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muleman

Gone But Not Forgotten
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Boy, this hits the nail on the head

Two patients limp into two different medical clinics with the same complaint. Both have trouble walking and appear to require hip surgery.

The FIRST patient is examined within the hour, is x-rayed the same day and has a time booked for surgery the following week.

The SECOND sees his family doctor after waiting 3 weeks for an appointment, then waits 8 weeks to see a specialist, then gets an x-ray, which isn't reviewed for another week and finally has his surgery scheduled for 6 months from then pending the review boards decision on his age and remaining value to society.

Why the different treatment for the two patients?

The FIRST is a Golden Retriever taken to a vet. The SECOND is a Senior Citizen on Obama care...

In November if He gets another term we'll all have to find a good vet.
 

FrancSevin

Proudly Deplorable
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Sadly true Bill.

I saw a piece this morning on Pappa Johns Pizza franchise and the effects of Obamacare on it's plans.

They ave opted not to open a fourth sore becuase it costs too much. Not just in money, but in the time management would have to devote to the program.

My company is closing at the end of the year. Primarily over the added cost of Obamacare. The math does not work. We simply cannot do it.

I am eligible for medicare coverage. Not at all comforting
I too will be looking for a vet
 

tiredretired

The Old Salt
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My company is closing at the end of the year. Primarily over the added cost of Obamacare. The math does not work. We simply cannot do it.

Sorry to hear that Franc, however I can certainly understand the reasons why. The current situation is just not business friendly and is only going to get worse regardless of who get elected in November. I fear ObamaCare is here to stay and the ramifications of it will affect us all for many years.
 

FrancSevin

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Sorry to hear that Franc, however I can certainly understand the reasons why. The current situation is just not business friendly and is only going to get worse regardless of who get elected in November. I fear ObamaCare is here to stay and the ramifications of it will affect us all for many years.


Because they put it off for four years, but some provisions were implemented right away, and because everyone has been investing in a gear up for the program, the die has been cast. barry promised free ice cream and the folks lined up for it having no clue or concern over who whould pay for it, who would make it, who would serve it, and who would clean up the mess afterward.

We now have a militant expectation from the Proles.

Repeal will not reverse the damage, or our country's inevitable trip down this socialist path.
 

Kane

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We now have a militant expectation from the Proles.

Repeal will not reverse the damage, or our country's inevitable trip down this socialist path.
The end game of the Alinsky playbook is to move, one cut at a time, towards total collapse. Then, as the addled sheeple look for comfort from their sheep dog, the commies will be waiting with open arms. At that point the flock will be corralled ... under total control of the government.

It is up to all good patriots to intervene at that moment of anarchy and pluck us from the arms of the commies. If there are enough good patriots to lead the people from chaos back to the Republic, we have a chance. If not, then Saul will have won.

We must believe that it is the darkest before the dawn of a beautiful new world. We will see it when we believe it.
Saul Alinsky
A reformation means that masses of our people have reached the point of disillusionment with past ways and values. They don’t know what will work but they do know that the prevailing system is self-defeating, frustrating, and hopeless. They won’t act for change, but won’t strongly oppose those who do. The time is then ripe for revolution. — Saul Alinsky
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luvs

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we may seem beat, & may well be- if we comply & abide. if we cave. we're stronger than the 1 single proposition.
i chose my healthcare providers to keep me alive. dammit.
in this city & other American cities, floods of immigrants attend prestegious universities on scholarship & the promise they'll return to the sand as doctors. they transplant themselves here, in soil, for good, generally. they're not returning to the sand- they've seen grass & concrete & diversity & life.
that worries me. then i think, 'wait. they like being doctors here, or they'd leave.'
i get overwhelmed thinking of the impact of them.
 

Kane

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we may seem beat, & may well be- if we comply & abide. if we cave. we're stronger than the 1 single proposition.
i chose my healthcare providers to keep me alive. dammit.
in this city & other American cities, floods of immigrants attend prestegious universities on scholarship & the promise they'll return to the sand as doctors. they transplant themselves here, in soil, for good, generally. they're not returning to the sand- they've seen grass & concrete & diversity & life.
that worries me. then i think, 'wait. they like being doctors here, or they'd leave.'
i get overwhelmed thinking of the impact of them.
If Hussien injects 30 million additional people into the health care systems ala ObamaCare, we'll need every doc we can push thru med skool.
 

luvs

'lil yinzer~
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huh

when's the last time u were in a hospital, stitches or broken arm aside. that's mere nothingness.

i know severe & extensive illnesses. i've lived 'em. i live 'em now.

i know canadians.

i know much further than i post.
 

squerly

Supported Ben Carson
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Well I don't know about all that but this guy is cool!
 

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JimVT

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The new heath plan has a few problems but I believe it shouldn't be scrapped just fixed. I retired and if it wasn't for that plan and goverment regulations .I would be looking for new insurance.
If your 60 and retire and the compainy no longer needs to insure you and you try to get new. Yes you can but some of us will have to work to pay the $500+ monthly cost.
why do you think the insurance co. is backing to scrap it?
 

FrancSevin

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The new heath plan has a few problems but I believe it shouldn't be scrapped just fixed. I retired and if it wasn't for that plan and goverment regulations .I would be looking for new insurance.
If your 60 and retire and the compainy no longer needs to insure you and you try to get new. Yes you can but some of us will have to work to pay the $500+ monthly cost.
why do you think the insurance co. is backing to scrap it?

You are 60 and going to retire. Good for you. Lucky you.

I am 65 and planning on working, paying taxes, social security and now I will be funding Obamacare for the next five years.

My choice yes but, let me ask you without intent of medancity,,,,,,,
Why should I pay for your medical insurance?


Provision of Medicare was made for you at 65. When most people retire....you went early.
How did that become the government's responsibility?
 

Mama

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:flowers:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgb_SolOpq0"]Pay For Your Own Dam Healthcare - YouTube[/ame]
 

JimVT

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You are 60 and going to retire. Good for you. Lucky you.

I am 65 and planning on working, paying taxes, social security and now I will be funding Obamacare for the next five years.

My choice yes but, let me ask you without intent of medancity,,,,,,,
Why should I pay for your medical insurance?


Provision of Medicare was made for you at 65. When most people retire....you went early.
How did that become the government's responsibility?
I retired 3 year ago and you are not paying any amount. I am not old enough for solial security and only retired from my job.
i didn't want to start a debate. what I tried to say is his H C policy kept me insured by requring me not to be dropped. The cost just went from the place I worked for to me . If not for that alot of people may not be able to get back in. The plan has some good parts.
I can't answer what your asking because i d haven't done that yet and know nothing about it.
Your going to pay my bill in a few years? thanks,but I would like to see that.
jim
 

FrancSevin

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I retired 3 year ago and you are not paying any amount. I am not old enough for solial security and only retired from my job.
i didn't want to start a debate. what I tried to say is his H C policy kept me insured by requring me not to be dropped. The cost just went from the place I worked for to me . If not for that alot of people may not be able to get back in. The plan has some good parts.
I can't answer what your asking because i d haven't done that yet and know nothing about it.
Your going to pay my bill in a few years? thanks,but I would like to see that.
jim

I'm sorry to correct you but your complaint was about the need for Obamacare. It currently is the law of the land.

Let's review;

If you are insured and I am insured, then I am paying (under mandate of law) into the same sysstem that pays out for you. If you are not paying for your insurance then I am paying taxes to subsidize your premium.

Besides, according to the President, you didn't build anything, the government did. I, actually We, are the govenment. So yes,quite likely somehow, I am paying for you or somebody under Obamacare. And so are my kids, and theirs and theirs.

Because all of it is done with borrowed money they will have to pay back. 'Cause your retired and not paying tax revenues into the system any longer.

Social Secutrity is a pyramid scam

Obamacare is just a scam
 

Kane

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Nah, there won't be no death panels. You need to listen to this.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wsnHGI5K-E"]Neurosurgeon calls Mark Levin about Obamacare - YouTube[/ame]
 

FrancSevin

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Repael of Obamacare will be applauded but, the reality is ,it will also be problematic.

First we have portions of it that now exist. And Sandra Fluke will not go silently into the night without her $3000 worth of Contraceptives. I say we do a Nebraska compromise and give her a lifetime supply. Shut that gene pool down.

That accomplished we can move on to the less important issues like Preexisting conditions and 26 year olds still living in Mama's basement.

Many conservaives have advocated banning preexisting conditions on Healthcare policies. Just do that. You can't sell insurance unless you sell an equal affordable policy to all. We all pay a little more but access for cancer survivors and diabetics will improve their lives immeasuarably. This is an incredbly important issue as we go forward because as medical proceedures advance and improve survival rates, more and more of us will have "pre existing conditions.

Frankly what is the main argument for Obamacare? The occurence of a catastrophic medical event that bankrupts the average person. Often with or without medical insurance. There are policies that are desisgned just for this . They are relatively cheap and unfortunately unavailable in most states.

Imagine how much lower their costs would be if available nationwide.

Second most importantisue is routine care for the poor. I cannot say that we can provide it at a level equal to tony high end practicioners but, we can provide it in abundance in levels of care that are more than adequate, if we keep the product free (unregulated) to be competitive.

Medical Student loan programs to provide a host of practitioners and idividual medical vouchers for those who cannot earn funds for medical payments.

Instead of death panels culling the herd of people to meet capacity, let the market meet the capacity needs of the people.
Put the resources of the death panels to work judging whether a person can or cannot provide for their own care costs. and issue vouchers.

Eliminate Cobra, one of the biggest shams in the medical insurance racket.

I say student doctors, and even experienced ones who wish to address that community, be organized to practice in well equipped government capitalized "First care units" Let insurance companies send their paying patients there. And now we would be giving excellent care to both medicaid level and standard care level service on an equal basis to anyone in equaly prepared settings.

Doctors make the same incomes and the poor get the same services as anybody else there And the clinics stay in business not because of need orpolitis but because they provide competitively good care.

Bad clinics lose not only those who pay for their own service but those who don't. Much like food stamps medical vouchers would allow anyone to shop in the same stores regardles of the source of their funds.

But unlike food stamps, doctors can refuse to take them. So you go to another clinc that will.

Not a perfect system but better than just forcing all to buy private health care insurance with no provision to provide health care facilities at the level of need plus the added volume of requests for service simply because it is free and unlimited to the poor.

No time here to define things more, besides no one would want to read 2070 pages.:whistling:

But these ideas make more sense than executive orders from the White House telling insurance companies that the Sandra Flukes of the world get to screw for free on their dime.

Or to corporatize to a statist system that forces everyone to perpetuate the status quo. AKA Obamacare.
 
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