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A little history I came across

joec

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I read this in another forum today in regards to the Pope's visit to the UK as covered in the URL below.

http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/...pe-visit-to-uk/?test=latestnews#ixzz0uHjRDLnV

Muslims love talking about the Crusades... and Christians love apologizing for them.

To hear both parties tell the story, one would believe that Muslims were just peacefully minding their own business in lands that were legitimately Muslim, when Christian armies decided to wage holy war and kill millions.

Every part of this myth is a lie.

By the rules that Muslims claim for themselves, the Crusades were perfectly justified, and the excesses (though beneath Christian standards) pale in comparison with the historical treatment of conquered populations at the hands of Muslims.

Here are some quick facts.

The first Crusade began in 1095.
- 460 years after the first Christian city was overrun by Muslim armies;
- 457 years after Jerusalem was conquered by Muslim armies;
- 453 years after Egypt was taken by Muslim armies;
- 443 after Muslims first plundered Italy;
- 427 years after Muslim armies first laid siege to the Christian capital of Constantinople;
- 380 years after Spain was conquered by Muslim armies;
- 363 years after France was first attacked by Muslim armies;
- 249 years after Rome itself was sacked by a Muslim army;
The Crusades were launched only after centuries of church burnings, killings, enslavement and forced conversions of Christians.

By the time the Crusades finally began, Muslim armies had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world.

Europe had been harassed by Muslims since the first few years following Muhammad's death. As early as 652, Muhammad's followers launched raids on the island of Sicily, waging a full-scale occupation 200 years later that lasted well over two centuries. The occupation was punctuated by massacres, such as the sack of the town of Castrogiovanni, in which 8,000 Christians were put to death.

In 1084, ten years before the first crusade, Muslims staged another devastating Sicilian raid, burning churches in Reggio, enslaving monks and raping an abbey of nuns before carrying them into captivity.

In theory, the Crusades were provoked by the harassment of Christian pilgrims from Europe to the Holy Land, in which many were kidnapped, molested, forcibly converted to Islam or even killed.

Compare this to Islam's justification for slaughter on the basis of Muslims being denied access to the Meccan pilgrimage in Muhammad's time.

The Crusaders only invaded lands that were Christian. They never attacked Saudi Arabia or sacked Mecca as the Muslims did to Italy and Constantinople.

The period of Crusader occupation of their own former lands was stretched over less than two centuries.

The Muslim occupation - which could be said to continue today - is in its 1,372nd year.

The period of Crusader aggression compresses to about 20 years of actual military campaign, much of which was spent on organization and travel. The time periods included from 1098-1099, 1146-1148, 1188-1192, 1201-1204, 1218-1221, 1228-1229, and 1248-1250.

By comparison, the Muslim Jihad against the island of Sicily alone lasted 75 grinding years.

Unlike Jihad, the Crusades were never justified on the basis of Biblical (Koran or New Testament) teachings. This is why they are an anomaly, the punctuation of fourteen centuries of relentless Jihad that began long before the Crusades and continued well after they were over.

The greatest crime of the Crusaders was the sacking of Jerusalem, in which 30,000 people were said to have been massacred.

This number is dwarfed by the number of Jihad victims, from India to Constantinople and Narbonne, but Muslims have never apologized for their crimes and never will.

What is called 'sin and excess' by other religions, is what Islam refers to as the "will of Allah".
 

muleman

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If they could they would do it here as well. They are building their numbers in Europe right now. We are not far behind. When Allah calls all hell will break loose as man has perfected the killing process.
 

SShepherd

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And people are apologists for islam, saying it's "religion of peace"


People need to wake up, educate themselves, and see it for what it is. Islam is a religion that looks upon violence (in the "name" of allah) as a good work and a way to their heaven. The only thing a follower of mohammid hates more than a christian/infadel is a jew.

http://contenderministries.org/islam/muhammad.php

Islam spread rapidly in Yathrib, now Medina, and Muhammad took his followers there to settle and build a great Mosque. After settling the area for his followers and another marriage to a 10-year-old girl, a long list of "holy wars" began. Those people who were conquered in these battles were given three choices: accept Islam, pay tribute, or die by the sword (see the Repentance Surat, verse29). As a result of this method of forced conversion, many Christian churches were turned into mosques to please the conquering Muslims, while many other Christians not willing to take the easy way out were killed.

so much for tolerance and peace !!!
 

joec

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And people are apologists for islam, saying it's "religion of peace"


People need to wake up, educate themselves, and see it for what it is. Islam is a religion that looks upon violence (in the "name" of allah) as a good work and a way to their heaven. The only thing a follower of mohammid hates more than a christian/infadel is a jew.

http://contenderministries.org/islam/muhammad.php

Islam spread rapidly in Yathrib, now Medina, and Muhammad took his followers there to settle and build a great Mosque. After settling the area for his followers and another marriage to a 10-year-old girl, a long list of "holy wars" began. Those people who were conquered in these battles were given three choices: accept Islam, pay tribute, or die by the sword (see the Repentance Surat, verse29). As a result of this method of forced conversion, many Christian churches were turned into mosques to please the conquering Muslims, while many other Christians not willing to take the easy way out were killed.

so much for tolerance and peace !!!

I agree but then I find all most all religions a source of violence. Now I don't think it the religion particularly but the zealotry in the religion. You know the not tolerating other points of view on a matter than really can't be explained faith.
 

Danang Sailor

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If they could they would do it here as well. They are building their numbers in Europe right now. We are not far behind. When Allah calls all hell will break loose as man has perfected the killing process.

They're doing it here, right now! Sharia compliant financing has already been accepted in a couple of states, and they're working on making it a crime to "insult" Islam, "insult" being defined as saying anything that could be construed as bad for them, such as telling the truth! We are in trouble and most folks are blithely unaware.

I recommend anyone and everyone who is interested in stopping the spread of Islamic Supremacism in our country visit www.actforamerica.org, and get on their email list. A wealth of good information from a Lebanese Christian who has lived through the "peace and tolerance" of Islam.

 
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