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Hi all, I hope not but this China corona virus thing has the potential to get ugly. In China basically the whole country is shut down. The only cities still operating are the port cities, when those close up shop it is going to effect the manufacturing supply chain for the whole world, which is going to shut down everyones economies. Then there is the virus its self. I think the mortality rate is much higher than being reported due to the Chinese government response. There are even reports on the news suggesting that. I would try to obtain anti viral medication or Collidial silver is known to kill viruses and when people don't go to work there is nothing on the store shelf. The best plan is not to get sick in the first place so if it starts spreading around here do you have supplies and somewhere isolated to go for months? Marty
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To the OP. YES. Currently in the midst of some last minute preparations as we speak.

Let the liberals eat out of a dumpster by day 2. We will be enjoying much better fare.
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To the OP. YES. Currently in the midst of some last minute preparations as we speak.

Let the liberals eat out of a dumpster by day 2. We will be enjoying much better fare.
Maybe not by day two but by the end of a week things will be getting interesting.

One of the freezers has some room in it so we had planned to go to the meat packers in town and get some steaks, ribs and chili meat. I'm going to hold off a little bit on everything else to see how things shake out.
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We keep a nice supply of freeze dried food in those 5 gallon buckets on hand. Those have an advertised shelf life of 25 years, but if kept in a cool place year round I am sure they will last much longer than that. My son will most likely inherit them if not needed first.

Further more we have plenty of propane on hand and two Kelly Kettles, as last resort, to heat the water for the food. Bare bones, no lie, but better than fighting a liberal for scraps out of that dumpster.
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Something to think about is it in Mexico already and our southern border will usher it right in, with a 2 week incubation period while being contagious will be a good recipe for disaster in those fu<king sanctuary cities. We all know how sanitary they are. Can you imagine whats going to happen when Los Angeles, Sanfrancisco , Portland ,Seattle, Chicago, New York etc. become hot spots. First it will be in the social underground then explode into the general population. My que to head to the mountain is when they start shuttering government agencies like closing schools etc. This thing could blow right through with few incidents or blow up unlike wild fire. at this point no one knows. Marty
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We keep a nice supply of freeze dried food in those 5 gallon buckets on hand. Those have an advertised shelf life of 25 years, but if kept in a cool place year round I am sure they will last much longer than that. My son will most likely inherit them if not needed first.

Further more we have plenty of propane on hand and two Kelly Kettles, as last resort, to heat the water for the food. Bare bones, no lie, but better than fighting a liberal for scraps out of that dumpster.
Got 25 year food from the Obama days and always have canned food along with a good medical supply. On the mountain is a cabin with cook stove, unlimited fresh water, wood for heat and critters to eat in a remote hard to get to location 5 miles off grid also easily defendable with good visibility of the road below but completely hidden in the trees. Need to store more propane and fuel.
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Further more we have plenty of propane on hand and two Kelly Kettles, as last resort, to heat the water for the food. Bare bones, no lie, but better than fighting a liberal for scraps out of that dumpster.
Not much freeze dried food on hand, some but not a lot, maybe a couple of days worth at most.

Nothing wrong with a Kelly Kettle. I've had one for years. My one works great but as you said, it wouldn't be my first choice. In an emergency though, it's a Godsend. Reminds me, I probably need to check all that stuff out.
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Not much freeze dried food on hand, some but not a lot, maybe a couple of days worth at most.

Nothing wrong with a Kelly Kettle. I've had one for years. My one works great but as you said, it wouldn't be my first choice. In an emergency though, it's a Godsend. Reminds me, I probably need to check all that stuff out.
I have lots of of pine trees around which means lots of pine cones. They are superb fuel for the Kelly Kettle. You can boil water in no time. I keep a box of pine cones handy in the shed for that reason and making Christmas wreaths.

Don't forget a nice stash of fire starter sticks too. I keep matches on hand as well, but love those fire sticks. Cheap and handy.
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TR, I live in the piney woods of East Texas. I have enough fuel for the Kelly kettle to keep it going for years, if I don't burn it out.

I am an old tent and car camper before I got too old and decided that I needed a little more comfort. All the old equipment is still here and functioning (I think). I still have a stash of fire starters of all sorts and enough butane lighters to last a long, long time. If that fails, there is always the butane torch and cannisters of fuel that could incinerate a waterlogged log. I use it occasionally to start up the wood fired smoker when it is being stubborn.

I've lived out in the country for a long time and in the immortal words of Hank Jr, "A Country Boy Will Survive".
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Apparently people in Hong Kong are unprepared

Panic is spreading, but as it is essentially an island with no natural resources, the supply chain is the only thing keeping them alive.

I'll admit I would starve if we were stuck out here for longer than 30 days based on what I have stored. (assuming I don't shoot and eat some rabbits or a deer) But we have a reasonable amount stocked up. And toilet paper, soap, cleaning supplies and dog food too.

But realistically there is no panic and a ready supply here now and no reason I couldn't go out in 1 afternoon and gather up enough food and other goods to feed us for a couple months. I'm slowly building up our inventory with each of our trips to the supermarket, Costco and Aldi. I don't want to buy 30 days worth of food in a panic buy, but if I need 2 cans of beans from the store I'll buy 8 or 10 and just end up with an extra bit. And doing that each and every time we go to town to the store it adds up.


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Now that striking health-care workers have successfully forced Carrie Lam's government to close most of its border links with the mainland and dramatically restrict travel from elsewhere in China, a full-on panic has engulfed the city, fueled by "malicious rumors" about supply shortages, Reuters reports.

Chaos has erupted in some areas as supermarkets have imposed limits on how many items customers can buy. Hundreds of shoppers have thronged aisles of supermarkets as they struggle to buy up as many consumer staples - rice, water, meat, noodles etc. - as they can again on Friday. Chinese-ruled Hong Kong has reported 25 cases of the virus and one of only three deaths outside the mainland.

"Everyone’s snatching whatever they can get. I don’t even know what’s going on," said a 72-year-old woman surnamed Li as she clutched two bags of toilet rolls.

The situation in Hong Kong right now is incredibly tense. Many still have horrible memories from the SARS outbreak of 2002-2003, which killed roughly 300 people as it swept through the city. But the scare also comes after months of anti-Beijing protests by the Hong Kong pro-democracy movement.

Already, Matthew Cheung, chief secretary for administration, said that Hong Kong people returning from the mainland must stay home for a fortnight or risk a $3,200 fine and up to 6 months in jail. Non-Hong Kong residents must stay in government isolation centers or hotel rooms for the same period, facing the same penalties.

"Self discipline and having everybody in Hong Kong fighting...this infectious disease is the most important thing," said Sophia Chan, the city’s health secretary.

There was some good news in Hong Kong: Thousands of medical workers who had been on strike this week to press the government to close the border voted to suspend their action on Friday night, though they said they would continue to pressure the government for tighter measures to suppress the outbreak.

City authorities said they were conducting checks for the virus on a quarantined cruise ship carrying some 3,600 people that docked in Hong Kong this week. Meanwhile, health officials are trying to trace people who had traveled on the ship, many of whom disembarked in Hong Kong in January.

But while consumer staples and medical supplies like facemasks flew off the shelves, Hong Kong's biggest shopping centers were eerily empty: Bloomberg reported from a deserted shopping mall....
Link to full story ==> https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...and-quarantine
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Apparently people in Hong Kong are unprepared

Panic is spreading, but as it is essentially an island with no natural resources, the supply chain is the only thing keeping them alive.

I'll admit I would starve if we were stuck out here for longer than 30 days based on what I have stored. (assuming I don't shoot and eat some rabbits or a deer) But we have a reasonable amount stocked up. And toilet paper, soap, cleaning supplies and dog food too.

But realistically there is no panic and a ready supply here now and no reason I couldn't go out in 1 afternoon and gather up enough food and other goods to feed us for a couple months. I'm slowly building up our inventory with each of our trips to the supermarket, Costco and Aldi. I don't want to buy 30 days worth of food in a panic buy, but if I need 2 cans of beans from the store I'll buy 8 or 10 and just end up with an extra bit. And doing that each and every time we go to town to the store it adds up.


Link to full story ==> https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...and-quarantine
I think right now there is no need for panic here in the US but it is time to be cautious and prepare. If it were to start spreading around here one very good delivery system is money especially Paper money, I remember reading that there are 2 things present on all paper money 1- drugs 2- body fluids then public transportation, restraunts, stores etc. There is a Chinese buffet in town we usually hit once a week. The wife is Chineese and suggested we skip it for a while as she talks to the help there and the owner. They are all southern Chinese from that area and travel there frequently and now especially due to the Chinese new year. Marty
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Honestly part of our prepping may be simply staying out of the public for a bit. I think there is ZERO threat now. But every day the treat gets a little closer. If, and I say, IF this becomes an issue, it will be an issue a month or so from now. My fencing event commitments are winding down, so my travel is going to stop. Living 5 miles from the nearest town, 7 miles from the next and 8 miles the other direction to another puts us smack in the middle of nowhere. If there is a pandemic, it might just be a desirable place to live!

We still have not been approved as foster parents ... not sure why but it may be a blessing in disguise. We may delay bringing kids in the house if this becomes an issue because it will, through mandated visits to doctors offices, take us into the areas where healthy people probably should not be going! And at 59 years old, we are not young anymore and most of the complications and problems with the Corona virus seem to affect older people. Hmmm...

But as I said, no real threat today. 30, 45 or 60 days into the future that might be the same. Or it might be different. Very different. Realistically I believe this disease will spread. The question is will they figure out a reasonable treatment regimen for it and will there ever be a vaccine and/or drug supply to combat it? The longer the disease is delayed from spreading the better off we will all be.

Oddly enough, ZERO cases exist in South and Central America. ZERO cases in Africa. Both areas are being courted by the Chinese with all sorts of diplomatic and infrastructure investments. Apparently, however, very little travel.

None in Hawaii, which again I find surprising because its a natural travel route for airlines.
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Honestly part of our prepping may be simply staying out of the public for a bit. I think there is ZERO threat now. But every day the treat gets a little closer. If, and I say, IF this becomes an issue, it will be an issue a month or so from now. My fencing event commitments are winding down, so my travel is going to stop. Living 5 miles from the nearest town, 7 miles from the next and 8 miles the other direction to another puts us smack in the middle of nowhere. If there is a pandemic, it might just be a desirable place to live!

We still have not been approved as foster parents ... not sure why but it may be a blessing in disguise. We may delay bringing kids in the house if this becomes an issue because it will, through mandated visits to doctors offices, take us into the areas where healthy people probably should not be going! And at 59 years old, we are not young anymore and most of the complications and problems with the Corona virus seem to affect older people. Hmmm...

But as I said, no real threat today. 30, 45 or 60 days into the future that might be the same. Or it might be different. Very different. Realistically I believe this disease will spread. The question is will they figure out a reasonable treatment regimen for it and will there ever be a vaccine and/or drug supply to combat it? The longer the disease is delayed from spreading the better off we will all be.

Oddly enough, ZERO cases exist in South and Central America. ZERO cases in Africa. Both areas are being courted by the Chinese with all sorts of diplomatic and infrastructure investments. Apparently, however, very little travel.

None in Hawaii, which again I find surprising because its a natural travel route for airlines.
I agree with your strategy in keeping a low profile and just staying away from crowds in general, don't panic but just pay attention. The cure is 3 months to 1 year away. Reports say it will die out with warmer weather but could return in the fall. I read that there is 1 in Mexico a returnee fro Wuhan. Marty
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I'll admit I would starve if we were stuck out here for longer than 30 days based on what I have stored. (assuming I don't shoot and eat some rabbits or a deer) But we have a reasonable amount stocked up. And toilet paper, soap, cleaning supplies and dog food too.
Bob, I remember us having a conversation about this a couple of years back in the preppers forum just after you got your back-up generator (I think). By the way, I still haven't got mine but I swear it'll be installed this year. You helped me identify a couple of shortfalls in my provisioning plan, namely dog food and Scotch whisky. I want to assure you that come what may, I now have enough dog and cat food for several months and enough Scotch to float a small battleship. I'm ready!
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For those of you that have and/or may use the freeze dried foods - Your body isn't going to be used to them and may put on a little revolt. I'd suggest you stock up on stomach meds like Pepto as well as items to address constipation and diarrhea.

I'm pretty much good to go. Will go to store today for a bag of dog food and another months of meds.
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Stopped at one of the local WalMart stores to buy some drywall mud, primer, sandpaper, etc. While I was there I noticed they had a full rack of N95 Particle Masks and no throngs of people buying them. At regular price. I didn't buy any either. I have them at home because I work with drywall while flipping houses so I buy them buy them in big boxes. Still it was nice to see them on the normal display rack.

I've heard they are selling out in the WalMart pharmacy area but I didn't both to look.


On a slightly different note... I did stock up on a bit more food for potentially near future use.

Not the freeze dried food. But more canned goods but this time included canned meats too. I feel better about our stores now. We have actually had more food at the house in the past. But the supply we have now is pretty good. And it's all food that we can use for normal meals so it will all be rotated through our normal foodstuffs.

The good thing about all this is that there is no need to panic buy anything.

Supply lines are still in place, the risk of infection in the US is still slim to none, anyone who wants to start putting away bits for a rainy day can do that easily without paying jacked up prices. A few extra this, a couple more of that. Maybe a couple things that are out of the ordinary. Better to have it if you need to self quarantine for 14, 30 or 45 days than to not have it and have no practical way to get it.
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Honestly part of our prepping may be simply staying out of the public for a bit. I think there is ZERO threat now. But every day the treat gets a little closer. If, and I say, IF this becomes an issue, it will be an issue a month or so from now. My fencing event commitments are winding down, so my travel is going to stop. Living 5 miles from the nearest town, 7 miles from the next and 8 miles the other direction to another puts us smack in the middle of nowhere. If there is a pandemic, it might just be a desirable place to live!

We still have not been approved as foster parents ... not sure why but it may be a blessing in disguise. We may delay bringing kids in the house if this becomes an issue because it will, through mandated visits to doctors offices, take us into the areas where healthy people probably should not be going! And at 59 years old, we are not young anymore and most of the complications and problems with the Corona virus seem to affect older people. Hmmm...

But as I said, no real threat today. 30, 45 or 60 days into the future that might be the same. Or it might be different. Very different. Realistically I believe this disease will spread. The question is will they figure out a reasonable treatment regimen for it and will there ever be a vaccine and/or drug supply to combat it? The longer the disease is delayed from spreading the better off we will all be.

Oddly enough, ZERO cases exist in South and Central America. ZERO cases in Africa. Both areas are being courted by the Chinese with all sorts of diplomatic and infrastructure investments. Apparently, however, very little travel.

None in Hawaii, which again I find surprising because its a natural travel route for airlines.
The kids are the biggest soft spot this nation has. Think about it, the entire nation had now gone to conglomerate schools where the smaller local schools have been closed and shuttered. If only one or two kids come to school with any contagious disease there are 100's of other kids present to share their woes with. These in turn bring it home to every corner of the county almost overnight and within a few days we could have a epidemic on our hands.
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Starting next week I'll be refreshing my gasoline supply that I always keep on hand. Some of it is a bit long in the tooth. I was bored last week and went down to the barn to tidy up a bit and found 4 cans of 5-year old gas hidden back there. I don't know how that happened. I'm presently running it through the Gator to get rid of it. I also need to change out the gas and oil in the generators. I exercise them every 2 or 3 months but I need to get some fresh, stabilized stuff in there.

Like Melensdad, I picked up some canned foods at the grocery store for emergency use. It was the kind of stuff that I will eat when my wife is off somewhere. Since I'm not fully mobile yet and back in working trim, I may run down to the preparedness store about 12 miles away and see if they have anything that I desperately need.

I checked out in the shop and I have four N95 masks. I probably need to pick up a few more if I can find them. I have a bunch of sanding and painting to do this spring anyway so they won't go to waste.
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I need more bourbon.

Yup.

Just in case.

More bourbon is always better. And Luxardo cherries, sweet vermouth and some bitters. Yup. I will befriend someone who has a working ice machine.
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