Martial Law Imminent?

loboloco · Nov 24, 2011

mak2 said:
Both Hitler and Obama have the same political philosophy.

Really? How so?

Read the philosophies they both advocate. Basically, all Obama's political philosophy is, is National Socialism. Many people are confused as to what National socialism really represented and seem to think it is a 'rightist' philosophy. This is true only in comparison to the old Soviet Union or Communist China. Actually, Hitler made Castro look like a far right nutcase.

fogtender · Nov 24, 2011

joec said:
I for one also think he has failed however but he has also been correct and not completely wrong no more than previous presidents in our past.

My whole point is both sides have been wrong as much correct. The problem is they have finally done it, divided the country down to rooting for your own political team be it democrats or republicans using single issues to divide it. It has now become a sport and nothing more. Hate now has replace logic so most buy into conjecture if it is on their side be it one or the other and common sense and logic be damned.

Now as to why I called you foggy as you evidently didn't read or if you did didn't understand what I wrote. If you had you might of understood what I posted and take it as that. Like Kane though you have your mind made up as to where I'm coming from and don't have a clue really.

I don't hate anyone, but when Obama desires power and wants to bypass the Constitution, and that applies to any politician, and I don't care if they have an R or a D behind their name, if they try to or even succeed in passing a law that is deemed unconstitutional, then they should be removed from office for not upholding the oath they took to uphold the Constitution.

When Obama starts flying balloons of his own private defense force with the same power as the military, that puts him on the same level as Hitler. There isn't room for Misinterpreting him on that. He was very clear on his statement, so you are either with him or not. Your choice! You already said you don't trust police or the military, so that kinda paints you into a corner. Now we have th OWS crowd, which he supports and basically inspired with his rich against the poor speaches. Maybe he plans on enlisting them?

Kane · Nov 24, 2011

Comparing Obama to Hiltler is really too simple. We have to look at what Obama really is.

He is an anti-colonist that believes wholly in reparations and collective salvation. That said, he would intend to take America down a path that leads to social equality - that is, instead of equal opportunity for all, equal outcomes for all.

This is the heart of Marxism, and if it takes his brownshirts to do it, he would do it.

But only if we let him.
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joec · Nov 24, 2011

Then simply show me using facts not your preconceived notions where he exceeded his powers given by the constitution. Please, I would love to see where it happened.

mak2 · Nov 24, 2011

loboloco said:
Read the philosophies they both advocate. Basically, all Obama's political philosophy is, is National Socialism. Many people are confused as to what National socialism really represented and seem to think it is a 'rightist' philosophy. This is true only in comparison to the old Soviet Union or Communist China. Actually, Hitler made Castro look like a far right nutcase.

So Naziism and socialism are the same thing? I have heard Obama refered to many times as a socialist or a communist probably a thousand times on this site alone. Hitler was not a socialist or communist.

Obama is not a Hitler, he has broken no laws (that we know of) and he is not trying to overthrow the governement. More scary stories around the campfire.

loboloco · Nov 24, 2011

mak2 said:
So Naziism and socialism are the same thing? I have heard Obama refered to many times as a socialist or a communist probably a thousand times on this site alone. Hitler was not a socialist or communist.

Obama is not a Hitler, he has broken no laws (that we know of) and he is not trying to overthrow the governement. More scary stories around the campfire.

Sorry, but Hitler's philosophy was a form of socialism. It was slightly less restrictive n ownership and income redistribution, but most of Hitler's philosophy is practiced today in socialist countries. Universal healthcare, government control(not ownership) of businesses, wealth redistribution(except for certain people or causes), alternative fuels pursuit by the government, etc...
As I said, Mak. Read the philosophies, not the current action. Hitler did not overthrow the government either, he was duly elected and legally given the authority he used.

mak2 · Nov 24, 2011

loboloco said:
Sorry, but Hitler's philosophy was a form of socialism. It was slightly less restrictive n ownership and income redistribution, but most of Hitler's philosophy is practiced today in socialist countries. Universal healthcare, government control(not ownership) of businesses, wealth redistribution(except for certain people or causes), alternative fuels pursuit by the government, etc...
As I said, Mak. Read the philosophies, not the current action. Hitler did not overthrow the government either, he was duly elected and legally given the authority he used.

I think you really need to read the political and economical philosophies and compare and contrast Hitler and Obama. This is too basic and factual a point argue. Also, I never said Hitler overthrew anything. Where did that come from?

joec · Nov 24, 2011

so·cial·ism

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noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Or a more indepth version

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Hitler was a socialist dictator by the way.

Kane · Nov 24, 2011

joec said:
so·cial·ism

3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

BINGO>

Kane said: We have to look at what Obama really is.

He is an anti-colonist that believes wholly in reparations and collective salvation. That said, he would intend to take America down a path that leads to social equality - that is, instead of equal opportunity for all, equal outcomes for all.

This is the heart of Marxism.

joec · Nov 24, 2011

Kane said:
BINGO>

Please Kane show facts, you know the things you can prove about what Obama wants to do. Now I mean Obama not the Congress but him personally.

mak2 · Nov 24, 2011

Loco said Obama and Hitler the same political philosophy. They flat don't. I dont believe Obama is even very socialist, but he is certainly not a nazi. Hitler political philosophy was based on racism, nationalism and a hatred of communist. No where near what obama is accused of on this forum. So stating Obama and Hitler have the same philosophy is factually wrong.

Kane · Nov 24, 2011

joec said:
Please Kane show facts, you know the things you can prove about what Obama wants to do. Now I mean Obama not the Congress but him personally.

Oh come now, joec. Do we need to go thru Obama's life story again? It's been done too many times, and you've ignored it every time.

loboloco · Nov 24, 2011

Obama is not a Hitler, he has broken no laws (that we know of) and he is not trying to overthrow the governement. More scary stories around the campfire.

think you really need to read the political and economical philosophies and compare and contrast Hitler and Obama. This is too basic and factual a point argue. Also, I never said Hitler overthrew anything. Where did that come from?

Mak, maybe you should actually read MeinKampf. Maybe you should actually pay attention to what Hitler did in Germany rather than trying to deny the connections that do exist.
The only basic difference between National socialism and Marxist socialism was in "ownership" of businesses. Both exercised, at least in theory, absolute control of production. But, National Socialism did not exercise direct ownership.
You did not 'state' that Hitler overthrew the government, but you did, in the above statement, imply it.

Kane · Nov 24, 2011

Well, loboloco, you have your denier, I have mine. Alas.

mak2 · Nov 24, 2011

loboloco said:
Obama is not a Hitler, he has broken no laws (that we know of) and he is not trying to overthrow the governement. More scary stories around the campfire.

think you really need to read the political and economical philosophies and compare and contrast Hitler and Obama. This is too basic and factual a point argue. Also, I never said Hitler overthrew anything. Where did that come from?

Mak, maybe you should actually read MeinKampf. Maybe you should actually pay attention to what Hitler did in Germany rather than trying to deny the connections that do exist.
The only basic difference between National socialism and Marxist socialism was in "ownership" of businesses. Both exercised, at least in theory, absolute control of production. But, National Socialism did not exercise direct ownership.
You did not 'state' that Hitler overthrew the government, but you did, in the above statement, imply it.

Oh, I was addressing the OP about martial law. Who owns buisness is a pretty big deal.

joec · Nov 24, 2011

Kane said:
Oh come now, joec. Do we need to go thru Obama's life story again? It's been done too many times, and you've ignored it every time.

So I take that as an I don't know except your perceptions. Besides what does all this have to do with the OP or for that matter what I have posted in this tread?

loboloco · Nov 24, 2011

mak2 said:
Oh, I was addressing the OP about martial law. Who owns buisness is a pretty big deal.

Really? If you own a business, but are only allowed to produce what the government allows, who is in charge? If you are required to 'distribute' your earnings, who owns the business? Anytime the government steps in and dictates to the business what, how much and when it produces a product, you are in a socialist state.

Cowboy · Nov 24, 2011

All I know is its Thanksgiving , and you had better give thanks for what you have today, because you may not have it for much longer.

The majority of the "people" in the US know this from all sides, with the way the country is headed and it gets worse everyday. Theres probably plenty of proof of what is being said in this thread, but so much of it is being done in secret and through back door deals it only takes common sense to figure it out IMO .

That said, I hope you are all having a happy thanksgiving with your loved ones, it very well could be your last one. :sad:

loboloco · Nov 24, 2011

Kane said:
Well, loboloco, you have your denier, I have mine. Alas.

Nah, Mak just likes to argue to see the responses.

Kane · Nov 24, 2011

joec said:
So I take that as an I don't know except your perceptions. Besides what does all this have to do with the OP or for that matter what I have posted in this tread?

I've stated my position on martial law (see post #30) but it is you and mak2 that can't accept the connection between Obama and Marxism.

But really. Do we need to talk about the ant-colonist dreams "From My Father" again. Or twenty years of Black Liberation Theology and collective salvation? Again?

Do we need to show you AGAIN the reparations and wealth redistribution written into every piece of Obama legislation by Cass Sunstien and the Apollo Group? You didn't think Obama or Congress wrote that shit, did you?

Not gonna' do it again, joec. Because you are as blind as a sheeple, as you choose to ignore the evident.

mak2 · Nov 24, 2011

Well, it is a debate and discussion forum. There are only 2 of us left so I gotta say something evry once in a while. Again though, Obama is not Hitler. I have told you why I beleive that, you want talk about varations of socialism or level of totalitarianism, that is fine. But obama is not hitler, there are really no FEMA camps. Really.

loboloco said:
Nah, Mak just likes to argue to see the responses.

loboloco · Nov 24, 2011

mak2 said:
Well, it is a debate and discussion forum. There are only 2 of us left so I gotta say something evry once in a while. Again though, Obama is not Hitler. I have told you why I beleive that, you want talk about varations of socialism or level of totalitarianism, that is fine. But obama is not hitler, there are really no FEMA camps. Really.

In his actions, no, not yet. In his political philosophy, pretty much.

loboloco · Nov 24, 2011

By the way Mak, and Joe, I think a lot of both of you. You both state what you believe. I hope you and everyone else here, have had a Happy Thanksgiving.

mak2 · Nov 24, 2011

You too lobo.

Hey, wait, what do you mean by a lot? :biggrin:

loboloco said:
By the way Mak, and Joe, I think a lot of both of you. You both state what you believe. I hope you and everyone else here, have had a Happy Thanksgiving.

fogtender · Nov 24, 2011

mak2 said:
Obama is not a Hitler, he has broken no laws (that we know of) and he is not trying to overthrow the governement. More scary stories around the campfire.

Well the jury is out on it right now, but "Fast and Furious", may in fact be a pretty big one. His office seems to have supported it and is now trying to blame Bush... Problem is that Bush's program involved the Mexican Government, where Obama's operation is pushing guns over the boarder to blame Americans to push gun control and it's falling apart as we talk about it. Nixon only stole documents, nobody got killed, unlike F&F has. Clinton played with cigars...

joec · Nov 24, 2011

Kane said:
I've stated my position on martial law (see post #30) but it is you and mak2 that can't accept the connection between Obama and Marxism.

But really. Do we need to talk about the ant-colonist dreams "From My Father" again. Or twenty years of Black Liberation Theology and collective salvation? Again?

Do we need to show you AGAIN the reparations and wealth redistribution written into every piece of Obama legislation by Cass Sunstien and the Apollo Group? You didn't think Obama wrote that shit, did you?

Not gonna' do it again, joec. Because you are as blind as a sheeple, as you choose to ignore the evident.

Now perhaps you can read this slowly for a change. I don't agree with much of what Obama does and a have clearly stated so. However I also don't agree with the attitude he is the anti christ or some other such thing. He is not much different than Bush really since he kept most of his people and pretty much followed his lead. I didn't vote for him nor will I next time.

My problem is the sheeple as you put it really seems to be mostly on the right. I'm of the belief that the fact we have been divided as a country into these camps, will be our down fall at the hands of the very elected officials the real sheeple elect. The last 3 president have won elections because people would like to have a beer with them but didn't hear but not a word about what they believed in other than catch phrases. As a country we no vote based on 30 second sound bites and little else or some talking head telling us what we want to hear because we agree right or wrong.

Now if you want to make it a personal attack on me which I've have tried very hard not to do then have at it. You know nothing about me at all nor will you ever. You don't seem to have an understanding of simply common courtesy based on the tone of most of your posts aimed at me even if I am agreeing with your point of view. So if you will please either stop addressing me and put me on ignore or at least act like an adult.

joec · Nov 24, 2011

loboloco said:
By the way Mak, and Joe, I think a lot of both of you. You both state what you believe. I hope you and everyone else here, have had a Happy Thanksgiving.

Back at you loboloco. :flowers:

And my Dolphins managed to lose to Dallas just a moment ago also.

loboloco · Nov 24, 2011

joec said:
Back at you loboloco. And my Dolphins managed to lose to Dallas just a moment ago also.

Umm, you do realize that watching football is similar to mental masturbation?

Kane · Nov 24, 2011

joec said:
Now perhaps you can read this slowly for a change. I don't agree with much of what Obama does and a have clearly stated so. However I also don't agree with the attitude he is the anti christ or some other such thing. He is not much different than Bush really since he kept most of his people and pretty much followed his lead. I didn't vote for him nor will I next time.

My problem is the sheeple as you put it really seems to be mostly on the right. I'm of the belief that the fact we have been divided as a country into these camps, will be our down fall at the hands of the very elected officials the real sheeple elect. The last 3 president have won elections because people would like to have a beer with them but didn't hear but not a word about what they believed in other than catch phrases. As a country we no vote based on 30 second sound bites and little else or some talking head telling us what we want to hear because we agree right or wrong.

Now if you want to make it a personal attack on me which I've have tried very hard not to do then have at it. You know nothing about me at all nor will you ever. You don't seem to have an understanding of simply common courtesy based on the tone of most of your posts aimed at me even if I am agreeing with your point of view. So if you will please either stop addressing me and put me on ignore or at least act like an adult.

No, joec. You ignore every bit of dirt I put in front of you. So then give me your take on the influence of Obama's father. Give me your take on 20 years of collective salvation. Give me your take on the Apollo Group. Give me your take on Cass Sunstein. This is Obama.

Don't just ignore it AGAIN and then claim your feelings are hurt.

joec · Nov 24, 2011

Kane said:
No, joec. You ignore every bit of dirt I put in front of you. So then give me your take on the influence of Obama's father. Give me your take on 20 years of collective salvation. Give me your take on the Apollo Group. Give me your take on Cass Sunstein.

Don't just ignore it AGAIN and then claim your feelings are hurt.

None of that crap means much really, especially in regards to the OP we are discussing at the moment nor the comments I posted here in that regard. Oh and your opinion at this point isn't important enough to me to begin to hurt my feelings. Now I will simply end this discussion with you.

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