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If it were a 300 six I'd be all over it and a happy man. You didn't state anywhere as to transmission standard / auto? I've had two 300's with standards and was a satisfied man. Also owned two 302's with sticks and they just couldn't cut it like the sixes could at getting a load rolling and heading down the road. They may be perfectly fine with a automatic with the slippage needed built into the transmission itself but they fell short as I owned them with a stick.
Missed your post until now.
It an automatic with overdrive.
Somewhere along the line, someone put in what I guess is called a shift kit, or hard shift kit.

This is the first vehicle I've owned with one in it.
I read it's supposed to be a good thing.
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Well, here's a sad little &*%$ing update.

I got called and was told my truck was ready.
It took a bit longer than predicted...but, ok.

This was very expensive, but bear in mind I had them replace just about everything under the hood.
From the engine to the radiator, the starter, alternator, water pump, steering pump, all hoses and vacuum lines etc.

I paid them $3K down to start. (On CC)

I had them fire it up, and it sounded good at first, then when it idled down, I began to hear a tick.
I pointed it out to the mechanic, and it soon went away.

I paid the rest of the bill, and drove off.
Three miles away, the tick came back in a very bad way, and the truck stalled a few times at lights, and didn't seem right at all.
It was bad enough that I was certain my truck wasn't going to make it home.

I turned around and started heading back for the garage when all of a sudden the drivetrain let go making a grinding noise similar to that of trying to put a manual trans in gear without using the clutch.

I pulled to the side and put it in park, and the truck kept rolling forward.
I stopped, tried all the gears and nothing seemed to work except shifting it into 4WD low. High didn't even work.

I managed to limp it back to the shop.

Everyone was at lunch except the boss ladies wife.
I walked in rather miffed, and she asked what's the matter.
I had left the truck running, opened their front door, and asked, does that sound like 9000 dollars of fucking engine to you???

The boss came back first, and heard it, then tried to drive it. We both know what we both heard and saw.
He immediately put it back into the shop.

I the met his wife at the front counter and had her refund my final charge for the job.

From talking with a few gearheads, it's quite possible they didn't prime the oil pump before starting the engine, and most likely killed a few main bearings and or rods.
To top it off, they messed up the linkage to the transfer case, or didn't adjust it right. The transmission and transfer case were just fine when I brought it to them.

That was yesterday afternoon, and I have yet to hear back from them today.

Feel free to have a listen to my $9000 dollar engine.
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Wow, sorry that's happened. Hope they fix you up.

Does it come with a warrenty ? I'd definately be looking for one !!
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Wow, sorry that's happened. Hope they fix you up.

Does it come with a warrenty ? I'd definately be looking for one !!
Oh yeah, the engine has a 3 year 100K warranty which really hasn't begun since technically the job isn't done, nor paid for.
If they screwed up the install, it's 100% on them.
If they end up having to start over, you can bet I'm going to ask for a few grand off for the inconvenience and BS.

Otherwise, I'll contact my CC company and dispute the downpayment if they don't get things right.
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Nightmare. I'd have a hard time trusting them to fix it after all that went wrong. Didn't they road test after doing all that work? Good luck man.
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Nightmare. I'd have a hard time trusting them to fix it after all that went wrong. Didn't they road test after doing all that work? Good luck man.
They said they road tested it.
I find it hard to believe.
My trust level is quite low, but I have to give them a chance to make it right.
That's just how I am, but again, I find it odd that they didn't contact me at all today.
I think they botched the job, and have some real problems on their hands.
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Well, here's a sad little &*% update.

I got called and was told my truck was ready.
It took a bit longer than predicted...but, ok.

This was very expensive, but bear in mind I had them replace just about everything under the hood.
From the engine to the radiator, the starter, alternator, water pump, steering pump, all hoses and vacuum lines etc.

I paid them $3K down to start. (On CC)

I had them fire it up, and it sounded good at first, then when it idled down, I began to hear a tick.
I pointed it out to the mechanic, and it soon went away.

I paid the rest of the bill, and drove off.
Three miles away, the tick came back in a very bad way, and the truck stalled a few times at lights, and didn't seem right at all.
It was bad enough that I was certain my truck wasn't going to make it home.

I turned around and started heading back for the garage when all of a sudden the drivetrain let go making a grinding noise similar to that of trying to put a manual trans in gear without using the clutch.

I pulled to the side and put it in park, and the truck kept rolling forward.
I stopped, tried all the gears and nothing seemed to work except shifting it into 4WD low. High didn't even work.

I managed to limp it back to the shop.

Everyone was at lunch except the boss ladies wife.
I walked in rather miffed, and she asked what's the matter.
I had left the truck running, opened their front door, and asked, does that sound like 9000 dollars of fucking engine to you???

The boss came back first, and heard it, then tried to drive it. We both know what we both heard and saw.
He immediately put it back into the shop.

I the met his wife at the front counter and had her refund my final charge for the job.

From talking with a few gearheads, it's quite possible they didn't prime the oil pump before starting the engine, and most likely killed a few main bearings and or rods.
To top it off, they messed up the linkage to the transfer case, or didn't adjust it right. The transmission and transfer case were just fine when I brought it to them.

That was yesterday afternoon, and I have yet to hear back from them today.

Feel free to have a listen to my $9000 dollar engine.
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coming from a mechanic it doesn't sound like anything in the lower end. because it died I would put my money on a bad lifter or bent pushrod I have seen fords bend pushrods before I just never had a chance to see for certain why because they were all rebuilt drop ins with all the tin on them already.
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coming from a mechanic it doesn't sound like anything in the lower end. because it died I would put my money on a bad lifter or bent pushrod I have seen fords bend pushrods before I just never had a chance to see for certain why because they were all rebuilt drop ins with all the tin on them already.
I'd agree with top end.
Time will tell.
Didn't hear a peep out of them today
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I just spoke with the owner, they are ordering a new engine.
He said one rod was shorter than the others???

Would an engine manufacturer really make a mistake like that?
I know shirt happens, but don't they run them through some sort of running test before they ship?

He also says my transfer case is bad, but hasn't opened it yet.
He added that the truck can't leave the shop with a bad transfer case or else the engine warranty is voided.

I still have a hard time believing that my Tcase went to hell between the time it left my driveway and the time that they installed the engine.

Just for the hell of it, I went down their price list (all napa parts numbers) and did a comparison, not including the engine.

Their parts prices $1752.05
Napa's part prices $861.34
Difference. $890.71
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Your transfer case wasn't bad enough to notice when you drove it there and they didn't notice it on thier supposed test drive so I'm thinking something happened to it becasue of the engine swap (dangeling, bad angle etc), lack of fluid ( that they should have checked) or because of trauma to it by the FU'd engine.

At least they should give you the parts for WAY closer to cost or write off lots of the labor.
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Your transfer case wasn't bad enough to notice when you drove it there and they didn't notice it on thier supposed test drive so I'm thinking something happened to it becasue of the engine swap (dangeling, bad angle etc), lack of fluid ( that they should have checked) or because of trauma to it by the FU'd engine.

At least they should give you the parts for WAY closer to cost or write off lots of the labor.
I might argue that I have seen many of those aluminum chain drive t cases take a crap with no warning. it is an older truck you did right getting all the wear parts replaced with the engine. when I was in Iraq I wouldn't replace an engine with out replacing all the hoses and cooling pack. my team was the only one that didn't loose an engine when summer came around.
if you do the t-case you might want to do the trans and torque converter than all your high dollar bases should be covered.
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I might argue that I have seen many of those aluminum chain drive t cases take a crap with no warning. it is an older truck you did right getting all the wear parts replaced with the engine. when I was in Iraq I wouldn't replace an engine with out replacing all the hoses and cooling pack. my team was the only one that didn't loose an engine when summer came around.
if you do the t-case you might want to do the trans and torque converter than all your high dollar bases should be covered.
Except the front axle, rear axle, rear end, front end and the body.
I'm just being facetious.

I probably have no choice but to replace the Tcase, but I'd bet just about anything that they messed it up on the install.

And how come they drove the thing around for a test, thought it sounded and ran great, and then three miles after I had it, it sounded like a rod was going to let go, and the Tcase failed.

I can't help but to suffer here from large quantities of scepticism.
I've never had any good luck getting an engine replaced.
I'd be forced to think no one had ever done it before.

I'm too deep now to bail.

But by the time I'm done I'm going to have a $20,000 truck that was only about $10,000 brand new, and if I tried, I couldn't get $5K out of it on Craigslist.

It's ok though, because it's the truck I want, and want to run good for a lot longer.

Long story short, I should have done it all myself.
I know I could have done better.
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that's why I do most things I need my self, that way it gets done to my standard. Even say working on my atv's or working on my house. It may take me a little longer, or I may have to seek the advice of a pro I trust, but I would rather wait to do it my self, rather to pay some one to do it, than pay than re do the job my self to get it to my satisfaction.
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Another mildly interesting detail or two....

When I first took it into the shop, I told these guys to also replace the injectors.

When the "Tech" was going over the engine showing me all the new stuff, and his work, I asked him if he replaced the injectors.
He said no, we just cleaned them up.
There were two new injectors installed from a previous guys attempt to repair the truck.

As I'm going through the bill with a fine tooth comb, I come across two separate charges.
Both for injectors.
One line says 8 injectors for $526, another says 6 injectors for $394.50???

I guess I got me a 14 cylinder engine.

Here's another...
I found a separate line charging labor for replacing the radiator.
Isn't pulling a radiator part of replacing an engine???

Once these guys are finally done, we're gonna have a real Pow-Wow before the bill gets paid.
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yes removing the radiator is part of the job
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Well, they started the job Jan 13th.
It's now Feb 22.

They called me late afternoon yesterday to let me know it was done.
Two immediate responses came to mind:

1. You're kidding, right?
2. Too late, I don't want it anymore.


Of course I said neither.

I plan on being there Monday morning with my calculator, a fine tuned ear, and not to mention, a very fine toothed comb.
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