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Default Luke 9:58

Luke 9:58 Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”


That doesn't see to be the case with Joel Osteen:

http://picturejoliet.com/joel-osteen-house/

I was going to post that I don't judge him. But I won't add lying to being judgemental.
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Luke 9:58 Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens and birds have nests,
but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head.”

That doesn't see to be the case with Joel Osteen:

http://picturejoliet.com/joel-osteen-house/

I was going to post that I don't judge him. But I won't
add lying to being judgemental.
I am wondering how you handle and explain, say, Job and Abraham
as applied to the principle you are using to object to the wealth of
Joel Osteen? (Joel by the way, takes no salary and makes his money
from selling his books, just as does Bill O'Reilly and just about every
other well known celebrity.)

"There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man
was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil. Seven
sons and three daughters were born to him. His possessions also were
7,000 sheep, 3,000 camels, 500 yoke of oxen, 500 female donkeys, and
very many servants; and that man was the greatest of all the men of
the east." Job chapter one.

Job was a very wealthy man.

Then at the end of the book, the Sovereign God increased Job's wealth,
so that he was more wealthy than he was previously.

So was Abraham. Abraham had riches and money galore and Abraham
is one of the hero's of the Christian faith in for example the book of
Romans where Paul says that Abraham is the father of all those that believe.

Yet the Sovereign God made Abraham a very wealthy man. He had money
and riches in great abundance.

So why do you have a problem with Joel Osteen being wealthy? But not
a problem with Job and Abraham being wealthy?

____________

Then there is the issue of the some 115,000,000 households in the
United States and the fact that men with families cannot survive if
they try to live in the woods or in some abandoned farm field. They
must have a house to live in. And a man and wife with, say, three
children, would need some 2000 to 2500 square feet of housing. What
would that cost today in America in say New York state? It would not
be cheap -- and we know that marriage and raising children are part
of God's plan for the human race.

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I am wondering how you handle and explain, say, Job and Abraham
as applied to the principle you are using to object to the wealth of
Joel Osteen? (Joel by the way, takes no salary and makes his money
from selling his books, just as does Bill O'Reilly and just about every
other well known celebrity.)

"There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man
was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil. Seven
sons and three daughters were born to him. His possessions also were
7,000 sheep, 3,000 camels, 500 yoke of oxen, 500 female donkeys, and
very many servants; and that man was the greatest of all the men of
the east." Job chapter one.

Job was a very wealthy man.

Then at the end of the book, the Sovereign God increased Job's wealth,
so that he was more wealthy than he was previously.

So was Abraham. Abraham had riches and money galore and Abraham
is one of the hero's of the Christian faith in for example the book of
Romans where Paul says that Abraham is the father of all those that believe.

Yet the Sovereign God made Abraham a very wealthy man. He had money
and riches in great abundance.

So why do you have a problem with Joel Osteen being wealthy? But not
a problem with Job and Abraham being wealthy?

____________

Then there is the issue of the some 115,000,000 households in the
United States and the fact that men with families cannot survive if
they try to live in the woods or in some abandoned farm field. They
must have a house to live in. And a man and wife with, say, three
children, would need some 2000 to 2500 square feet of housing. What
would that cost today in America in say New York state? It would not
be cheap -- and we know that marriage and raising children are part
of God's plan for the human race.

Talk to me.
Because that seems to be his main focus. I am just wondering if he was put through something like Job was if he would still have his faith?
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... Then there is the issue of the some 115,000,000 households in the United States and the fact that men with families cannot survive if they try to live in the woods or in some abandoned farm field.
Where in the world did you get this idea? While it may apply to some people, particularly those living in the conclaves of the "Elites" on the coast and big cities, it does not apply to most of the people out here in Flyover Nation! Self reliance is not a lost art here. I'm no longer young and in good shape but if TSHTF/TEOTWAWKI I still have the skills to keep my family safe, warm, and fed; we'd all lose a few pounds I suspect, but that wouldn't be all bad! The only major downside would be what to do with the bodies of those unprepared folks who decided their best bet was to take what we have.
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They must have a house to live in. And a man and wife with, say, three children, would need some 2000 to 2500 square feet of housing
Need that much space? Once again it may be true that the Coastal Elites feel they need (and deserve!) that much space, but that doesn't make it true. There are many families that large, and larger, that are living in less space than that and are quite happy. While it might be nice for everyone to have 400 to 500 square feet to call their own, it is certainly not a need! Our forebears raised large families in cabins often measuring 10 feet by 10 feet. Bigger is certainly nice but necessary? Not really.
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Because that seems to be his main focus.
"Seems to be" is very subjective.

Osteen has denied that wealth his is main focus. and for us to
nonetheless say we know wealth is his main focus, is more than
we humans can truthfully say --- because we would then have to
be able to judge Osteen's heart's motives, and only God can do
that.

You didn't say you knew it was true, you merely said it "seems
to be" his main focus. And "seems to be" means that it might not
be his main focus.

I have listened to Osteen quite a bit and what I hear him focus
upon is hope and faith and victorious living. I have never heard
Osteen focus on any kind of "promise of getting money" if you
do "this or that." He continually talks about HOPE and FAITH and
VICTORIOUS living.

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I am just wondering if he was put through something like
Job was if he would still have his faith?
We can legitimately wonder that about any Christian. I sure do
not know what I would do if the Lord "Job'd me" --- I expect I
would be praying for Mercy and Grace to be able to bear up under
that kind of suffering. I expect all we Christians would be just like
that.

________


There are over 2,000,000,000 Christians in the world, and a
significant percentage of them are very wealthy and have
far more wealth than does Joel Osteen.


I do know that some "television preachers" are false "prosperity
gospel" preachers, but I see no evidence that Osteen is one of
them.

Then again, my point that the Bible records that several of the
Christian hero's of the faith were VERY WEALTHY men, still stands.
Abraham, Job, Solomon, David, Jacob, Isaac, etc had MONEY
galore given to them by God Himself --- so I do not see a problem
with Christian people being wealthy.

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Where in the world did you get this idea? While it may apply to some people, particularly those living in the conclaves of the "Elites" on the coast and big cities, it does not apply to most of the people out here in Flyover Nation! Self reliance is not a lost art here. I'm no longer young and in good shape but if TSHTF/TEOTWAWKI I still have the skills to keep my family safe, warm, and fed; we'd all lose a few pounds I suspect, but that wouldn't be all bad! The only major downside would be what to do with the bodies of those unprepared folks who decided their best bet was to take what we have.
Need that much space? Once again it may be true that the Coastal Elites feel they need (and deserve!) that much space, but that doesn't make it true. There are many families that large, and larger, that are living in less space than that and are quite happy. While it might be nice for everyone to have 400 to 500 square feet to call their own, it is certainly not a need! Our forebears raised large families in cabins often measuring 10 feet by 10 feet. Bigger is certainly nice but necessary? Not really.Please don't think I'm some nutcase who loves hardship; nothing could be further from the truth. I'm neither optimist nor pessimist but realist: someone who understands that our country is precariously balanced on a knife-point, and could teeter and fall with amazing speed. And as a society, we're woefully unprepared.

Hey, now THAT was a cool post. You are THE MAN.

I hear ya!

And that was some very cool acronym work there too.
TSHTF - The Feces Hit The Fan . . . lol . .
TEOTWAWKI - The End Of The World As We Know It.
I grinned broadly .


And this was a cool line too:

"The only major downside would be what to do
with the bodies of those unprepared folks who
decided their best bet was to take what we
have."__Danang Sailor

Thanks for your comments. I enjoyed reading
your post.


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