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Doc

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Received this as a forward from a friend. While I am not able to

authenticate it with Snopes, it has the "look and feel" of being the

real deal.

Interesting to note the praise for the .45 cal. pistol. IIRC, this

weapon was developed as the result of the need for "stopping power," a

need realized in the fighting against the guerillas of the Philippine

Insurrection. Many of these guerillas were Moro (i.e., Muslim) fanatics

fighting the U.S. occupation of their country. History repeating

itself...





"There's no such thing as a soul. It's just something they made up to

scare kids, like the boogeyman or Michael Jackson."

- Bart Simpson



----- Original Message -----

> Hello to all my fellow gunners, military buffs, veterans and

interested

> guys. A couple of weekends ago I got to spend time with my son

Jordan,

> who was on his first leave since returning from Iraq. He is well (a

> little thin), and already bored. He will be returning to Iraq for a

> second tour in early '06 and has already re-enlisted early for 4 more

> years.

> He loves

> the Marine Corps and is actually looking forward to returning to Iraq.

>

> Jordan spent 7 months at "Camp Blue Diamond" in Ramadi. Aka: Fort

> Apache. He saw and did a lot and the following is what he told me

about

> weapons, equipment, tactics and other miscellaneous info which may be

of

> interest to you. Nothing is by any means classified. No politics

here,

> just a Marine with a bird's eye view ... opinions:

>

> 1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the

> talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan

> says you feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The

M-4

> carbine version is more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but

it

> has jamming problems also. They like the ability to mount the various

> optical gunsights and weapons lights on the picattiny rails, but the

> weapon itself is not great in a desert environment. They all hate

the

> 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor

> penetration on the cinderblock structure common over there and even

> torso hits cant be reliably counted on to put the enemy down. Fun

fact:

> Random autopsies on dead insurgents shows a high level of opiate use.

>

> 2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): .223 cal. Drum fed light

> machine gun. Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of

shit.

> Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly.

> (that's fun in the middle of a firefight).

>

>

> 3) The M9 Beretta 9mm: Mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in desert

> environment; but they all hate the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns

> for self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the

9mm:

> Bad guys hit multiple times and still in the fight.

>

> 4) Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun: Works well, used frequently for

> clearing houses to good effect.

>

> 5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun,

> developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon that

was!!).

> Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts 'em down.

> Originally developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are

> being dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62 round

> chews up the structure over there.

>

> 6) The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. "Ma deuce"

> is still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight

> stopper, puts their dicks in the dirt every time. The most coveted

> weapon in-theater.

>

> 7) The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out

there.

> Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands

on

> one. With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put 'em down

with

> a torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol

> work) use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old

> government model .45's are being re-issued en masse.

>

> 8) The M-14: Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in

a

> modified version to special ops guys. Modifications include

lightweight

> Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in

> the sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.

>

> 9) The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular

range

> and accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take

out

> vehicle suicide bombers ( we actually stop a lot of them) and

barricaded

> enemy. Definitely here to stay.

>

> 10) The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. Mostly in .308 but some in 300

> win mag. Heavily modified Remington 700's. Great performance.

Snipers

> have been used heavily to great effect. Rumor has it that a marine

> sniper on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded

Carlos

> Hathcock's record for confirmed kills with OVER 100.

>

> 11) The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6

lbs.

> and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will

> stop an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as shit to wear, almost

> unbearable in the summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees).

Also,

> the enemy now goes for head shots whenever possible. All the bullshit

> about the "old" body armor making our guys vulnerable to the IED's was

a

> non-starter. The IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't

> make any difference at all in most cases.

>

> 12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up. Spectacular

> performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period.

Very

> little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more enemy being

> whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've

all

> seen the videos.

>

> 13) Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal

lights

> are Surefire's, and the troops love 'em. Invaluable for night urban

> operations. Jordan carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and

loved

> it.

>

> I cant help but notice that most of the good fighting weapons and

> ordnance are 50 or more years old!!!!!!!!! With all our technology,

it's

> the

> WWII and Vietnam era weapons that everybody wants!!!! The infantry

> fighting

> is frequent, up close and brutal. No quarter is given or shown.

>

> Bad guy weapons:

>

> 1) Mostly AK47's The entire country is an arsenal. Works better in

> the desert than the M16 and the .308 Russian round kills reliably.

PKM

> belt

> fed light machine guns are also common and effective. Luckily, the

> enemy mostly shoots like shit. Undisciplined "spray and pray" type

> fire. However, they are seeing more and more precision weapons,

> especially sniper rifles. (Iran, again) Fun fact: Captured enemy

have

> apparently marveled at

> the marksmanship of our guys and how hard they fight. They are

apparently

> told in Jihad school that the Americans rely solely on technology, and

> can be easily beaten in close quarters combat for their lack of

> toughness. Let's just say they know better now.

>

> 2) The RPG: Probably the infantry weapon most feared by our guys.

> Simple, reliable and as common as dogshit. The enemy responded to our

> up-armored humvees by aiming at the windshields, often at point blank

> range. Still killing a lot of our guys.

>

> 3) The IED: The biggest killer of all. Can be anything from old

> Soviet anti-armor mines to jury rigged artillery shells. A lot found

in

> Jordan's area were in abandoned cars. The enemy would take 2 or 3

155mm

> artillery shells and wire them together. Most were detonated by cell

> phone, and the explosions are enormous. You're not safe in any

vehicle,

> even an M1 tank. Driving is by far the most dangerous thing our guys

do

> over there. Lately, they are much more sophisticated "shape charges"

> (Iranian) specifically designed to penetrate armor. Fact: Most of

the

> ready made IED's are supplied by Iran, who is also providing

terrorists

> (Hezbollah types) to train the insurgents in their use and tactics.

> That's why the attacks have been so deadly lately. Their concealment

> methods are ingenious, the latest being shape charges in Styrofoam

> containers spray painted to look like the cinderblocks that litter all

> Iraqi roads. We find about 40% before they detonate, and the bomb

> disposal guys are unsung heroes of this war.

>

> 4) Mortars and rockets: Very prevalent. The soviet era 122mm

rockets

> (with an 18km range) are becoming more prevalent. One of Jordan's

NCO's

> lost a leg to one. These weapons cause a lot of damage "inside the

> wire". Jordan's base was hit almost daily his entire time there by

> mortar and rocket fire, often at night to disrupt sleep patterns and

> cause fatigue (It did). More of a psychological weapon than anything

> else. The enemy mortar teams would jump out of vehicles, fire a few

> rounds, and then haul ass in a matter of seconds.

>

> 5) Bad guy technology: Simple yet effective. Most communication is

by

> cell and satellite phones, and also by email on laptops. They use

> handheld GPS units for navigation and "Google earth" for overhead

views

> of our positions. Their weapons are good, if not fancy, and

prevalent.

> Their explosives and bomb technology is TOP OF THE LINE. Night vision

> is rare. They are very careless with their equipment and the captured

> GPS units and laptops are treasure troves of Intel when captured.

>

> Who are the bad guys?:

>

> Most of the carnage is caused by the Zarqawi Al Qaeda group. They

> operate mostly in Anbar province (Fallujah and Ramadi). These are

> mostly "foreigners", non-Iraqi Sunni Arab Jihadists from all over the

> Muslim world (and Europe). Most enter Iraq through Syria (with, of

> course, the knowledge and complicity of the Syrian govt.) , and then

> travel down the "rat line" which is the trail of towns along the

> Euphrates River that we've been hitting hard for the last few months.

> Some are virtually untrained young Jihadists that often end up as

> suicide bombers or in "sacrifice squads". Most, however, are hard core

> terrorists from all the usual suspects (Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas

etc.)

> These are the guys running around murdering civilians en masse and

> cutting heads off. The Chechens (many of whom are Caucasian), are

> supposedly the most ruthless and the best fighters. (they have been

> fighting the Russians for years). In the Baghdad area and south, most

> of the insurgents are Iranian inspired (and led) Iraqi Shiites. The

> Iranian Shiia have been very adept at infiltrating the Iraqi local

> govt.'s, the police forces and the Army. The have had a massive spy

and

> agitator

> network there since the Iran-Iraq war in the early 80's. Most of the

> Saddam loyalists were killed, captured or gave up long ago.

>

> Bad Guy Tactics:

>

> When they are engaged on an infantry level they get their asses kicked

> every time. Brave, but stupid. Suicidal Banzai-type charges were

very

> common earlier in the war and still occur. They will literally

> sacrifice 8-10 man teams in suicide squads by sending them screaming

and

> firing Ak's and RPG's directly at our bases just to probe the

defenses.

> They get mowed down like grass every time. ( see the M2 and M240

> above). Jordan's base was hit like this often. When engaged, they

have

> a tendency to flee to the same building, probably for what they think

> will be a glorious last stand. Instead, we call in air and that's the

> end of that more often than not. These hole-ups are referred to as

Alpha

> Whiskey Romeo's (Allah's Waiting Room). We have the laser guided

> ground-air thing down to a science. The fast mover's, mostly Marine

> F-18's, are taking an ever increasing toll on the enemy. When caught

> out in the open, the helicopter gunships and AC-130 Spectre gunships

cut

> them to ribbons with cannon and rocket fire, especially at night.

> Interestingly, artillery is hardly used at all. Fun fact: The enemy

> death toll is supposedly between 45-50 thousand. That is why we're

> seeing less and less infantry attacks and more IED, suicide bomber

shit.

> The new strategy is simple: attrition.

>

> The insurgent tactic most frustrating is their use of civilian

> non-combatants as cover. They know we do all we can to avoid civilian

> casualties and therefore schools, hospitals and (especially) Mosques

are

> locations where they meet, stage for attacks, cache weapons and ammo

and

> flee to when engaged. They have absolutely no regard whatsoever for

> civilian casualties. They will terrorize locals and murder without

> hesitation anyone believed to be sympathetic to the Americans or the

new

> Iraqi govt. Kidnapping of family members (especially children) is

> common to influence people they are trying to influence but cant

reach,

> such as local govt. officials, clerics, tribal leaders, etc.).

>

> The first thing our guys are told is "don't get captured". They know

> that if captured they will be tortured and beheaded on the internet.

> Zarqawi openly offers bounties for anyone who brings him a live

American

> serviceman. This motivates the criminal element who otherwise don't

give

> a shit about the war. A lot of the beheading victims were actually

> kidnapped by common criminals and sold to Zarqawi. As such, for our

> guys, every fight is to the death. Surrender is not an option.

>

> The Iraqi's are a mixed bag. Some fight well, others aren't worth a

> shit. Most do okay with American support. Finding leaders is hard,

but

> they are getting better. It is widely viewed that Zarqawi's use of

> suicide bombers, en masse, against the civilian population was a

serious

> tactical mistake. Many Iraqi's were galvanized and the caliber of

> recruits in the Army and the police forces went up, along with their

> motivation. It also led to an exponential increase in good intel

> because the Iraqi's are sick of the insurgent attacks against

civilians.

> The Kurds are solidly pro-American and fearless fighters.

>

> According to Jordan, morale among our guys is very high. They not

only

> believe they are winning, but that they are winning decisively. They

> are stunned and dismayed by what they see in the American press, whom

> they almost universally view as against them. The embedded reporters

> are despised and distrusted. They are inflicting casualties at a rate

> of 20-1 and then see shit like "Are we losing in Iraq" on TV and the

> print media. For the most part, they are satisfied with their

equipment,

> food and leadership. Bottom line though, and they all say this, there

> are not enough guys there to drive the final stake through the heart

of

> the insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough troops

in-theater

> to shut down the borders with Iran and Syria. The Iranians and the

> Syrians just cant stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally

> (with, of course, permanent US bases there).

>

 

joec

New member
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I have to agree the WWII, Korean war stuff is still the best weapons regardless. Never thought much of the newer stuff especially the M-16. Jambed in the jungles too so it is just dirt they can't handle.

Doc it sounds legit to me I've had a grandson over there as well as a few of my tenants who have recently returned telling pretty much the same things though Afghanistan is a much more rugged area with much less infrastructure to speak of. Even had a tenant who was a Sargent in the special forces do 3 tours in Iraq, without a scratch. As soon as he mustard out of the Army he immediately signed up to go back for an English contractor. Hit in the upper part of the leg his first month back by a sniper and bleed out before they could help him to him or stop the bleeding. He left a wife and two small children. A real shame nice guy with a beautiful family.
 
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