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The real cause of the shootings

Jim_S

Gone But Not Forgotten
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August 7, 2019
The real cause of the shootings
By Frank Friday

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/the_real_cause_of_the_shootings.html

The aftermath of the terrible recent shootings surprised no one. The apparent white nationalist sympathies of the El Paso shooter, despite his anti-Trump comments, set off a lefty firestorm of attacks on the president and the NRA. Beto O'Rourke, desperately trying to reclaim the political spotlight, was the most despicable of all in blaming Mr. Trump. Never mind: for every shooter who the media decides must have conservative thoughts, there are several leftist mass shooters. The Dayton shooter was a Liz Warren fan; the GOP baseball team shooter worked on the Bernie Sanders campaign; and the Dallas police shooter, like President Obama, was an ardent BLM-supporter. Yet no one calls out these politicians for spreading hate and creating a climate of violence.

That's because our liberal news media are interested in a story only if they can somehow twist it for their own agenda. If a tree falls in the forest, it gets reported only if they can blame Mr. Trump.

That's incredibly unhealthy for our democracy. The voters and their elected representatives are denied any kind of honest back-and-forth on the policy issues of the day by such extreme and misleading media coverage. Criticize the corrupt black leaders of American cities, and you are a racist. Deny that the mass shootings are the product of white supremacists and gun-makers, and you are even worse than a racist.

Too bad, because we actually know quite a bit about why these disturbed men become mass shooters, and it has nothing to do with their politics. Researchers, for example, have found that something like 60% of mass shooters had a mental illness. The Secret Service puts the number at 67%. (Unfortunately, the politically correct American Psychiatric Association likes to downplay these numbers, lest we "stigmatize" the mentally ill.) I suspect that these may even be lowball estimates, as, often, where the shooter died in the incident, there was not enough information left to properly diagnose a particular mental illness. My own personal experience from years in the courthouse confirms all this. Really violent, senseless acts all seem to come down to severe schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

Less than 2% of the population suffers from either or both these conditions, but they occur in over 20% of the homeless population, and chronic drug abuse makes things much worse. Marijuana, which might be tolerated by a lot of the adult population without great consequence, seems to have a terrible effect on the brains of young men with these mental diseases — diseases that start to reveal themselves only in the late teens and early 20s.

The resulting high correlation among mass shooters, mental disease–psychotic behavior, and marijuana has long been known — even when they don't shoot, but bomb, like McVeigh and the Tsarnaev brothers.

Now, if the liberals have been utterly dishonest about mass shooters, sometimes we conservatives have not helped the situation if we lose the sight of the underlying drug and mental health causes and get distracted on other issues. The general breakdown of the family and traditional society, and the coarsening of the arts and entertainment the last 30 years, while lamentable, is not the reason for mass shooters. There are three more specific factors:

1.The rising levels of marijuana use among young people.

2. The ACLU's disastrous campaign to end institutionalization of the mentally ill, making it impossible to hold persons for care until they actually hurt somebody, which they often do and are then sent to prisons unequipped to treat them.

3. The media (social and conventional) hype devoted to mass shooters and the copycats they create. Disturbed young men, being outsiders and loners, are particularly inspired by the publicity and sense of power they might attain by doing a mass killing.

We should focus our efforts there. Any progress in such areas would be highly salutary for society and likely reduce the incidence of mass shootings.

Tevi Troy recently pointed out that traditionally, U.S. presidents did not want to talk about mass shootings for the very good reason that it only encouraged potential copycats, and the media respected that. Bill Clinton, though, had to feel everyone's pain, so now every shooting is a cause for public spectacle with a presidential speech.

It's probably too much at this late date for President Trump to announce that the White House will no longer respond to news about mass shootings so as not to encourage copycats — or to ask media companies, especially social media firms, to voluntarily censor chatter about these incidents. (I would exempt actual print newspapers, because nobody under 60 still reads these.)

But at the very least, he should insist that any kind of new "red flag laws" should be limited to a real, medical diagnosis concerning the mental health of the accused, and if judicial supervision is found in order, it must include a rigorous and long-term program of drug testing.

When it comes to mass shootings it needs to be made clear: guns don't kill people. Political rhetoric doesn't kill people. Drug-fueled psychotics are what kill people.

Frank Friday is an attorney in Louisville, Ky.
 

Bannedjoe

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While I agree with most of the things you post, I have never known anyone who smoked weed then had the slightest motivation to do something violent.

I believe alcohol causes more brain damage and violence than MJ by a wide margin.
But there's little argument to say that someone who can willingly destroy innocent lives doesn't have a screw loose somewhere.
 

FrancSevin

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While I agree with most of the things you post, I have never known anyone who smoked weed then had the slightest motivation to do something violent.

I believe alcohol causes more brain damage and violence than MJ by a wide margin.
But there's little argument to say that someone who can willingly destroy innocent lives doesn't have a screw loose somewhere.


Well, based on that scientific evidence, clears that up.:yum::bb::bangin:
I myself have never encountered a weed user who was particularly motivated to much of anything but convince me it was harmless. My scientific survey is easily as valid as yours.

BTW, Other than the fact it puts them in a state of lower enthusiasm, motivation and achievement,,; What has anything about POT have to do with violent masss hootings?
 

tiredretired

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Well, based on that scientific evidence, clears that up.:yum::bb::bangin:
I myself have never encountered a weed user who was particularly motivated to much of anything but convince me it was harmless. My scientific survey is easily as valid as yours.

BTW, Other than the fact it puts them in a state of lower enthusiasm, motivation and achievement,,; What has anything about POT have to do with violent masss hootings?

I have drawn the same conclusions about pot users as you have. Over the course of my 70 years I have learned more than just a few things. For me it does not take some clinical "scientific" study spending millions of hard earned tax payer dollars to come to the conclusion that pot users are all basically underachieving, lazy ass, worthless slugs who as you say, spend most of their time trying to convince others on the harmlessness of the drug and the need to legalize it.
 

pirate_girl

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Drug using psychotics, kids/young adults holed up in their rooms or Mommy's basements gaming 18 hrs a day.
Those are the kinds of "people", or is that sub-humans? who do these types of horrible things.
 

m1west

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August 7, 2019
The real cause of the shootings
By Frank Friday

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/the_real_cause_of_the_shootings.html

The aftermath of the terrible recent shootings surprised no one. The apparent white nationalist sympathies of the El Paso shooter, despite his anti-Trump comments, set off a lefty firestorm of attacks on the president and the NRA. Beto O'Rourke, desperately trying to reclaim the political spotlight, was the most despicable of all in blaming Mr. Trump. Never mind: for every shooter who the media decides must have conservative thoughts, there are several leftist mass shooters. The Dayton shooter was a Liz Warren fan; the GOP baseball team shooter worked on the Bernie Sanders campaign; and the Dallas police shooter, like President Obama, was an ardent BLM-supporter. Yet no one calls out these politicians for spreading hate and creating a climate of violence.

That's because our liberal news media are interested in a story only if they can somehow twist it for their own agenda. If a tree falls in the forest, it gets reported only if they can blame Mr. Trump.

That's incredibly unhealthy for our democracy. The voters and their elected representatives are denied any kind of honest back-and-forth on the policy issues of the day by such extreme and misleading media coverage. Criticize the corrupt black leaders of American cities, and you are a racist. Deny that the mass shootings are the product of white supremacists and gun-makers, and you are even worse than a racist.

Too bad, because we actually know quite a bit about why these disturbed men become mass shooters, and it has nothing to do with their politics. Researchers, for example, have found that something like 60% of mass shooters had a mental illness. The Secret Service puts the number at 67%. (Unfortunately, the politically correct American Psychiatric Association likes to downplay these numbers, lest we "stigmatize" the mentally ill.) I suspect that these may even be lowball estimates, as, often, where the shooter died in the incident, there was not enough information left to properly diagnose a particular mental illness. My own personal experience from years in the courthouse confirms all this. Really violent, senseless acts all seem to come down to severe schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

Less than 2% of the population suffers from either or both these conditions, but they occur in over 20% of the homeless population, and chronic drug abuse makes things much worse. Marijuana, which might be tolerated by a lot of the adult population without great consequence, seems to have a terrible effect on the brains of young men with these mental diseases — diseases that start to reveal themselves only in the late teens and early 20s.

The resulting high correlation among mass shooters, mental disease–psychotic behavior, and marijuana has long been known — even when they don't shoot, but bomb, like McVeigh and the Tsarnaev brothers.

Now, if the liberals have been utterly dishonest about mass shooters, sometimes we conservatives have not helped the situation if we lose the sight of the underlying drug and mental health causes and get distracted on other issues. The general breakdown of the family and traditional society, and the coarsening of the arts and entertainment the last 30 years, while lamentable, is not the reason for mass shooters. There are three more specific factors:

1.The rising levels of marijuana use among young people.

2. The ACLU's disastrous campaign to end institutionalization of the mentally ill, making it impossible to hold persons for care until they actually hurt somebody, which they often do and are then sent to prisons unequipped to treat them.

3. The media (social and conventional) hype devoted to mass shooters and the copycats they create. Disturbed young men, being outsiders and loners, are particularly inspired by the publicity and sense of power they might attain by doing a mass killing.

We should focus our efforts there. Any progress in such areas would be highly salutary for society and likely reduce the incidence of mass shootings.

Tevi Troy recently pointed out that traditionally, U.S. presidents did not want to talk about mass shootings for the very good reason that it only encouraged potential copycats, and the media respected that. Bill Clinton, though, had to feel everyone's pain, so now every shooting is a cause for public spectacle with a presidential speech.

It's probably too much at this late date for President Trump to announce that the White House will no longer respond to news about mass shootings so as not to encourage copycats — or to ask media companies, especially social media firms, to voluntarily censor chatter about these incidents. (I would exempt actual print newspapers, because nobody under 60 still reads these.)

But at the very least, he should insist that any kind of new "red flag laws" should be limited to a real, medical diagnosis concerning the mental health of the accused, and if judicial supervision is found in order, it must include a rigorous and long-term program of drug testing.

When it comes to mass shootings it needs to be made clear: guns don't kill people. Political rhetoric doesn't kill people. Drug-fueled psychotics are what kill people.

Frank Friday is an attorney in Louisville, Ky.

I agree 100% with #2 and #3 but Marijuana has to many medical uses helps Cancer,pain and. soldiers with PTSD etc. I think they are either 2 or 3 that are trying different drugs in an attempt to self medicate and Marijuana is one of them. I also strongly agree any red flag laws be tied to verifiable mental illness. Marty
 

tiredretired

The Old Salt
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Any uses that are for legit medical purposes should be legal. If it helps sick folks, then I am all for it. Jeez, I can't be that big of an asshole, can I? :smileywac
 

300 H and H

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My bet is that these young shooters were on prescription something.... an anti depressant, or anti anxiety medication, or both.

Nearly every young mass shooter has been to the big Pharma counter, for stuff the school and Doctor told them would make them behave better... :hammer:

Side effects listed on these include suicidal thoughts and or wanting to harm others.

The pot argument is just a side show, IMHO... Prescription drugs are the real culprit, and have been for decades.

Regards, Kirk
 

Bannedjoe

Well-known member
I think the real reason for most of the troubles we see these days, including shooting like these, is that God has been kicked to the curb.
 

pirate_girl

legendary ⚓
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Meth, acid, and coke.
Weed isn't remotely a problem with people who do this.

The El Paso shooter's Father is a counselor who wrote a book about his own drug and alcohol dependency.
A week before Crusius killed those folks, his Mother allegedly expressed concern about her son owning that type of gun given his "maturity" level.
 

pirate_girl

legendary ⚓
GOLD Site Supporter
I think the real reason for most of the troubles we see these days, including shooting like these, is that God has been kicked to the curb.

Well yes, lack of morals and values.
If you don't fear anything on this earth or beyond- you feel free to act without any guilt or suffering any sort of punishment for such.
 

tiredretired

The Old Salt
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I think the real reason for most of the troubles we see these days, including shooting like these, is that God has been kicked to the curb.

Of course. It all started, the downward spiral, with taking prayer out of public schools. The liberals hate God, hate the family unit and want to drive the father figure out of picture entirely. Uncontrollable abortion, LGBTQLSMFTXYZ insanity. Mindless, fact less unfettered blind accusations with no basis in fact to demonize law abiding citizens and cower them into submission. Get the picture?

The culture war perpetuated by the left in this country sets out to destroy this country from within. No one is happier to see these shootings and murder rampages than the leftists. This is all part of the major plan. They feint disgust over the shootings while secretly cheering them on as their tool to disarm the population. 20, 30, 50 dead innocent people are merely the cost of doing business and a means to a greater end for them. Hatred with no limits or conscience is their order of the day.

If and when gun confiscation comes, it will not be performed by the police or military. It will be performed by the leftist goon squads like ANTIFA. It happened exactly like this in Venezuela, Nazi Germany, Cuba, etc. Those squads will be permitted to stay armed while the populace is not. Speaking in general terms and NOT for myself, as I am unarmed, the plus side of this will be it will be easier to shoot people like this than it ever would be a police officer or military person. They will find themselves in a very untenable position and will most likely be the catalyst for the next civil war, if things do not change. Scary times indeed.

There is NO such thing as a "Buy Back" program. The government cannot buy back something it never owned in the first place, no more than any of you can buy back my pickup truck you never owned in the first place. It is a thinly veiled sham attempt to sugar coat what it really is. CONFISCATION.

If you doubt any of this is true, take another look at what is going on right now and another look at history.
 
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Lenny

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A week before Crusius killed those folks, his Mother allegedly expressed concern about her son owning that type of gun given his "maturity" level.

Yes, and they want to put stricter gun laws on us becuase of their incompetence.
 

Lenny

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SUPER Site Supporter
I can't help thinking all of these shootings orchestrated, like Fast & Furious.

It's an excuse to take some of our guns rights AND divide the Republican Party. A LOT of the conservative voters will not vote for the senators and congress-critters who buy into this Red Flag crap!
 
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