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Who will win the coming civil war?

300 H and H

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http://gawker.com/who-will-win-the-upcoming-civil-war-1783675459

Cooke; Photos via Getty
With racial tensions, inequality, and populist rage set to boil over, some fear America could be on the path to a violent confrontation between the angry Trumpies and the equally angry lefties. Before we decide to start this war, we must ask: who would win?
As police shootings and street protests stoke a national climate already heated by xenophobia, terror attacks, and the unexpected success of an anti-everything brand of politics not seen in generations, many have compared 2016 to 1968, a year marked by assassinations, riots, and questions about the continued success of the American experiment. It is still early, though. By the time this is all over we may be more inclined to compare 2016 to 1860, when half of America got so pissed at the other half that a bloody civil war ensued.
This, of course, is the worst case scenario. But it’s always good to plan ahead.
The Combatants
On the Right: Low-income white workers who were on the losing end of globalization and have become convinced that immigrants and non-white people are to blame; Billionaires; White nationalists; Angry grandpas; Fearful grandmas; Survivalists; Fox News viewers; “Car guys”; Inveterate racists who have no excuse.
On the Left: Black Lives Matter activists; Bernie Sanders voters; Aging hippies; College students and professors; Legal and illegal immigrants of all nationalities; Occupy-style perma-activists; Confused self-identified pacifists.
Strengths
On the Right: They own more guns. They may also be able to claim a higher percentage of military veterans and law enforcement officers in their ranks. They are more willing to blindly follow a charismatic leader into battle, leading to a more coherent fighting force. They watch a lot of UFC. They carry the revolutionary zeal of notable groups like the Confederacy and the Nazi Party.
On the Left: They have a higher average education level, which could be useful for designing bombs and crafty booby traps. They have a younger average age, making them more physically fit on average. They carry the revolutionary zeal of notable groups like the Maoists and the Khmer Rouge.
Weaknesses
On the Right: High proportion of elderly crackpots could hold back fighting units when traveling for speed and distance. High proportion of rural residents could be a drawback in urban battles, when skills like navigating sidewalks and subways are necessary. Anti-intellectual tendencies could result in hostility towards “outside the box” guerilla tactics. Affinity for Donald Trump holds no combat value whatsoever.
On the Left: Widespread lack of military or contact sport experience could lead to panic in the ranks when the violence begins. High proportion of urban residents could be a drawback in rural battles, when skills like living off the land or not being scared of bugs are necessary. Reggae music is an ineffective pre-war motivational tool.
Tactics
On the Right: Mass shootings. Head-on assaults on mosques, quinceanera parties, and college dorms. Lots of gunfire, everywhere. Occasional arson of libraries (they haven’t figured out the internet stuff yet).
On the Left: Guerilla warfare. Elaborate ruses designed to entrap jeeps full of enemies into concealed pits. Hit-and-run attacks on churches, VFW halls, and high-rise office buildings. Lots of Molotov cocktails, homemade spears, and gunfire that is somewhat sporadic due to relatively low gun ownership in this fighting cohort.
The Outlook
The Left’s purist ideology and youthful vigor will inevitably wane under the withering fire of The Right’s mob-like bloodlust and superior weaponry. The inevitable ugliness of the conflict will tend to erode the morale on The Left, where philosophical approval of violence is mixed at best, whereas the religious and racial zealots of The Right will only grow more emboldened, easily integrating this new war into their longstanding intellectual framework of patriotic genocide of The Other. We can expect that the next civil war, like the last one, would be explosive, bloody, and long. But we can’t expect that the good guys would win this time around. In the final calculus, The Left is better off parlaying its domination of the media into social victories that can be leveraged for peaceful political gain. It’s the only real choice, unless we all want to get massacred.
Now what we need to do is take away their guns...

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Notice the last sentence. Take away our guns. :hammer:

Regards, Kirk
 

300 H and H

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Reasonably funny analysis.

Correct to I assume. The left would loose, sooner that the author suggests, in my opinion.

Unfortunately we may have to find out how this ends, if there is war inside our country.

Regards, Kirk
 

300 H and H

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Here is another take....

America's Second Civil War




By Dennis Prager
January 24, 2017
It is time for our society to acknowledge a sad truth: America is currently fighting its second Civil War.
In fact, with the obvious and enormous exception of attitudes toward slavery, Americans are more divided morally, ideologically and politically today than they were during the Civil War. For that reason, just as the Great War came to be known as World War I once there was World War II, the Civil War will become known as the First Civil War when more Americans come to regard the current battle as the Second Civil War.

This Second Civil War, fortunately, differs in another critically important way: It has thus far been largely nonviolent. But given increasing left-wing violence, such as riots, the taking over of college presidents' offices and the illegal occupation of state capitols, nonviolence is not guaranteed to be a permanent characteristic of the Second Civil War.
There are those on both the left and right who call for American unity. But these calls are either naive or disingenuous. Unity was possible between the right and liberals, but not between the right and the left.
Liberalism -- which was anti-left, pro-American and deeply committed to the Judeo-Christian foundations of America; and which regarded the melting pot as the American ideal, fought for free speech for its opponents, regarded Western civilization as the greatest moral and artistic human achievement and viewed the celebration of racial identity as racism -- is now affirmed almost exclusively on the right and among a handful of people who don't call themselves conservative.

The left, however, is opposed to every one of those core principles of liberalism.
Like the left in every other country, the left in America essentially sees America as a racist, xenophobic, colonialist, imperialist, warmongering, money-worshipping, moronically religious nation.
Just as in Western Europe, the left in America seeks to erase America's Judeo-Christian foundations. The melting pot is regarded as nothing more than an anti-black, anti-Muslim, anti-Hispanic meme. The left suppresses free speech wherever possible for those who oppose it, labeling all non-left speech "hate speech." To cite only one example, if you think Shakespeare is the greatest playwright or Bach is the greatest composer, you are a proponent of dead white European males and therefore racist.
Without any important value held in common, how can there be unity between left and non-left? Obviously, there cannot.

There will be unity only when the left vanquishes the right or the right vanquishes the left. Using the First Civil War analogy, American unity was achieved only after the South was vanquished and slavery was abolished.
How are those of us who oppose left-wing nihilism -- there is no other word for an ideology that holds Western civilization and America's core values in contempt -- supposed to unite with "educators" who instruct elementary school teachers to cease calling their students "boys" and "girls" because that implies gender identity? With English departments that don't require reading Shakespeare in order to receive a degree in English? With those who regard virtually every war America has fought as imperialist and immoral? With those who regard the free market as a form of oppression? With those who want the state to control as much of American life as possible? With those who repeatedly tell America and its black minority that the greatest problems afflicting black Americans are caused by white racism, "white privilege" and "systemic racism"? With those who think that the nuclear family ideal is inherently misogynistic and homophobic? With those who hold that Israel is the villain in the Middle East? With those who claim that the term "Islamic terrorist" is an expression of religious bigotry?
The third significant difference between the First and Second Civil Wars is that in the Second Civil war, one side has been doing nearly all the fighting. That is how it has been able to take over schools -- from elementary schools, to high schools, to universities -- and indoctrinate America's young people; how it has taken over nearly all the news media; and how it has taken over entertainment media.
The conservative side has lost on every one of these fronts because it has rarely fought back with anything near the ferocity with which the left fights. Name a Republican politician who has run against the left as opposed to running solely against his or her Democratic opponent. And nearly all American conservatives, people who are proud of America and affirm its basic tenets, readily send their children to schools that indoctrinate their children against everything the parents hold precious. A mere handful protest when their child's teacher ceases calling their son a boy or their daughter a girl, or makes "slave owner" the defining characteristic of the Founding Fathers.
With the defeat of the left in the last presidential election, the defeat of the left in two-thirds of the gubernatorial elections and the defeat of the left in a majority of House and Senate elections, this is likely the last chance liberals, conservatives and the right have to defeat the American left. But it will not happen until these groups understand that we are fighting for the survival of America no less than the Union troops were in the First Civil War.
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Says we should get mad dog serious if we want to keep America, America...

Regards, Kirk
 

Melensdad

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Dennis Prager is one of the current premier logical conservative thinkers out there. I like to read his analysis.
 

jimbo

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http://gawker.com/who-will-win-the-upcoming-civil-war-1783675459

Cooke; Photos via Getty
With racial tensions, inequality, and populist rage set to boil over, some fear America could be on the path to a violent confrontation between the angry Trumpies and the equally angry lefties. Before we decide to start this war, we must ask: who would win?
As police shootings and street protests stoke a national climate already heated by xenophobia, terror attacks, and the unexpected success of an anti-everything brand of politics not seen in generations, many have compared 2016 to 1968, a year marked by assassinations, riots, and questions about the continued success of the American experiment. It is still early, though. By the time this is all over we may be more inclined to compare 2016 to 1860, when half of America got so pissed at the other half that a bloody civil war ensued.
This, of course, is the worst case scenario. But it’s always good to plan ahead.
The Combatants
On the Right: Low-income white workers who were on the losing end of globalization and have become convinced that immigrants and non-white people are to blame; Billionaires; White nationalists; Angry grandpas; Fearful grandmas; Survivalists; Fox News viewers; “Car guys”; Inveterate racists who have no excuse.
On the Left: Black Lives Matter activists; Bernie Sanders voters; Aging hippies; College students and professors; Legal and illegal immigrants of all nationalities; Occupy-style perma-activists; Confused self-identified pacifists.
Strengths
On the Right: They own more guns. They may also be able to claim a higher percentage of military veterans and law enforcement officers in their ranks. They are more willing to blindly follow a charismatic leader into battle, leading to a more coherent fighting force. They watch a lot of UFC. They carry the revolutionary zeal of notable groups like the Confederacy and the Nazi Party.
On the Left: They have a higher average education level, which could be useful for designing bombs and crafty booby traps. They have a younger average age, making them more physically fit on average. They carry the revolutionary zeal of notable groups like the Maoists and the Khmer Rouge.
Weaknesses
On the Right: High proportion of elderly crackpots could hold back fighting units when traveling for speed and distance. High proportion of rural residents could be a drawback in urban battles, when skills like navigating sidewalks and subways are necessary. Anti-intellectual tendencies could result in hostility towards “outside the box” guerilla tactics. Affinity for Donald Trump holds no combat value whatsoever.
On the Left: Widespread lack of military or contact sport experience could lead to panic in the ranks when the violence begins. High proportion of urban residents could be a drawback in rural battles, when skills like living off the land or not being scared of bugs are necessary. Reggae music is an ineffective pre-war motivational tool.
Tactics
On the Right: Mass shootings. Head-on assaults on mosques, quinceanera parties, and college dorms. Lots of gunfire, everywhere. Occasional arson of libraries (they haven’t figured out the internet stuff yet).
On the Left: Guerilla warfare. Elaborate ruses designed to entrap jeeps full of enemies into concealed pits. Hit-and-run attacks on churches, VFW halls, and high-rise office buildings. Lots of Molotov cocktails, homemade spears, and gunfire that is somewhat sporadic due to relatively low gun ownership in this fighting cohort.
The Outlook
The Left’s purist ideology and youthful vigor will inevitably wane under the withering fire of The Right’s mob-like bloodlust and superior weaponry. The inevitable ugliness of the conflict will tend to erode the morale on The Left, where philosophical approval of violence is mixed at best, whereas the religious and racial zealots of The Right will only grow more emboldened, easily integrating this new war into their longstanding intellectual framework of patriotic genocide of The Other. We can expect that the next civil war, like the last one, would be explosive, bloody, and long. But we can’t expect that the good guys would win this time around. In the final calculus, The Left is better off parlaying its domination of the media into social victories that can be leveraged for peaceful political gain. It’s the only real choice, unless we all want to get massacred.
Now what we need to do is take away their guns...

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Notice the last sentence. Take away our guns. :hammer:

Regards, Kirk

Hamilton Nolan is about as far left as any writer around. Some of his other writings:

https://kinja.com/hamilton_nolan

The article posted is mostly wishful thinking and the presumptuous notion that the left is made up of intellectuals who will win on intellect alone. And the right is mostly knuckle draggers . Both seriously flawed assumptions that will get liberals killed in a couple days.

Trying to take even a few guns will start the new civil war. It won't happen.
 

FrancSevin

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I cannot fathom who might win. Only who will lose.

Here's my take on it,

I believe the addiction of our progeny to Drugs and Video Gaming represents more of a danger to the Republic than old statues honoring men and women of principle.

The young of today are so malleable and docile, they remind me of old Western movies where the cattle were stampeded through towns, taking down everything in their path. After which John Wayne gets up close and personal with his protagonist and wins for the good side by committing felonies as he bellows various violations of political correctness.

All whilst the civic leaders wring their hands with impotent intentions.

That is quite likely how our second civil war will happen. Tell me you don't see the signs.
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The losers will be those who obey the law and stand with the principles which made our nation a good, moral country who's shining light once led the world from darkness. A nation which then turned off the light of freedom and turned on to itself.
 

Catavenger

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I won't even conjecture who will "win." If Civil War happens we we all lose.
United we stand, divided we fall.
I pray to GOD we don't have a Civil War.
 

mla2ofus

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We all pray also, Cat!! I truly believe the left is pushing as many buttons as possible to bring this to a head. With so many politicians coming to heel with the left I fear the conflict is getting too close for comfort!!
Mike
 

leadarrows

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http://www.usarmy4life.com/george-soros-i-will-take-down-president-trump-for-the-nwo/


At The World Economic Forum in Davos, billionaire globalist, George Soros, has threatened to “take down President Trump” to fulfill the New World Orders plans for “financial armageddon”.


Speaking at the exclusive convention in the Swiss Alps for high ranking politicians and corporation heads, which many believe is actually a secret Illuminati meeting,

Soros vowed to destroy Trump’s entire agenda.Soros, a Hillary Clinton supporter and DNC funder, is reported to have lost almost $1 billion as the stock market rallied following news that Donald Trump was elected president.

YNW reports: Speaking to a packed audience at his annual dinner at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Soros warned large multinational corporations to hold off from doing any business in the United States until he’s ended Trump’s presidency – or else face the consequences.

Asked what advice he would give to businesses preparing for the impact of the new presidency, he said, “I’d keep as far away from it as I can“.

The hedge fund manager and convicted felon, who initially became famous for having made $1bn by betting on the devaluation of the pound in 1992, is reported to have lost close to a $1bn after the stock market rallied following Trump’s win.

Mr. Soros attributed the rise in the markets to Mr. Trump’s pledge to cut regulation and taxes but told the elite gathered at the World Economic Forum that the good times under Trump wouldn’t last.

Soros said that after Trump takes office – in under 24 hours – “reality will prevail“.Soros, a Jewish Nazi collaborator, said he was confident Mr. Trump’s powers would be limited by Congress. “He won’t be able to get away with being a dictator,” he added.

Soros’s comments to the international economic elite in Switzerland come after Wall Street analysts have begun referring to him as a “wounded beast” and warned that he is “hell bent on revenge” after his candidate failed to win the election.

Pundits and market analysts have been keeping a close eye on the “wounded beast” in recent weeks to determine his next move and reports are now emerging that the funds Soros wasted on Clinton are set to be dwarfed by the amount of money he is now spending on the bond market.

The plan is to create “financial Armageddon and unleash hell“, driving the Western world, and in particular the United States, to the edge of ruin. Out of the flames a phoenix will rise and this will be Soros’ vision of the New World Order.

Soros believes the market is Trump’s weak point. He claims Trump has “no chance” of surviving his upcoming market assault, gloating that the future POTUS will be destroyed and unable to focus on making America great again.
 

tiredretired

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Interesting read!! What the hell is a "cis" white male??
Mike

Me, for one. From Wikipedia:

Cisgender (often abbreviated to simply cis) is a term for people whose gender identity matches the sex that they were assigned at birth. Cisgender may also be defined as those who have "a gender identity or perform a gender role society considers appropriate for one's sex".[1] It is the opposite of the term transgender.[2]


There is currently a petition before the White House urging President Trump to declare ANTIFA as a terrorist organization. I urge one and all to sign it. We all need to do our damnedest to stop this cancer from spreading. We need 47,000 more signatures.

https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-united-states-declare-antifa-a-terrorist-organization
 

rugerman

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Hope it never comes to a civil war, but if it does I believe that the right/conservatives will win. The liberals have a whole bunch of folks who are against guns so they have no experience with them, and many of them are as afraid if a gun as they are a rattle snake. So if there is a civil war a southern redneck is our secret weapon.
 

mla2ofus

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And here I find I've been a cis all these years and didn't know it!! Thanks, TR, I'm sure glad I got my gender identity confirmed. Now I won't have to let all the trannies try to confuse me, LOL!!
If lead arrows post #16 is true that's some crazy insane shit!! Yes I did sign the petition. It's a f**ked up world when you have to side against something the nazi's fought against, but I firmly believe that's what needs done. Our little town could really open a can of whupass 'cause I'm sure there are far more bows, pistols and rifles here than people and probably 90% are conservative.

I wish I was computer smart enough to figure how to post the petition link to emails. I tried and the link wound up on email with about 10 full lines of gobbledygook.
Mike
 
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mla2ofus

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BTW, leadarrows, I should let you know I take anything I see on the web with a grain of salt until I can verify it with reliable and trustworthy sources. I researched antifa today and couldn't find anything like your post#16. Is this something you have in hand, and if so have you verified it? If you've verified it as true I'd like to be able to print it off to show friends. Trust me, I'm as far from antifa as is possible!!!
Mike
 

leadarrows

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I provided the link to where I found it. Honestly the cup stain worries me a little like it was put there to make it look more legit...all I can say is it sure looks like it fits their actions.
Then there is this.
 

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leadarrows

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BTW, leadarrows, I should let you know I take anything I see on the web with a grain of salt until I can verify it with reliable and trustworthy sources. I researched antifa today and couldn't find anything like your post#16. Is this something you have in hand, and if so have you verified it? If you've verified it as true I'd like to be able to print it off to show friends. Trust me, I'm as far from antifa as is possible!!!
Mike
Well they say it is only to be shared with trusted people so why would you have expected to find it posted on their site?
 
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