it.
TREATMENTS are nearing:
We also now know that there are some treatments on the very near horizon. Israel has a drug that is nearly 100% effective in double blind/placebo hospital trials. Eli Lilly is testing a treatment that seems to be very effective and cost effective in early trial. Merek, the original producer of Ivermectin, has a drug that is modestly priced and showing to be very effective, available in pill form. And we should not forget Ivermectin, which India proved, and the World Heath Organization admitted without saying the name Ivermectin, that India's early treatment and prevention plan, based on Ivermectin, was the most successful in the world and changing the course of the disease.
He had cancer and other serious health conditions and was seriously immunosuppressed. The fact that he had a breakthrough case is not surprising. From the onset we knew cancer patients would be minimally helped.
VACCINES are 70-90% effective and temper the severity of the disease:
The fact is the vaccine is actually effective at reducing serious complications and hospitalization in a huge super majority of people. There is also evidence that the efficacy wanes after 5-7 months, especially in those people who older, have co-morbidities and anyone who is immunocompromised, exactly the type of population that lives in care facilities. Those people who do get breakthrough cases tend to have very mild cases. Statistics back up all this, the data is hard to refute. Would it be great to have a BETTER vaccine? Yup, but these are the jabs we have. Take if or leave it.
TREATMENTS are nearing:
We also now know that there are some treatments on the very near horizon. Israel has a drug that is nearly 100% effective in double blind/placebo hospital trials. Eli Lilly is testing a treatment that seems to be very effective and cost effective in early trial. Merek, the original producer of Ivermectin, has a drug that is modestly priced and showing to be very effective, available in pill form. And we should not forget Ivermectin, which India proved, and the World Heath Organization admitted without saying the name Ivermectin, that India's early treatment and prevention plan, based on Ivermectin, was the most successful in the world and changing the course of the disease.
Just going to drop this here ...
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NIH grantee in Wuhan faces questions, deadline for more info on research
NIH said EcoHealth Alliance must submit any unpublished data to the agency by Monday to come back into compliance with its NIH grant.
There are lots of things that need to be explored. The government very likely caused this problem. That is an issue for perhaps a dozen political threads as the investigations evolve.Just going to drop this here ...
NIH grantee in Wuhan faces questions, deadline for more info on research
NIH said EcoHealth Alliance must submit any unpublished data to the agency by Monday to come back into compliance with its NIH grant.
But the real issue to deal with is that we are stuck with this virus.
So now that we have it we have to deal with the virus.
We have SOME possible treatments, most of which, if they work, only work in early stages of the disease. We have some vaccines, which seem to have some very good effect, albeit only for a fairly short duration of time. We have some new treatments coming down the line that look even more promising.
This is the reality of what we face with Covid.
New peer reviewed study, reported on by USA Today, shows that there a lot of people who have lingering long term problems after recovering from Covid. Perhaps they are not actually recovered? Story seems to indicate, at least some of these lingering symptoms are worse with older people and milder in younger people. I'd like to see more details. But for now this is interesting. I've reported on some of these symptoms earlier in this thread.
LINK to original story in USA Today. Visit the site for updates to this story --> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ory-loss-long-term-covid-symptoms/6168210001/
LINK to original story in USA Today. Visit the site for updates to this story --> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ory-loss-long-term-covid-symptoms/6168210001/
Memory loss and 'brain fog' may be side effects of COVID-19, new study shows
Long-term COVID-19 side effects could include memory loss and other cognitive dysfunctions commonly labeled as "brain fog," according to a study released that examined 740 patients in the Mount Sinai Health System.
The study, which was published Friday in the peer-reviewed medical journal JAMA Network Open, analyzed patients who contracted COVID-19, not people who only received the COVID-19 vaccine.
The most common cognitive deficits the study identified were memory encoding and memory recall, which showed up in 24% and 23% of the participants, respectively.
Memory encoding is the process of storing sensory input as a memory, such as storing a phone number in your head by repeating it out loud a few times. Memory recall refers to accessing memories that are stored already and retrieving them for use.
The study used the Hopkins Verbal Learning Test to show participants a series of words in different categories and see how many they could recall. Another test, called the Number Span test, would see how many digits someone could recall from memory after seeing the numbers on a screen.
Other common side effects included processing speed (the time it takes someone to perform a mental task), executive functioning (associated with setting and completing goals), and phonemic and category fluency (the ability to come up with words based on certain criteria).
An example of phonemic fluency is asking participants to come up with as many words that start with a "C" as possible, and category fluency involves asking them to list words related to a category, such as animals, according to Oxford's Archives of Clinical Neuropsychology.
Hospitalized patients were much more likely than non-hospitalized patients to struggle with attention, executive functioning, category fluency, memory encoding and memory recall.
Another study that documented "brain fog" was published by Oxford University and the National Institute for Health Research study earlier in October. Cognitive symptoms were seen in about 8% of patients and were more common among the elderly.
The study also found common lingering symptoms, such as trouble breathing, abdominal ailments, fatigue, pain, anxiety and depression.
We have 14 residents now tested positive for covid.
Looks like it's going to take off like a house on fire again.
It pisses me off that the vaccine hasn't worked for many of them.
It would also HELP if we wouldn't have been accepting new admissions once management thought it was ok to do so.
Covid is horrible and a real bad virus.
The vaccine is an experiment because it's NOT workinggggg!
Looks like it's going to take off like a house on fire again.
It pisses me off that the vaccine hasn't worked for many of them.
It would also HELP if we wouldn't have been accepting new admissions once management thought it was ok to do so.
Covid is horrible and a real bad virus.
The vaccine is an experiment because it's NOT workinggggg!
I agree it is an experiment but I disagree that it is not working.
The data shows it is working reasonably well. Vaccinated people still get Covid but tend to get it at lower rates and have far fewer complications, far fewer hospitalizations and fewer deaths.
The problem is that the immunity doesn't seem to last very long. Less so for older people and those of us (like me) that are immunosuppressed or immunocompromised.
But clearly we can see that people who are vaccinated have far better chances than those who are not.
You're basically repeating much of what I've already said, but yeah I get it
Booster or not?
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There’s been a ton of meetings re: COVID19 boosters. VRBPAC met last week (here are my cliff notes). FDA made their decision yesterday. ACIP (the external advisory committee to the CDC) met today. The evidence from all these meetings are pretty clear: boosters are safe, effective, and needed for some. This weekend it will be “legal” to mix vaccines too. But everyone has one question…
Which booster should I get?
When deciding to mix or match a booster, you should weigh benefits with risks. This benefit/risk ratio depends on age, sex, vaccine type, and risk for COVID19 disease. Thanks to the ACIP meeting today, we got some new data that can help drive your decision…
Benefits to Mixing
At the ACIP meeting, scientists of the landmark mix and match study presented their data. I wrote about this study last week. Briefly:
Figure created by YLE
There is a level of uncertainty about what combination is the best, though:
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What booster should I get? Data from ACIP may help
There’s been a ton of meetings re: COVID19 boosters. VRBPAC met last week (here are my cliff notes). FDA made their decision yesterday. ACIP (the external advisory committee to the CDC) met today. The evidence from all these meetings are pretty clear: boosters are safe, effective, and needed for...
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What booster should I get? Data from ACIP may help
Katelyn JetelinaOct 21There’s been a ton of meetings re: COVID19 boosters. VRBPAC met last week (here are my cliff notes). FDA made their decision yesterday. ACIP (the external advisory committee to the CDC) met today. The evidence from all these meetings are pretty clear: boosters are safe, effective, and needed for some. This weekend it will be “legal” to mix vaccines too. But everyone has one question…
Which booster should I get?
When deciding to mix or match a booster, you should weigh benefits with risks. This benefit/risk ratio depends on age, sex, vaccine type, and risk for COVID19 disease. Thanks to the ACIP meeting today, we got some new data that can help drive your decision…
Benefits to Mixing
At the ACIP meeting, scientists of the landmark mix and match study presented their data. I wrote about this study last week. Briefly:
- The most benefit was for those with a primary J&J shot. A Moderna booster gave the greatest benefit (56.1 fold increase in IgG; 76.1 fold increase in neutralizing antibodies). Pfizer also worked very well (32.8 fold increase in IgG; 35 fold increase in neutralizing antibodies).
- After the primary Moderna series, there was equal benefit from either a Moderna or Pfizer booster.
- After the primary Pfizer series, the greatest benefit was from a Moderna booster. But a Pfizer booster helped a lot too.
Figure created by YLEThere is a level of uncertainty about what combination is the best, though:
- We don’t know why mixing leads to increases of antibodies for some groups but not all. For example, is J&J highly boosted by Moderna because..
- …Moderna has such a high original efficacy?
- …they are different biotechnologies? Theoretically mixing an adenovirus vaccine (J&J) with a mRNA vaccine (Moderna) could give your immune system more ways to identify the virus, and thus more effective.
- … of the order? The “primer” or the original vaccine is important. Maybe this partially explains why JJ then Moderna is better than Moderna then JJ.
- Scientists from the mix and match study are studying this, but answers will take time.
- The mix and match study is one study. In epidemiology, consistency across studies is key. Unfortunately, we don’t have time to wait for more studies.
- We don’t know what a “protective” level of antibodies is. So, these fold-increases may not correlate with real world effectiveness.
- This study included Moderna at a 100 μg dose. This is different than what’s being rolled out (50 μg). This could influence results.
- Data was only presented 29 days after original dose. J&J seems to have a delayed reaction, so this data may miss the ultimate protection that J&J can provide.
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Risks to Mixing
It’s very safe to mix, but there are rare (but real) safety signals for specific vaccines based on age and sex:
Myocarditis and mRNA vaccines
Reporting rates (per 1 million doses administered) of myocarditis among males after mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Source here
Reporting rates (per 1 million doses administered) of myocarditis among females after mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Source here
Myocarditis data is based on the first and second shot, though. What is the risk for the third shot? We don’t really know, but this is what we’ve seen thus far…
Patterns of vaccination for 274,167 v-safe participants who reported an additional dose. Source here
So, what booster should you get?
The risk/benefit ratio depends on your age, sex, vaccine type, and risk for COVID19 disease. Here are some scenarios…
Risks to Mixing
It’s very safe to mix, but there are rare (but real) safety signals for specific vaccines based on age and sex:
Myocarditis and mRNA vaccines
- There’ve been 2,459 cases of myocarditis reported to VAERS. This is out of 366,062,239 first and second doses of mRNA vaccine administered in the United States.
- We see a higher than expected rate of myocarditis among males less than 30 years old after the second dose of an mRNA vaccine. For example, 40 cases of myocarditis have been reported out of 1,000,000 Pfizer doses among 12-15 year old males.
- Myocarditis is slightly higher after Moderna compared to Pfizer (this is probably because Moderna has more RNA in it compared to Pfizer).
- No deaths have been linked to vaccine-induced myocarditis. And people fully recover within 6 months.
Reporting rates (per 1 million doses administered) of myocarditis among males after mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Source here
Reporting rates (per 1 million doses administered) of myocarditis among females after mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. Source hereMyocarditis data is based on the first and second shot, though. What is the risk for the third shot? We don’t really know, but this is what we’ve seen thus far…
- Israel has boosted 3.7 million people using Pfizer. In terms of myocarditis, a booster is less risky with the 3rd dose because of the longer period between doses. Israel reported only 17 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis after the booster. All these cases were among males.
- In United States, 11,607,334 (6.1%) of people have already gotten a booster. Through the active surveillance system (V-safe), we have data on over 275,000 of those people. Most of these people did not mix, but a few people already have. For Pfizer, local and systemic reactions were reported less frequently following dose 3 than dose than the 1st or 2nd dose.
Patterns of vaccination for 274,167 v-safe participants who reported an additional dose. Source here- Moderna may be higher risk for myocarditis than Pfizer. But the Moderna booster is half the strength than the primary series. So, in terms of a booster, Moderna may not be more risky.
- There’ve been 47 cases of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS—special type of blood clot) reported to VAERS after the J&J vaccine. This is out of 15.3 million doses of J&J administered in the United States.
- We see a higher than expected rate of TTS among females aged 30-49 years old. For example, 11 cases of TTS have been reported out of 1,079,231 doses among 30-39 years old females after J&J.
So, what booster should you get?
The risk/benefit ratio depends on your age, sex, vaccine type, and risk for COVID19 disease. Here are some scenarios…
- Young male had a primary J&J vaccine. The most protection he would get is from a Moderna booster. But there’s low risk for myocarditis with Moderna. He believes myocarditis risk outweighs high efficacy, so he goes for a J&J booster.
- But maybe this guy has a comorbidity and is at high risk for COVID19 disease. In this case he wants ultimate protection. So, high efficacy outweighs myocarditis and he goes with a Moderna booster.
- Middle-aged woman had a primary J&J vaccine. If she were to get a J&J booster, there is a small risk of getting blood clots. For her, a mRNA booster may make the most sense because she’s not at high risk for myocarditis. So, she goes with a mRNA booster.
- But maybe she originally got J&J because she’s more comfortable with adenovirus biotechnology than mRNA biotechnology. So, for her, the minimal risk of a blot clot outweighs her concerns of mRNA.
- Elderly person in rural America had a primary Moderna series, but the local pharmacy only has J&J in stock now. To them, the availability and need of a booster outweighs the small risk of blood clots. So, they will get a J&J booster.
I'm on info overload right now. My first two vaccines were pfizer. Right now, I'm thinking that I'm going to stick with Pfizer as a booster if possible. I may change my mind after I come back and read the info again. I've been known to do that frequently.
Thanks so much for all the info, Melensdad.
Thanks so much for all the info, Melensdad.
Four graphs are worth thousands of words - NYT summary of recent CDC data based on health department records from 14 states and two cities. Vaccinations work - period. That said, I don't believe there should be mandates.
I read what I perceived as a decently unbiased article that stated it may be best to mix up your booster shot brands. Exposing your body to vaccine variants may train it to be more resilient to the actual covid variants. I think this is a reasonable strategy.
I plan to get a different brand shot next month when I go to get my second shingles shot. Assuming they let me - I'm not that old or particularly high risk.
I plan to get a different brand shot next month when I go to get my second shingles shot. Assuming they let me - I'm not that old or particularly high risk.
I don't care if it works or not. The experimental drug is NOT A VACCINE.
It is at best a prophylactic therapy. There is a benefit to having the shot. No argument.
However,
It's not much better than the paper masks which claim right on the box, "WILL NOT PREVENT COVID-19." They also have some benefit.
For the record, I am not anti shot for COVID. Just listen to you lying ears and eyes when the "experts" tell you what you must do instead.
If you are an American, YOU have the inalienable right to decide.
It is at best a prophylactic therapy. There is a benefit to having the shot. No argument.
However,
It's not much better than the paper masks which claim right on the box, "WILL NOT PREVENT COVID-19." They also have some benefit.
For the record, I am not anti shot for COVID. Just listen to you lying ears and eyes when the "experts" tell you what you must do instead.
If you are an American, YOU have the inalienable right to decide.
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An after effect not mentioned but common is a persistant Urticaria. I have it on both legs.
At first I thought it was shingles. But since I have it equally on both sides of my body, it has to be something else.
Benadryl helps but makes me sleepy
Sarna lotion also helps.
The rash is not continuous but breaks out when I am stressed or over tired. Never had it until I suffered COVID-19 back in February 2020
I will admit suffering with some of the items mentioned here in the OP. Cognitive fogginess. Yep, in spades.
Looking right at something common and unable to recognize it.
Common words I cannot recover for use. For example, "Urticaria" I was medically trained years ago, and used it on this Forum a few weeks ago. But had to look it up.
Planning? Visualizing concepts...; one of my best talents and required as an engineer. We are not talking about forgetting were are your keys, but why the board I just cut is wrong because I don't know where it goes in the construction I designed.
Absolutely an issue.
I worry it is long term.
At first I thought it was shingles. But since I have it equally on both sides of my body, it has to be something else.
Benadryl helps but makes me sleepy
Sarna lotion also helps.
The rash is not continuous but breaks out when I am stressed or over tired. Never had it until I suffered COVID-19 back in February 2020
I will admit suffering with some of the items mentioned here in the OP. Cognitive fogginess. Yep, in spades.
Looking right at something common and unable to recognize it.
Common words I cannot recover for use. For example, "Urticaria" I was medically trained years ago, and used it on this Forum a few weeks ago. But had to look it up.
Planning? Visualizing concepts...; one of my best talents and required as an engineer. We are not talking about forgetting were are your keys, but why the board I just cut is wrong because I don't know where it goes in the construction I designed.
Absolutely an issue.
I worry it is long term.
I agree 1,000% with everything you said here, Francis.
That said, I'm doing an 8 hour shift in our covid wing today.
11 residents.
3 are in the hospital.
Media didn’t disclose doctor’s $2M in Pfizer funding in coverage promoting child vaccination
Dr. Jim Kellner, a pediatrician and University of Calgary professor, has been cited as an authority in dozens of articles published by CTV News, CBC, Global News, the Toronto Star, and the Globe and Mail on vaccinating children and other pandemic related issues.
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God with you girl, you are my hero.
Welp!
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White House press secretary Jen Psaki has COVID-19
White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Sunday she has contracted COVID-19 and is experiencing mild symptoms. Psaki, 42, said she was last in contact with President Joe Biden on Tuesday, when sh…
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I have to wonder how much these companies are being paid for each vaccine? It is in their best interest to keep us having to get boosters every six months. Of course I'll be the government is paying top dollar for every vaccine. Anyone know how much has been paid out for these pokes in the arm?