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Thanks Blackfoot tucker for the information. I like the build quality of the tuckers and that my 4x4 mechanics recognize most of the parts. So I said to myself "OK if I like the tucker cats what can I afford and of the cats that I could afford witch would be the best option for taking my friends backcountry skiing?". By backcountry I mean both cat trail access and make your own trail access so it has to be very capable. My friends and I are mostly child size so that helps but I understand the cab size issue. I Also liked the social aspect of everyone being in the cab with me and the warm factor. Also thought I could maybe sleep in it instead of on the ground. I am trying to buy a tucker222 at the moment and don't have the money to get a 1443 or 1743 so it is kinda pointless to ask and I probably shouldn't open Pandoras box but what is the best cat for my needs? Are you suggesting a 4 door tucker or something from another company. Aaron I like your suggestion of a 743 but I think you have the only one.

There are others ..........just have to wait
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Hello Red130, the Boss basin hybrid route is road #10 on the map. It is west of machine gun ridge. It is one of the areas that the forest service set aside for cat or snowmobile skiing. The road is groomed and it is easy to get a lot of ski laps in. The skiing is fun, some rocks and stuff to play on.

Archmage - glad to hear that you were able to fix your cat without a ton of hassle. I am sure you saw but one of the jamboree videos has you coming down in the powder. I didn't think anyone got that on video but I am glad they did. After seeing all of the tucker sno cats up close at the jamboree I have decided to save up and buy one. I am thinking a sedan style like a 1443 or 1743.
I cannot find the video with me coming down in the powder, can you send me a link? Thanks
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Thanks Blackfoot tucker for the information. I like the build quality of the tuckers and that my 4x4 mechanics recognize most of the parts. So I said to myself "OK if I like the tucker cats what can I afford and of the cats that I could afford witch would be the best option for taking my friends backcountry skiing?". By backcountry I mean both cat trail access and make your own trail access so it has to be very capable. My friends and I are mostly child size so that helps but I understand the cab size issue. I Also liked the social aspect of everyone being in the cab with me and the warm factor. Also thought I could maybe sleep in it instead of on the ground. I am trying to buy a tucker222 at the moment and don't have the money to get a 1443 or 1743 so it is kinda pointless to ask and I probably shouldn't open Pandoras box but what is the best cat for my needs? Are you suggesting a 4 door tucker or something from another company. Aaron I like your suggestion of a 743 but I think you have the only one.
Sean,

In the Tucker world if you want to carry more than four people total (driver plus three passengers) you'll need a sedan. I've seen XX44's listed as "4-5 passengers", but that's simply not true, unless you're talking very small people in the rear seat. For example coach seats in an airliner are about 18" wide, and they are anything but roomy. Three times 18 is 54 which is wider than a Tucker cab. Now think about wearing a heavy coat... There are older models like Aaron's 743, as well as newer machines that you would need serious money to buy, and they would do the job well, but for us financial mortals the XX43 is the machine. The comments that follow are my opinion only, and others may disagree with them. My comments are based on my experience with four Tuckers and used at higher elevations in Utah.

The video Track Addict linked shows the bulkhead situation at about the 1:45 point. Notice the helmets, and their close proximity to the crossbar.

You've indicated a preference for 1443 or a 1743, but I think you should consider the sedan model spectrum's relative attributes. For example, what track length, engine and transmission do you want, in addition to other options such as a front blade or a winch. Realize the more particular you are, the harder the machine will be to find. I've been told by Tucker that only about 3-5% of their production were sedan models. Tucker's production volume was pretty low in that they built about 100 machines or so a year. So maybe five sedans a year over roughly a ten year period. Not a lot of inventory out there...

Colorado can get great snow years and, especially at higher elevations, you can have some serious snow. In deep powder I think a long track (1600 or 1700 series) machine is preferable to a mid length or short track machine.

The physics of atmospheric pressure and elevation is also something you should think about. As a general rule, a normally aspirated engine loses about three percent of it's power for every 1,000 feet of elevation change. So at 10,000 feet you're down 30%. Ouch!

If you have a need to cross side-hills the front six-way blade is a very nice feature. Tucker built two versions. One allowed you to tilt the blade off the longitudinal axis of the machine, and the other allowed you to "curl" the blade, essentially changing the blades angle of attack. I would say you would want the former style.

An automatic transmission is a very nice feature. Honestly it's something of a game changer, as with a manual you basically come to a stop when you change gears. You can't get a run at a hill because when you need to downshift you'll stop. With an automatic - it's no problem. Tucker offered two automatic transmission options for a while. One was a Chrysler LoadFlite. Basically a heavy-duty TorqueFlite, it's a three speed transmission. However, and this is important, Chrysler offered this with either a long or short tailshaft. Tucker used the short version and there were issues with the tailshaft housing cracking. My understanding is short tailshaft housings are VERY hard to find. They also offered the Allison AT-545, which is a four-speed, non overdrive transmission and Tucker used these for several years. They are a medium duty truck transmission and Allison built them for decades and sold a huge number of them.

Something else for consideration is who are you buying it from. There are some reputable snowcat sellers, and others who are anything but, and there's a lot of junk out there. There's a big opportunity to pay way too much money for a machine in bad shape. If you get nothing else from this post, take this advice. Do your homework, figure out what you want, and when it comes to evaluating a particular machine, as Ronald Reagan famously said, "Trust, but verify"....
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'' Something else for consideration is who are you buying it from. There are some reputable snowcat sellers, and others who are anything but, and there's a lot of junk out there. There's a big opportunity to pay way too much money for a machine in bad shape. If you get nothing else from this post, take this advice. Do your homework, figure out what you want, and when it comes to evaluating a particular machine"


Could not agree more. Over the last 25 years or so we have bought hundreds of machines from many many people,companies,auctions. Many unseen only in pictures. But one source stands out alone we had bought on different occasions " low hour machines" but when they arrived they were anything but. So one time when I was traveling I happened to swing buy this sources shop. And as walking through the shop I happened to spot a bench with a half of dozen hour meters
All sitting in a row hooked up to a power source. So I never have trusted a hour meter since that time forward.

Driving and looking at machine can never be replaced with pictures.

And don't expect to buy a inexpensive machine and not have to do some things to it.

Most on here can't afford new,most all new snowcats are now over 100K and many are looking for a deal. When buying new there is a warranty used machines that have been rebuilt can also carry a warranty. We have offered this
on rebuilt machines before. It's always best to stick with the common snowcat names also. So that there is replacement parts as needed. Snowcats are not a car. And they have to be maintained sometimes way more often than some people care to do. OR ADMIT

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Great pictures and beautiful family. I guess that answers the question about how well a utv with tracks works.

I appreciate the helpful advice from everyone. It sounds like the most common theme is patients. Should be easy because I already have a cat that I like "my br100 ". I like it more every time we take it out. Just have to work out a few bugs and I will hopefully get that done in the next few weeks before I can't test it on snow any more. It makes sense that the sedans are the rarest. Probably why you see so many 2 doors with custom cabs. I did some research on the 1300-1700 series based on the build sheets tucker put out. All of the sedan style cats in those series have ground pressure at 7" penetration numbers that are within 10% of each other. And the power to weight ratio is also almost identical. So they should all work about the same and no reason to be particular. I assume tucker spent a lot of time and money to come up with a "golden ratio" for snowcats and stuck to it for many years.
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GlacierSean, have you considered the Snow-Tracs? I know there are a few in Colorado.
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There will soon be a 1976 Spryte for sale. There is a post in the classified section.
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Great pictures and beautiful family. I guess that answers the question about how well a utv with tracks works.

I appreciate the helpful advice from everyone. It sounds like the most common theme is patients. Should be easy because I already have a cat that I like "my br100 ". I like it more every time we take it out. Just have to work out a few bugs and I will hopefully get that done in the next few weeks before I can't test it on snow any more. It makes sense that the sedans are the rarest. Probably why you see so many 2 doors with custom cabs. I did some research on the 1300-1700 series based on the build sheets tucker put out. All of the sedan style cats in those series have ground pressure at 7" penetration numbers that are within 10% of each other. And the power to weight ratio is also almost identical. So they should all work about the same and no reason to be particular. I assume tucker spent a lot of time and money to come up with a "golden ratio" for snowcats and stuck to it for many years.


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Aaron, I didn't know tucker planned on selling their 743. Mn outdoors also has one that they will sell eventually. I don't know what they sell for but after reading your post I am gonna guess a lot. I think a 1443 like the one on chameleon Inc will be what I go for. Just patiently saving. Let me know if you take your 743 out to cat ski. I would like to join.

Old shop teacher, I think those snow tracks are cool but probably not the solution for me.
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