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It looks like Huckabee's 'family values' raised a monster. See the photo in the second article.

I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried. Newsweek reports an incident where several years ago Huckabee's son tortured a dog to death.

The dog part of it;
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/1...g-hanging-dog/

And the part where Huckabee leaned on his State Police Chief to drop charges - then later fired him, mentioning the dog incident:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241

The son still hasn't straightened out. This year he was arrested for bringing a loaded gun in his carry-on luggage for a flight.

Before somebody comes along and says "But Clinton got a blow job!!!" (Where's D? That was his line in any political thread) I am curious if this news changes anyone's view of Huckabee. I wasn't going to vote for him, but I had the impression of a good decent man who wouldn't scare me if he won. Not any more.
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I just look at this as someone who is gaining in the polls, and those who are sliding have been doing some deep digging to find something to save themselves. There's bound to be something on everyone who is running.

At this point, I still say he's the best choice... until I feel there's something I think should disqualify him.

Besides, there was just a case of the city council president in Akron Ohio forgetting about his gun in his briefcase before trying to carry it on a plane recently... apparently it's not a big deal now, so if it's alright for one political leader then it must be alright for the son of another political candidate.
Story here: http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/11258956.html
and here: http://www.ohio.com/news/12401276.html
(See, I guess it's fine)
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I don't usually judge somebody by the actions of a family member.
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Or what a negligent terminated employee has to say of the boss.
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Or what a negligent terminated employee has to say of the boss.

I would sooner think that Career Chief of State Police was right and his Piece of shit politician Boss was was trying to cover something up, remember Huckabee is a politician not an honored State Police Chief. I've seen in my own career too many good officers dishonored because of Politics.

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I read in the news today that a reporter was asking Monica what she thought of the Democratic candidates, and she said that she was voting Republican this year.... She said that a Democrat left a bad taste in her mouth...
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My point missed you - there's three sides to every story - my side, your side, the real side. How can you base a judgement on either of them? In any event, I bet there's dirt on both sides of that fence
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Not when it comes to Clinton and Monica! She was a very young kid and he was the most powerful man on Earth at the time. No comparison. He also disgraced the Presidency and the White House Oval Office.
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Huckabee was trashed by the Media and others because in one of his ads there was a cross on it. Every one jumped all over him because of it. It turned out it was not a cross but a section of a bookshelf. I like Huckabee and the news will not change my mind about him yet. I will also second Clinton's blow job of him being the most powerful person in the world at time and he took advantage of a young girl. And to top it off it was in the Oval Office.

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He also disgraced the Presidency and the White House Oval Office.
Okay Mike, I need to ask you do you think he was the first to ever disgrace the White House Oval Office in this way? I would bet that a few Republicans and maybe a couple other Democrats over the years may of done similar deeds in the Oval Office. The difference is they did not get caught and then flat out lie about it. The office more than likely has seen its share of old men and young women over the years. Why do you think they run for president if it is not a power thing over others? Most everyone seeks power in some shape or form over others even if it is just your foreman at work bossing you and you at home with your children. Human nature is just a terrible beast of burden to shoulder.... and for others it is just an opportunity to take advantage of the weaker ones. I really do not think Monica thought twice or cared about what she did. She never seemed to show any real honest regrets after the facts were known. She seemed to bath in the glory of her being the one just as many people seeking fame today do with their stupid stunts they pull.... as the world watches.
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I will also second Clinton's blow job of him being the most powerful person in the world at time and he took advantage of a young girl. And to top it off it was in the Oval Office. murph
Not sure we'll ever know "who took advantage of who," but, no doubt, Mr. Clinton as not only a "mature" adult, but as President of the United States should have been smart enought to excersise some moral decency.
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Not when it comes to Clinton and Monica! She was a very young kid and he was the most powerful man on Earth
You know, I really see this differently.

I volunteered on a couple of campaigns for statewide candidates years ago and one of my first observations was that about a third of the women volunteering were in it for their egoes and would have gladly been in Monica's shoes given the slightest encouragement. I've never seen such a concentration of women who were apparently voluntering just to admire a good looking candidate and if possible, get closer to him. There really is that magnetism of power that turns some women on; energizes them out of their boredom.

As I recall, we read that Clinton's very first move on Monica was when he admired how the back of her string-thong waistband was well above the top of her pants. Did she intend that? I, for one think she did. I read she pulled up the back of he blouse to give him a better look. The rest is history. Those women I worked with would gossip all day about attracting a man doing something like that. (That candidate was incorruptible so far as I know.)

None of this excuses Clinton for being real stupid and responding to Monica's flirting, but I don't agree that he seduced an innocent.

Incidentally, I don't think their affair was an issue of national importance either. Sure, he was backed into lying to try and cover it up, but that was part of the overall attack on him, not really a search for information that had any relevance to anything aside from backing him into a corner.

But how did we shift the topic onto talking about Clinton's BJ so quickly? The topic was finding a good Republican candidate. This is just a diversion.
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Not sure we'll ever know "who took advantage of who," but, no doubt, Mr. Clinton as not only a "mature" adult, but as President of the United States should have been smart enought to excersise some moral decency.
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As I recall, we read that Clinton's very first move on Monica was when he admired how the back of her string-thong waistband was well above the top of her pants. Did she intend that? I, for one think she did. I read she pulled up the back of he blouse to give him a better look. The rest is history. Those women I worked with would gossip all day about attracting a man doing something like that. (That candidate was incorruptible so far as I know.)

None of this excuses Clinton for being real stupid and responding to Monica's flirting, but I don't agree that he seduced an innocent.

No doubt Monica flirted. She wanted it just as bad and Willy did. But she was young enough to be his daughter and it seems like Monica was not the only one Willy did while in office of the Governor or the President.

As for other Presidents doing it with others in the White House it may be but I would have a hard time thinking it has happened before, but then I didn't think Willy would have done it either.

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Murph, you're an innocent. I admire people like you who can avoid a crude life but really, I've apparently seen more than you.

I refrained from telling this story as part of that post but I'll add it just to give background to my comments above:

That campaign also had a couple of real experienced middle aged women who were paid campaign staff, on leave from appointed non-civil service positions in the state legislature. They were sent over by their legislature bosses as a non-cash contribution to this candidate that would oblige him, if he got into the legislature, to follow those bosses' lead. In other words these ladies were real professional political hacks. One simply ugly, and her sister beyond ugly into frightening.

Those two egged on these younger, attractive women with tales of broom-closet bj's, and giggles over how they had to get their bosses real drunk before they could even get felt up. If a tenth of what they talked about was true they lived very colorful lives. The younger women ate it up. I think Monica would have felt at home in that bunch, learning pointers to get closer to Mr Big.

It's not right, politics shouldn't run this way, but that's simply what I observed. When I read about Monica, I recalled that long ago campaign. I think this sort or rampant amorality occurs more frequently in politics than in real life. I think the reason Larry Craig's (and that other guy's) peers didn't toss him out years ago was that they had seen it all and were unshockable.

Now lets get back to talking about the Republican presidential candidates! Really, I'm curious to hear what people think about the platforms and the chances of the Republican contenders.
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Since you asked about the Republican candidatest platforms I will give you a quick synopsis of my opinions:

I will never vote for a Democrat - this may be an oversimplification but I believe they are the party of socialism and have been largely responsible over the last 100 years or so for the slide this country has taken. So for me that leaves only Republicans or third party candidates to vote for.


I will always choose the person who at least utters the words about lowering taxes over the person who says the govt. needs more money. Even if the person who says he/she will lower taxes is lying - at least they utter the words - whereas the person who argues for more money is maybe being honest - but in my opinion the govt. takes far far far too much of my money already, so if you say you are going to take more - you can go screw yourself.


- Romney:
Since I live in MA I have at least some experience with Romney. To sum it up - he sucks. He believes the govt. should be handling health care, he will not do anything about illegal immigration, he did little to nothing to reduce taxes here, he is for the US remaining the world's policeman - which is going to bankrupt this country sooner or later. Romney has been crossed off my list.

Huckabee:
Besides the story you posted above I have read enough other really bad things about Huckabee to cross him off the list. Raised taxes, gave benefits to illegals, etc. Some of his personal beliefs cross the line if you ask me - and he is not getting any financial support - so the current surge is just an illusion in my opinion.

McCain:
Soft on immigration, apparently does not understand the law of the land (the Constitution), I have read he is prone to anger fits, has not committed to reducing the size of the govt. He is off the list as far as I am concerned. I do give him points though for some of his stands during the debates - he spoke very well against torture. He does get some things right. Too bad he sucks on a bunch of the other stuff.

Guliani:
There are so many things bad about Rudely I will wear out my fingers typing. To put it simply - the guy is just an asshole. And he is really a Democrat - the fact that he is even running as a Republican speaks to how screwed up the party is. The party establishment should have stopped him at the door and refused admittance. Needless to say - off my list.

Tancredo, Thompson;Hunter; Keyes, - all either already dropped out - or just biding their time until the poll numbers and lack of funding force them to drop out. I like some of what Thompson has to say, Hunter was occasionally good during the debates, Tancredo is a one topic candidate - illegal immigration, but he kept that topic front and center so that it is still being discussed. I actually like some of the things Keyes had to say - but he can be out there too.


Ron Paul:
In case you haven't read any of my previous posts - I am supporting Ron Paul for president.

As far as I am concerned he is right on just about everything. Put simply he is for returning this country to the Republic it was meant to be. My time to type at the moment is short - so I wont detail it all - but if you want to bother reading up I could put up a lot of links to reading material that would give you a very comprehensive overview of Ron Paul's views.

And his record shows he backs them up. Unlike all of the other candidates.

As an example I have complete confidence that if Ron Paul was the president the likelihood of unconstitutional gun legislation crossing his desk and getting signed into law is effectively 0%. With all of the others they would pull some political maneuvering or horse trading and another assault weapons ban would probably stand a good chance of passing. This is unacceptable to me. Read the Constitution dammit.
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Not sure we'll ever know "who took advantage of who," but, no doubt, Mr. Clinton as not only a "mature" adult, but as President of the United States should have been smart enought to excersise some moral decency.

Remember, he's a Democrat.... He thought he was being morally decent..
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Ron Paul:
In case you haven't read any of my previous posts - I am supporting Ron Paul for president.

As far as I am concerned he is right on just about everything. Put simply he is for returning this country to the Republic it was meant to be. My time to type at the moment is short - so I wont detail it all - but if you want to bother reading up I could put up a lot of links to reading material that would give you a very comprehensive overview of Ron Paul's views.

And his record shows he backs them up. Unlike all of the other candidates.

As an example I have complete confidence that if Ron Paul was the president the likelihood of unconstitutional gun legislation crossing his desk and getting signed into law is effectively 0%. With all of the others they would pull some political maneuvering or horse trading and another assault weapons ban would probably stand a good chance of passing. This is unacceptable to me. Read the Constitution dammit.


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Since you asked about the Republican candidatest platforms I will give you a quick synopsis of my opinions:

I will never vote for a Democrat - this may be an oversimplification but I believe they are the party of socialism and have been largely responsible over the last 100 years or so for the slide this country has taken. So for me that leaves only Republicans or third party candidates to vote for.


I will always choose the person who at least utters the words about lowering taxes over the person who says the govt. needs more money. Even if the person who says he/she will lower taxes is lying - at least they utter the words - whereas the person who argues for more money is maybe being honest - but in my opinion the govt. takes far far far too much of my money already, so if you say you are going to take more - you can go screw yourself.


- Romney:
Since I live in MA I have at least some experience with Romney. To sum it up - he sucks. He believes the govt. should be handling health care, he will not do anything about illegal immigration, he did little to nothing to reduce taxes here, he is for the US remaining the world's policeman - which is going to bankrupt this country sooner or later. Romney has been crossed off my list.

Huckabee:
Besides the story you posted above I have read enough other really bad things about Huckabee to cross him off the list. Raised taxes, gave benefits to illegals, etc. Some of his personal beliefs cross the line if you ask me - and he is not getting any financial support - so the current surge is just an illusion in my opinion.

McCain:
Soft on immigration, apparently does not understand the law of the land (the Constitution), I have read he is prone to anger fits, has not committed to reducing the size of the govt. He is off the list as far as I am concerned. I do give him points though for some of his stands during the debates - he spoke very well against torture. He does get some things right. Too bad he sucks on a bunch of the other stuff.

Guliani:
There are so many things bad about Rudely I will wear out my fingers typing. To put it simply - the guy is just an asshole. And he is really a Democrat - the fact that he is even running as a Republican speaks to how screwed up the party is. The party establishment should have stopped him at the door and refused admittance. Needless to say - off my list.

Tancredo, Thompson;Hunter; Keyes, - all either already dropped out - or just biding their time until the poll numbers and lack of funding force them to drop out. I like some of what Thompson has to say, Hunter was occasionally good during the debates, Tancredo is a one topic candidate - illegal immigration, but he kept that topic front and center so that it is still being discussed. I actually like some of the things Keyes had to say - but he can be out there too.


Ron Paul:
In case you haven't read any of my previous posts - I am supporting Ron Paul for president.

As far as I am concerned he is right on just about everything. Put simply he is for returning this country to the Republic it was meant to be. My time to type at the moment is short - so I wont detail it all - but if you want to bother reading up I could put up a lot of links to reading material that would give you a very comprehensive overview of Ron Paul's views.

And his record shows he backs them up. Unlike all of the other candidates.

As an example I have complete confidence that if Ron Paul was the president the likelihood of unconstitutional gun legislation crossing his desk and getting signed into law is effectively 0%. With all of the others they would pull some political maneuvering or horse trading and another assault weapons ban would probably stand a good chance of passing. This is unacceptable to me. Read the Constitution dammit.


The Democrats are salivating at the prospect of Huckabee getting the Republican nomination because they apparently have insight that Huckabee has "issues" and the Democrats believe they will beat him like a bad monkey. If Huckabee is the Republican Presidential candidate, we will be looking at president Obama or president Clinton in January, 2009. I'd think long and hard about tossing away your vote to Huckabee.

Romney is a pretty-boy and will carry a large portion of the clueless white female vote on his looks alone, and therefore could win. I will NOT be voting for him in the primary because he, like most Republicans, are simply Democrat lite - they are only delaying -not doing anything to stop - the socialism that the Democrats seek now.

Ron Paul is the ONLY true constitutionalist running of all the candidates and will get my vote in the primary. He also has the support of many young voters, which is a good sign to me. Please take some time and look at Ron Paul before you cast your vote for Democrat-Lite. Remember, doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results, is just plain stupid. Don't you guys see that it is time to do something truly different??
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The Democrats are salivating at the prospect of Huckabee getting the Republican nomination because they apparently have insight that Huckabee has "issues" and the Democrats believe they will beat him like a bad monkey. If Huckabee is the Republican Presidential candidate, we will be looking at president Obama or president Clinton in January, 2009. I'd think long and hard about tossing away your vote to Huckabee.

Romney is a pretty-boy and will carry a large portion of the clueless white female vote on his looks alone, and therefore could win. I will NOT be voting for him in the primary because he, like most Republicans, are simply Democrat lite - they are only delaying -not doing anything to stop - the socialism that the Democrats seek now.

Ron Paul is the ONLY true constitutionalist running of all the candidates and will get my vote in the primary. He also has the support of many young voters, which is a good sign to me. Please take some time and look at Ron Paul before you cast your vote for Democrat-Lite. Remember, doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results, is just plain stupid. Don't you guys see that it is time to do something truly different??
It appears to me you have made up your mind 100%. Do you have a secondary choice or will you just not vote if he is not the choice of the party? Or, would you actually vote for a dem if your person is not nominated? I am going to stay very open minded until the selection process is over in the primaries and then pick the least of all evils that I see available whether it is a dem, independent or republican. All politicians have a motive or they would not be running. It is just very hard to figure out if the motive is for themselves or to benefit the people.

I like what I hear and see so far about Ron Paul. I also do not think he is mainstream enough to actually get nominated and elected as a republican. People fear change and the unknown. Ron Paul is running his complete campaign on a major change in government. I hear little beyond the need for change from him. He would make a big change in the way our government does its business. The dems will go after him big time by using the lower income, elderly, minority and welfare voters and any others dependent on government for any income and benefits. Also, as he is against the bureaucracy of bigger government how will he be able to get the backing of the current bureaucrat and career people in power in government to support him? I think the career bureaucrats can be a big obstacle to overcome if they are against you. He has many stumbling blocks that others do not have and that makes it harder for him to be running even up with the others at this time.

The other problem he would have is in the legislative branch of the fedral government as it exists today. What could Ron Paul ever accomplish without support of the Congress? It could turn into the big stalemate and nothing happening government that we have ever seen. Changes in the legislative branch must be done almost prior to make any differences in what is really going on today. Remember congress has the ability to control the purse strings of government. That is where the real power lies and the president whoever he is must be able to work with congress.

These are just a few of my thoughts that run through my mind as listen and read about how each candidate is the best for the country....
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Oh thats Rich! The DEMS are saying Hukabee has "issues". LOL!
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