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Old 02-08-2020, 10:19 AM
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I think one of the scariest things I've read is the Englishman on a cruise ship who tested positive but had no symptoms.
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There is now an American death reported by the New York Times.

A woman who was 60 years old, living in Wuhan, with other underlying heath issues.

She chose not to evacuate on one of the American evacuation flights.
Few details about the American, who died on Thursday, were immediately available. According to the United States Embassy in Beijing, the person was 60 years old and died at Jinyintan Hospital in Wuhan, the inland metropolis at the center of the epidemic. Two people familiar with the matter said the person was a woman and had underlying health conditions.

It should be noted that ALL of the American cases (12 of them) that are inside the United States are expected to recover. Some have already been released from the hospital.
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Mark Levin shared this on his FB timeline linked into American Thinker.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...tate_pens.html
The video is also on twitter.
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My wife is Chinese from China, I would bet there are few people on this forum that hate the Chinese government more than she does or the dis like of Democrats in this country trying to emulate the Chinese government. Her last trip there ( September ) on her return said that the country is looking like when Mao was in power, political signs and slogans everywhere. There is nothing that they are not capable of to stay in power. Marty
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It is not contained

It was never contained

China has been lying

The W.H.O. has lost credibility

Crematoriums are burning bodies in Wuhan around the clock to the point there is now a human organic smog visible by satellite.

Chinese exiles claim 50,000+ dead. A source I have says even more.

Mortality may be closer to 5%

The US government is investigating the rumor the virus is man made

Still the official numbers remain low.
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UK enacts special powers over citizens: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/202...rgency-powers/
UK Declares Coronavirus ‘Serious and Imminent Threat’, Activates Emergency Powers
Oliver JJ Lane10 Feb 2020

The British government has declared Coronavirus a “serious and imminent threat”, a classification which gives the secretary of state for health emergency powers to detain people suspected of being infected, as four more cases emerge.

Until now, the roughly 250 Britons quarantined at two hospitals after arriving back into the United Kingdom from China have been in isolation voluntarily on the advice of the government. But With the declaration “that the incidence or transmission of novel Coronavirus constitutes a serious and imminent threat to public health”, the hospitals in the UK become legally recognised as “isolation” areas, the Department of Health said in a statement.

This means the government can now keep people in isolation
“for their own safety”, even if it is against their will, a spokesman for the department said.

State broadcaster the BBC reports this change in stance from the government came as one individual in the Wirral quarantine hospital was planning to leave against the advice of doctors before his two week incubation period isolation was complete. The Secretary of State for Health Matt Hancock declaring Coronavirus a “serious and imminent threat” permits the government to detail that individual and others to prevent the spread of the disease.

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Seven of these cases so far have been infected by one person, the eight patient who has been dubbed a “super spreader”. The so-called super spreader is a UK businessman who caught Coronavirus in Singapore before passing it on to seven other people on a ski holiday in France before returning to the United Kingdom, at which point he began to show symptoms....





The news just gets worse and worse but it seem to be back page and alternate source coverage of the story. All the mainstream sources are missing the story or simply parroting the official Chinese numbers.
At least one of every two instances of human-to-human transmission of the new coronavirus is believed to occur while the first patient is not yet showing symptoms, according to an estimate by a group of Japanese university researchers.

Based on its determination, the team, headed by Hokkaido University professor Hiroshi Nishiura, has called for preventive measures as well as reinforcing the medical care system against a potential sharp rise in coronavirus patients, rather than focusing exclusively on isolation as a way to contain the disease.

According to the estimate based on 26 human-to-human infection cases released by six countries such as China, Thailand and the United States, the timing of the secondary infection was shorter than previously thought.
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China has been lying.
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Of course California would screw up the quarantine

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...ounty-has-firt
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Infected patient was cleared by CDC, then returned to UC San Diego Health

A botched test result allowed an evacuee infected with the coronavirus to leave a San Diego hospital Monday after initially being told by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that they were in the clear.

The situation is detailed in a brief statement released by UC San Diego Health Monday evening, which says that all four quarantine patients admitted to its isolation units last week were discharged back to quarantine quarters at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar after the CDC shared with caregivers that coronavirus tests came back negative.

“This morning, CDC officials advised San Diego (County) Public Health that further testing revealed that one of the four patients tested positive for (novel coronavirus),” the UCSD statement said. “The confirmed positive patient was returned to UC San Diego Health for observation and isolation until cleared by the CDC for release.”

The university said that it also has received another patient with possible coronavirus symptoms, bringing the total hospitalized out of Miramar quarantine to eight.

The two patients currently in isolation units at UCSD facilities are said to be “doing well” with “minimal symptoms.”

It was not immediately clear what route the infected evacuee took out of the university hospital nor which of UCSD’s two main medical centers was involved. It also was not clear how long the infected evacuee was circulating inside quarantine after being told they tested negative. CDC, university and county health officials were not immediately available Monday night to comment.

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In the United States, the CDC reported a dozen cases Monday, but that number does not appear to include the new case in San Diego. As of Feb. 2, the California Department of Public Health has confirmed a total of six cases in the state: two in Santa Clara County, two in San Benito County, one in Los Angeles County and one in Orange County.
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The good news is there is no outbreak in North America. Canada is holding steady and the US is at 13 cases. There also seems to be strong evidence that the virus does not seem to be fatal to children through young adults if they are otherwise healthy.

The bad news is there is a cruise ship that seems to be a virus incubator, the whole of mainland China seems to be getting far worse, and many nations with close travel proximity to China have zero ability to deal with an outbreak. 80% of the fatalities are patients aged 60 and older and most of those have other conditions that contributed to their issues.

There is another cruise ship which is not being allowed to dock in any nation. It is off the coast of Thailand or possibly Vietnam now. There is ZERO evidence of any Coronavirus infection on the ship at this time but it is still not allowed to get to shore. There is now a serious concern the ship will run out of food. The W.H.O. may end up sending a crew out to the ship to test for Corona.

A prominent UK researcher suggests 60% of the world will become infected and while some people suggest infections will peak in March/April others are less optimistic. The W.H.O. says the world is 18 months away from a vaccine.

The map below suggests that Japan is in trouble, but the REALITY SEEMS TO BE that the cases in Japan are all in isolation and all arrived on cruise ships. South Korea also seems to have contained it's corona cases. India, Thailand and a few other nations, however, pose serious concerns as there seems to be no serious infrastructure to track contacts and travel restrictions are currently non-existent.
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If (when) this hits India and Africa it will be bad for them. They don't have the authoritarian regimes that can impose martial law and attempt to control it like China did.

It's gonna spread ... like a virus.
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Default Re: Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry

I think here in the US if nothing starts happening here in another 30 days we should be OK. Things that can go wrong are
1- if it would get into South America and explodes then comes here to the sanctuary cities.
2- if someone here that has been out of the country and cleared then comes down sick after passing it around there community for a period of time.
3- We don't keep the travel ban with China long enough
4- it mutates into something really deadly before it is under control.
5- everything else I didn't think of
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They owned up...a little.
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Boom. And the numbers exploded.

15,000 new cases
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I thought this was interesting...

I went into homedopes today for a 7 inch grinder, and concrete grinding pad.
decided it would be a good idea to get a few simple dust masks.

The entire display was ravaged, with only the really high dollar ones available.

I made mention of it to the cashier.

She said buses full of Chinese tourists had been stopping to buy up the supplies to send them back home.
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I thought this was interesting...

I went into homedopes today for a 7 inch grinder, and concrete grinding pad.
decided it would be a good idea to get a few simple dust masks.

The entire display was ravaged, with only the really high dollar ones available.

I made mention of it to the cashier.

She said buses full of Chinese tourists had been stopping to buy up the supplies to send them back home.
I just want to make sure I understand what you are saying. Are there really busloads of Chinese tourists going to home depots and buying up all the dust mask? Is that really what you are saying? but they could not afford the expensive ones?
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I just want to make sure I understand what you are saying. Are there really busloads of Chinese tourists going to home depots and buying up all the dust mask? Is that really what you are saying? but they could not afford the expensive ones?
There are many tour busses that come through the area going between Phx and Las Vegas.
It's not unusual to see a busload of Japanese, Chinese, or really any group of people gathered by ethnicity climb off a tour bus anywhere along the route.

They are quite often seen stopping for food and a chance to blow up* some poor establishments' restrooms.

I should have taken a picture, dammit, but it didn't occur to me at the time.
The mask area was probably 4 maybe even 5 or six shelves high, and at least 5 or 8 feet wide.
All the singles, and the multipacks of the simple painting and dust masks were just gone!
The only ones left were the ones that ran like $5ea with the little flap built in the front, and the much higher end ones with replaceable filters that looked more like gas masks.
They were running like $30 or so and on up, there were plenty of those.

I was talking with my brother in Santa Barbara last night about it.
His teenage son just had nose surgery, and I guess they suggested some dust masks for him.
My brother said he experienced the same thing over there, not a dust mask to be found.


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So this hits close to home. Highland, Indiana. I lived there for a decade. I lived in the adjacent town for 2 decades. I now live about 20 miles south, as Highland is in the north part of the county and my family moved to the rural south part of the county.

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In China, Ken Zurek of Northwest Indiana saw the disruption of the novel coronavirus — bustling cities turned to ghost towns, businesses shuttered, citizens confined to their homes, a world on pause in fear of a quickly-spreading virus.

“What I just experienced? I never want to experience it here,” said Zurek, 63, a concrete business owner who traveled last month to China with his wife, Annie, 60, to visit her family and meet their new baby granddaughter. After learning of the virus and cutting their visit short to return home after 10 days, the Zureks decided to quarantine themselves in their Highland, Indiana, home for about two weeks even though they haven’t shown any signs of the virus, like fever and cough.

The self-quarantine — not ordered by health professionals — is winding down and the Zureks, as well as their family back in China, all have remained healthy, he said.

Ken Zurek said he took the precaution to be extra careful after he saw the devastation of the virus in China. He said he didn’t want to be the cause of any illness in the United States. “I didn’t want to be the start of that domino effect.”

The couple planned to spend about four weeks in China, mostly in Chongqing, where Annie Zurek’s family lives and is about 500 miles from Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak. News of the coronavirus had just begun to break in the United States when the couple arrived in China on Jan. 19, Ken Zurek said, so they didn’t know a virus similar to SARS and MERS had started to spread.

Soon after they arrived, they learned of the virus and noticed its effect, he said. At first they saw fewer people on the streets than normal, some wearing face masks. Within a couple days, nearly everyone donned masks and streets that would normally be packed with people shoulder to shoulder, were empty, Zurek said.

“Usually it’s like New York City … people are everywhere,” he said. “When you take bus ... you never have a seat on the bus. It’s always packed. But we got to see a ghost town, no doubt about it.”

Soon the only open businesses in the city were grocery stores and pharmacies, and everyone stayed indoors, Zurek said. Masks were hard to find, but their family had a supply.

While inside, Zurek said he and his wife felt safe, and were happy to spend time with family and their new granddaughter. But they also constantly sought out news sources to read the tally of those infected, as well as those dead from the virus.

“My biggest fear was leaving my safe zone,” he said, especially being in the Chongqing airport, which he said could be a route for those headed to or leaving Wuhan, where the virus started.

The couple decided they should leave China while they could, anticipating the United States would eventually restrict or halt flights coming from the country. But the only flight Zurek could find was for early February, which he thought might be too late. And when he’d try to call the airlines, he couldn’t get through and the websites would crash, jammed with traffic.

“Every day my wife would tell me, ‘We’ve got to leave early. This is going to get bad,’” he said. Because Annie Zurek is not an American citizen and instead has a green card, she wasn’t able to get a flight arranged by the State Department to return to the U.S., Ken Zurek said, and he didn’t want to go home without her.

When they woke up the morning of Jan. 29, Zurek said his wife told him to leave while he could, and she would stay behind. “I said, ‘No. We came here together; we’ll leave together.’”

“This was the only time I was really scared,” Zurek added. “At that point I really realized I could die here.”

Zurek called his sister, who was staying at the couple’s home, watching their cat, and she was able to get through to the airlines and then called him back with the airline representative also on the phone.

The airline representative told him “‘if you can get to the airport in two hours, you have the last two seats,’” Zurek said. “We packed so fast.”

At the airport, everyone wore masks, he said. Inside the plane, flight attendants and the pilot also donned masks.

Zurek said he didn’t see any screening for fever or symptoms once they arrived at O’Hare. “We walked right out the airport exit.”

At that point, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had already begun screening passengers at several airports, including O’Hare, but only for travelers from areas closer to the epicenter of the outbreak in China.

Zurek said he and his wife continued to wear masks, including during their Uber ride, until they arrived home, and haven’t left their home since their return.

He said he contacted state and local health departments in Indiana, and reported where they were in China, and that they have shown no symptoms. Officials told him they didn’t need to remain home, but the couple decided to be “overly cautious,” Zurek said.

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China is grinding to a total economic halt.

Numerous media sources show the cities, each with 5 to 15 million residents, resemble ghost towns with people confined ... or confining themselves... to their apartments. Businesses closed. Transportation unused. Factories shuttered.

Their economy has taken a serious hit and its about to hit the rest of the world.

Full story, with graphs and charts => https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/...proaching-zero
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China Is Disintegrating: Steel Demand, Property Sales, Traffic All Approaching Zero

In our ongoing attempts to glean some objective insight into what is actually happening "on the ground" in the notoriously opaque China, whose economy has been hammered by the Coronavirus epidemic, yesterday we showed several "alternative" economic indicators such as real-time measurements of air pollution (a proxy for industrial output), daily coal consumption (a proxy for electricity usage and manufacturing) and traffic congestion levels (a proxy for commerce and mobility), before concluding that China's economy appears to have ground to a halt.

That conclusion was cemented after looking at some other real-time charts which suggest that there is a very high probability that China's GDP in Q1 will not only flatline, but crater deep in the red for one simple reason: there is no economic activity taking place whatsoever.

We start with China's infrastructure and fixed asset investment, which until recently accounted for the bulk of Chinese GDP. As Goldman writes in an overnight report, in the Feb 7-13 week, steel apparent demand is down a whopping 40%, but that's only because flat steel is down "only" 12% Y/Y as some car plants have ordered their employee to return to work (likely against their will as the epidemic still rages).

However, it is the far more important - for China's GDP - construction steel sector where apparent demand has literally hit the bottom of the chart, down an unprecedented 88% Y/Y or as Goldman puts it, "construction steel demand is approaching zero."

But wait, there's more...
Time to buy some food, buy some meds, buy some disinfectants, wait it out?


And in Europe, where there is much more cross travel we see the first death. This one of a Chinese tourist who brought the virus with him. No clue how many people he may have infected.

ABC News => https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSt..._headlines_hed
France announces 1st death in Europe of virus patient

PARIS -- France's health minister has announced the first coronavirus death in Europe.

Minister Agnes Buzyn says Saturday that "I was informed last night of the death of an 80-year-old patient who had been hospitalized ... since Jan. 25."

The patient, a Chinese tourist from the province of Hubei, had a lung infection caused by the COVID-19 virus. He arrived in France on Jan. 16, then was hospitalized on Jan. 25 under strict isolation measures. His condition deteriorated rapidly.

His daughter was also hospitalized but authorities say she is expected to recover...
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