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Post # 715 is pretty intriguing!! Maybe Trump needs to bring this up to the WHO and the UN!!
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This is all on China. The government will never tell us the true story. Never.

Their economy is failing. The effort was to drag the US economy down to their level.

They seem to have succeeded. Make no mistake, this is war. Just a war without bullets or missiles, but a war nonetheless.

The government will NEVER tell us the whole truth in all this.
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Trump sticks it to cryin' Chuck: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...rles-e-schumer
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While this virus appears to discriminate against no one, it is only a matter of time. Virtually, all of the commercial DNA test kits that everyone has been buying to find out if they are part Chippewa and part Israeli (like their crazy grandma insisted) are processed in China - this means that China has a huge database of all the DNA for a good chunk of the rest of the world.

It's just a matter of time before some Chinese scientist engineers a virus that targets people with non-Chinese genes. It will happen someday - I guarantee you.
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While this virus appears to discriminate against no one, it is only a matter of time. Virtually, all of the commercial DNA test kits that everyone has been buying to find out if they are part Chippewa and part Israeli (like their crazy grandma insisted) are processed in China - this means that China has a huge database of all the DNA for a good chunk of the rest of the world.

It's just a matter of time before some Chinese scientist engineers a virus that targets people with non-Chinese genes. It will happen someday - I guarantee you.
We refuse to take that DNA bullshit. I know what I am, a rabid mongrel bastard. Don't need no flippin' Chinaman test to tell me that.
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YUP, Chicago has Zombies now. WTF? Partially eaten body in Chinatown.
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YUP, Chicago has Zombies now. WTF? Partially eaten body in Chinatown.
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WTF? Partially eaten body in Chinatown.
Oh! I don't know about zombies but there will no doubt be some really bad, sick jokes about this.
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Wat u takink bout? I no c your cat.
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I had to make a trip to the homedopes today.
One entrance, one exit.
They are counting and limiting how many can enter the store.
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Same thing up here. More stores closing. All hardware stores have to either close completely or go to mail order and curbside pick up.
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Yea, you're right. My wife's bush telegraph got it wrong. Still only one case in Wood County. There still aren't that many cases in the whole of East Texas. The strange thing is that the majority of the cases are in the 21 - 45 year old age group. There are still very few in the 60+ age group. I think that most of the oldsters, like me, headed for the hills at the first signs of the outbreak and we're not coming out until it's over. There are over 50 cases in Tyler, Smith County and 35 in Greg County which is Longview. Both are large medical hubs. I know that Tyler has 1500 beds ready to receive corona virus patients. I don't know about Longview. Most of the other counties have 1 to 4 cases.
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We use the 3 ply disposable masks.
While we are not in short supply as yet, they used to be throughout our facility in the wall mounts found in several locations.
Those boxes have been pulled and placed in the staff breakroom or in a specific area in central supply.

One of the older nurses fashioned cloth masks, which is all the rage now. More a fad than anything at the moment.
She made a ton of them using cloth scraps and ponytail holders.
The consensus is, "better than nothing".

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We use the 3 ply disposable masks.
While we are not in short supply as yet, they used to be throughout our facility in the wall mounts found in several locations.
Those boxes have been pulled and placed in the staff breakroom or in a specific area in central supply.

One of the older nurses fashioned cloth masks, which is all the rage now. More a fad than anything at the moment.
She made a ton of them using cloth scraps and ponytail holders.
The consensus is, "better than nothing".

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One of my former fencing students is a nurse in a hospital. They are using homemade cloth masks OVER surgical masks and also wearing them OVER the Chinese KN95 masks, which seem to be dramatically inferior to high quality 3M N95 masks.
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One of my former fencing students is a nurse in a hospital. They are using homemade cloth masks OVER surgical masks and also wearing them OVER the Chinese KN95 masks, which seem to be dramatically inferior to high quality 3M N95 masks.
I wore the homemade one over the disposable one all day yesterday.
The problem there is it's very hard on the top of the ears, from pulling it down under my chin to talk to my hard of hearing rezzies.
Then there is the question of how to clean the homemade ones.
To launder or hand wash?
One nurse suggested mild dish soap mixed with Listerine, then air dry.
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In the mean time, the virus rages across the USA. Some areas are still in good shape, but hotspots seem to be developing in many areas and hospital systems are starting to be stressed.

The new/upcoming General Motors Ventilators are not yet being produced so ventilators are still in high demand. But the reality is many states seem to have enough at the current levels of need. New York City, where they defied all common sense and their mayor rebuked 'social distancing' is the overwhelming epicenter of our problems and seems to be in short supply of everything.

While Europe has been receiving shipments of PRE-PAID unworking/unreliable and inferior Chinese crap instead of legitimate medical supplies.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...ical-equipment
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China Floods Europe With Defective COVID-19-Fighting Medical Equipment
Authored by Soeren Kern via The Gatestone Institute,

As the coronavirus rages across Europe, a growing number of countries are reporting that millions of pieces of medical equipment donated by, or purchased from, China to defeat the pandemic are defective and unusable.

The revelations are fueling distrust of a public relations effort by Chinese President Xi Jinping and his Communist Party to portray China as the world's new humanitarian superpower.

On March 28, the Netherlands was forced to recall 1.3 million face masks produced in China because they did not meet the minimum safety standards for medical personnel. The so-called KN95 masks are a less expensive Chinese alternative to the American-standard N95 mask, which currently is in short supply around the world. The KN95 does not fit on the face as tightly as the N95, thus potentially exposing medical personnel to the coronavirus.

More than 500,000 of the KN95 masks had already been distributed to Dutch hospitals before the recall was enacted.

"When the masks were delivered to our hospital, I immediately rejected them," a hospital worker told the Dutch public broadcaster NOS.

"If those masks do not seal properly, the virus particles can simply pass through. We cannot use them. They are unsafe for our people."


In a written statement, the Dutch Ministry of Health explained:
"A first shipment from a Chinese manufacturer was partly delivered last Saturday. These are masks with a KN95 quality certificate. During an inspection this shipment was found not to meet our quality standard. Part of this shipment had already been delivered to healthcare providers; the rest of the cargo was immediately withheld and not further distributed.

"A second test also showed that the masks did not meet our quality standard. It has now been decided that this entire shipment will not be used. New shipments will undergo additional tests."
The Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad reported on March 17 that the Netherlands had only a few days' supply of masks: "All hope is now for that one cargo plane from China on Wednesday." The substandard quality of the masks delivered by China has left the Netherlands shattered. A spokesperson for a hospital in Dutch city of Eindhoven said that Chinese suppliers were selling "a lot of junk...at high prices."

In Spain, meanwhile, the Ministry of Health on March 26 revealed that 640,000 coronavirus tests that it had purchased from a Chinese vendor were defective. The tests, manufactured by Shenzhen Bioeasy Biotechnology Company in Guangdong province, had an accurate detection rate of less than 30%.

On April 2, the Spanish newspaper El Mundo reported that it had been presented with leaked documents which showed that Bioeasy had lied to the Spanish government about the accuracy of the tests. Bioeasy had claimed, in writing, that its tests had an accurate detection rate of 92%.

Also on April 2, the Spanish government revealed that a further million coronavirus tests delivered to Spain on March 30 by another Chinese manufacturer were also defective. The tests apparently required between five and six days to detect whether a patient is infected with coronavirus and were therefore useless to diagnose the disease in a timely manner.

On March 25, the Spanish government announced that it had purchased medical supplies from China in the amount of €432 million ($470 million), and that Chinese vendors demanded that they be paid up front before the deliveries were made. Spanish Health Minister Salvador Illa explained:
"We have bought and paid for 550 million masks, which will start arriving now and will continue to arrive for the next eight weeks. 11 million gloves will arrive in the next five weeks. As for rapid tests, we have acquired 5.5 million for the months of March and April. In addition, we will receive 950 respirators during the months of April to June. We are managing the purchase of more equipment."
It is not at all clear how the Spanish government will be able to guarantee the quality of these new mass purchases, or how it would obtain compensation if the products from China were again substandard.

On March 28, the French government, which apparently has only a few weeks' worth of supplies, announced that it had ordered more than one billion face masks from China. It is unclear whether the quality control problems experienced by other European countries would affect France's purchasing plans.

Other countries — in Europe and beyond — have also criticized the quality of Chinese medical supplies:
  • Slovakia. On April 1, Prime Minister Igor Matovič said that more than a million coronavirus tests supplied by China for a cash payment of €15 million ($16 million) were inaccurate and unable to detect COVID-19. "We have a ton of tests and no use for them," he said. "They should just be thrown straight into the Danube." China accused Slovakian medical personnel of using the tests incorrectly.
  • Malaysia. On March 28, Malaysia received a consignment of medical equipment donated by China, consisting of test kits, medical face masks, surgical masks and other personal protective equipment. A senior official in the Ministry of Health, Noor Hisham Abdullah, said that the test kits would be evaluated for accuracy after previous test kits from China were found to be defective: "This is a different brand from the one we tested earlier. We will assess the new test kit which is FDA-approved. I was assured by the Chinese ambassador that this is more accurate than the other one we tested." Abdullah previously stated that the accuracy of the Chinese tests was "not very good."
  • Turkey. On March 27, Turkish Health Minister Fahrettin Koca said that Turkey had tried some Chinese-made coronavirus tests but authorities "weren't happy about them." Professor Ateş Kara, a member of the Turkish Health Ministry's coronavirus task force, added that the batch of testing kits were only 30 to 35% accurate: "We have tried them. They don't work. Spain has made a huge mistake by using them."
  • Czech Republic. On March 23, the Czech news site iRozhlas reported that 300,000 coronavirus test kits delivered by China had an error rate of 80%. The Czech Ministry of Interior had paid $2.1 million for the kits. On March 15, Czech media revealed that Chinese suppliers had swindled the Czech government after it paid upfront for the supply of five million face masks, which were supposed to have been delivered on March 16.

On March 30, China urged European countries not to "politicize" concerns about the quality of medical supplies from China. "Problems should be properly solved based on facts, not political interpretations," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said.

And there is generally more bad news, with only a few bright spots, as here is the daily summary from ZeroHedge:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...-wave-covid-19
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  • US nonfarm payrolls was an unmitigated disaster
  • CDC recommends Americans wear facemasks in public
  • Russia reports drop in cases after extending quarantine
  • NY COVID-19 cases top 100k
  • Bolsonaro urges country to "go back to work" as Brazil's governors say opposite
  • McConnell affirms 4th coronavirus bill in the works
  • Brazil says first COVID-19 case and death in South American happened 1 month earlier
  • Beijing says more than half of foreign diplomats identified as close contacts of COVID-19 patients
  • NJ reports jump in new cases, deaths
  • Number of recovered patients tops 250k globally
  • US reports biggest one-day jump in deaths, cases
  • Japan sees resurgence of cases continue
  • Navy hospital ship in NY only treating 20 patients
  • White House plans to pay for coronavirus care
  • CNN's Brooke Baldwin tests positive
  • Netherlands reports another 148 deaths
  • UK reports biggest daily jump in deaths
  • Thousands of small business owners excluded from 'Paycheck Protection Program'
  • Spain, Germany report encouraging deceleration in new cases
  • Singapore launches strict 14-day lockdown to fight virus resurgence
  • Trump slams 3M on twitter
  • 400M in loans doled out
  • Bank of America becomes first big bank to issue loans via the plan
  • Mnuchin confirms 'Paycheck Protection Plan' is a go
  • Tokyo mayor warns about resurgence of cases on CNN
* * *

Update (1920ET): Johns Hopkins University just updated its database of COVID-19 infections...and the death toll in the US has climbed north of 7k after US states reported 1,314 new deaths on Friday, the biggest one-day jump in the US since the outbreak began. The CDC also confirmed 31,160 new cases, the biggest one-day jump in cases, bringing the US total to 276,037.

...

President Trump said Friday that the CDC has reversed its position on face masks - it had previously recommended that Americans specifically not buy masks to alleviate supply shortages creating problems for hospitals and doctors offices - and is now officially recommending that all Americans wear masks when they venture out in public.

As we noted earlier, circumstances vary widely across the US: there are still a dozen states who haven't issued mandatory 'stay at home' orders. But as supply shortages remain, the unfortunate truth - that masks really do help prevent the spread of COVID-19 - could no longer be ignored, as more empirical evidence suggested that people should wear masks...
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I wish I could figure out how to post a link on this site. Anyway if this trend continues the folks just getting by and didn't put anything in reserve are going to be hurting units.
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Introduction

At this time, the United States is seeing what very well may be the peak in deaths from the latest human Coronavirus, also known as COVID-19. The media reporting and governmental response to this viral outbreak is unprecedented. But what is more concerning than the virus itself is our American collective response to it. It is no less than tragic. If it is not seen for what it is, it very well may mean the end of the American experiment and will lead to a new totalitarianism that will harm and persecute future generations. It is reasonable to look at the three pillars of a stable society and how each of these pillars (medical, legal/civil, religious) has addressed and responded to the virus.

Medical

Coronaviruses have been known in the United States since their discovery over 50 years ago. Certain strains of these viruses infect humans, while some tend to infect animals. It has been shown that these viruses have the ability to jump from animals to humans and vice versa. These viruses rarely cause death in humans; they are often cited as the cause of common colds. COVID-19 is for the most part acting in the same way but with a notable exception Ė it can be deadly in elderly and the immunocompromised. It hits these populations fast and hard. Nonetheless, even in Italy, where the virus has killed thousands, most of those (78.3%) over the age of 90 recovered. This is different from influenza epidemics in 1918 or 2010; those epidemics involved all ages.This ability for younger individuals to be safe from serious illness has important implications for treating the virus and will be discussed below. Ultraviolet light can be a significant treatment for the virus as UV light damages viral DNA and RNA and therefore kill it.

The only way to effectively combat the disease from a practical standpoint (other than herd immunity) is to shield those at high risk until the virus has run its course through the country. Patients with significant underlying health conditions (cancer, lung disease, immune deficiency disorders) and those over the age of 65 should isolate themselves to the best of their abilities.

Rates of death and illness

Of all the deaths reported in the United States as of today, only 2 have been in patients under 18 years of age. Currently, our death rate (deaths/confirmed cases) has been as high as 2.3% and as low as 1.1% over the past 2 weeks. The Presidentís COVID-19 Taskforce estimated that as many at 1/1000 New Yorkers may have the virus. If this were projected to the entire United States (population 328,239,523), then the total number of COVID-19 would be approximately 328, 239 and deaths from COVID-19 (1.8% death rate) at 5,909. Even if this ends up being wrong by 1,000 percent, the death rate would still be 59,000, i.e., within range of the estimates for influenza deaths.You can look at it in another way. 98% of people who get COVID-19 fully recover!

As of today (March 29, 2020) there are 123,828 confirmed cases and 2229 deaths (1.8% death rate) from COVID-19 in the United States. Compare that with the influenza estimates so far this year: 29,000 deaths! And the flu season is not yet over, with the CDC estimating as many as 59,000 will die of influenza by May of this year.

The CDC estimates that influenza like illnesses and pneumonia account for 7.3% of total deaths this year. This rate is similar to previous years. Who in the media is discussing this?

Another important point: due to a lack of testing kits (which should be resolved in the next few weeks), the total number of those who have contracted COVID-19 is much higher, as most COVID-19 infections are mild or not even felt by patients. Our ability to learn from Italy (and maybe from China) has allowed us to develop treatment strategies that werenít even considered just 6 weeks ago. These findings should make our death rate lower than other parts of the world.

There is mass confusion with regard to the statistics and the media has utilized this to bring fear and panic to the population. Statistics on who has been exposed, who has it, who is seriously ill with it and what are projected numbers of deaths have been incredibly wrong. In Great Britain, the apocalypse warning of over 200,000 deaths by some experts has recently been downgraded to 20,000. Much of the public health modelling is based on Chinese data which is completely unreliable Ė communist governments consistently lie about their situations. Italy has more reliable data but we canít say we are going the way of Italy. Their healthcare system is third world medicine with good pasta, red wine, and gelato. Italy has one of the highest rates of elderly in Europe Ė prime targets for the disease as they like to smoke and drink.* Also, northern Italy is home to the highest concentration of Chinese in Europe. Travel to and from China sparked the outbreak there.

Despite all of these facts and observations, the medical community seems to be panicked almost, at times, to the same extent as the general population. Helpful and necessary therapies and evaluations are being denied to millions of individuals due to concerns of spreading the virus. Many clinics are closed due to a misplaced fear that they will spread the virus if they stay open. For other clinics that desire to stay open, due to hoarding and panic, they have had to close due to the inability to keep stocked with necessary supplies. How many influenza deaths, heart attacks, pneumonias, fractures, etc., will be missed because the medical community is afraid to go to work? How many suicides and drug overdoses will result from our current policies? Telemedicine is used as a response to those healthcare professionals panicked about getting ill (assuming they are low risk) with this virus; there is no substitute for face-to-face interactions with patients. A little common sense could go a long way: patients with cough, fever, bronchitis could be treated over the phone. High risk patients should be isolated if they are doing well and their routine health appointments should be rescheduled.* Those who are otherwise healthy but need physical therapy, routine evaluations, follow-ups, orthopedic surgery, etc., should get them if possible. You donít need to stop seeing a 12 year old for her acne if she has no other medical problems and the doctor is low risk.

Most people donít get COVID-19. Why?

Testing of high risk people (those who most likely would get COVID-19 due to exposure to confirmed COVID-19 patients or travel from high risk areas) reveal that 90% of patients are testing negative, i.e., they have not evidence of disease. Why is that? Most likely, these patients have pre-existing immunity to the virus*from previous exposure to COVID-19*or due to cross-reactive immunity from being infected by related Coronaviruses.* Many people have stated that they suffered symptoms of Coronavirus earlier this year.* Due to a lack of testing, many people most likely have had exposure to the virus; they have developed immunity to it.

This is why the concept of herd immunity is so important.* With herd immunity, significant amounts of the population will have exposure to the virus and become immune to it.* They are no longer able to spread the virus as their immune systems kill the virus before it has a chance to grow and multiply.* That individual then becomes not a source of viral spread but a source of killing the virus.* The virus has nowhere to go and it disappears.

Public Policy is Making Things Worse


Unfortunately, our so-called public health experts have pushed for containment and mitigation.* President Trump tried early to contain the virus outside the USA with a travel ban from China.* However, a French businessman who visited China in January, came back to France, and then came to the United States out of Europe would be able to carry the virus.* Containment didnít work as the virus was documented on American soil by the end of January.

Mitigation is the concept that if you slow the spread of the virus, it will blunt the surge of cases and prevent us from overwhelming hospitals with seriously ill patients.* Mitigation efforts have included ordering people to stay in their homes, closing non-essential businesses, and restricting where people can go to locally.* This has had no impact on the virus nor should it, as these mitigation efforts are incomplete.* For example, in Michigan, people are told to stay home except to go shopping, to go to essential work, and to exercise outdoors.* Exemptions include Walmart, Home Depot, pharmacies, grocery stores (Meijer, Family Fare), and liquor stores.* The big box stores are full of bored, scared, unemployed people.* The ability of viral spread is very high in these stores.* Also, fast food stores are busy with drive through business.* It only takes one asymptomatic window cashier at these drive troughís to spread the virus to literally dozens of carloads of people.

Therefore, containment and mitigation are abject failures.* They do not help the situation because they are not being practiced!* Nor can they be; our borders are thousands of miles long.* Our population needs to eat and get medicines and health care.* It is completely unrealistic to believe that mitigation efforts can succeed in a country this big.* In totalitarian China, a wall was literally built around Wuhan, the epicenter of the epidemic, to contain and mitigate the virus.* Unless we want to become a totalitarian state, we canít do that here.* If we can learn anything from this epidemic is that mitigation efforts that destroy our economy were some of the biggest boondoggles every foisted on the American people.* Even worse, they arenít necessary.* We have better ways to combat this virus.

What can be done to end this epidemic?* The answer is herd immunity.* Let those who will not die nor become seriously ill from the disease get infected and immune to the disease.* Donít close schools Ė open them up!* Donít close universities Ė reopen them!* Let those under the age of 65 with no significant health problems go to work.* Their risk of death is very close to zero. **They become the wall that stops the virus.* Our current strategy of isolating these healthy people from the virus: a. is not working Ė the virus is still spreading and b. for those who theoretically may be shielded from the virus, they will get exposed later.* Our current strategy is actually leading to a prolonged COVID-19 season!* Herd immunity works and despite our current efforts to mess it up, herd immunity will be the ultimate reason the virus dies down.* We should promote the concept, not try to stop it.* Unlike the influenza epidemics of the past, this virus is not attacking young people.* We can use herd immunity to our collective advantage.

Media pundits falsely railed against college students spending spring break on the beaches of Florida.* Wild behavior aside, these partiers represent the most effective approach to stopping the spread of the virus, i.e., sunlight and herd immunity of the young and healthy.

If a 10 year old theoretically is not exposed to the virus and is allowed out of the house in 2 months, gets the virus (mild cold or even less symptoms) and then visits Grandma and she dies, who is responsible for that?

Public health leaders have focused on trying in vain to prevent the spread of the virus.* They have not looked at the ramifications of suicide rates when people are forced to be sequestered for this length of time.* Also lost are the mental and physical consequences of this huge hit to our economy.* Have any of these experts even remotely factored in the economic damage to our healthcare system from the loss of jobs and businesses in the United States?* It certainly does not seem to be.* No country can adequately fight an enemy like an infectious disease without a working economy.

Legal/Civil

Many are more concerned with what is happening to American society than what the virus will do to us medically.* Bad government policies are leading to economic destruction, possibly on a scale not ever seen in our country.* This is being imposed upon us.* State governors seem almost in a race to see who can cause the most dramatic removal of basic constitutional liberties.* Some states have police officers pulling people over to quiz them where they are going.* Some businesses have printed papers that their employees carry to show they are going to work in an essential business.* All of this for a projected 5909 deaths from the virus!* All of this is reminiscent of Nazi and communist state control of people.* It seems to be working; with their willing accomplices in the media, Americans at this time are seemingly eager to exchange their freedom for what they believe to be security and safety.* What they donít realize is if this is allowed to continue, they will lose their security, safety and their freedom.

What will happen with the next epidemic?* Will we do this for the next outbreak of flu? Or Strep? Or drug overdoses?* What type of precedent will this set?

Federal and state leaders are using bad public health policy to promote even worse regulation.* Several have remarked that this epidemic offers those who wish to subdue the population an excellent way to see what works and how long it takes to corral people into almost total submission; itís taking about a month.

Religious

(note Catholic bendĖ author is Catholic)

Due to panic about the virus, most churches have closed.* This may be unprecedented in world history. Throughout the ages, churches have been open and increasingly active during times of famine, pestilence, and war.* Instead, what is happening in the United States is that churches have shuttered.* For Catholics who believe that the Mass is the ultimate church service that provides the most proper atonement for sins and petition in times of strife, the closure of churches is just plain wrong.* Perhaps this is a chastisement of God for a society that is post truth: *it is post-Christian and post-science (exhibited by panic, even among physicians and scientists).* Where is the call for prayer, repentance, and mercy?* President Trump announced a national day of prayer for this virus.* Where were our bishops?* The only observation that can be made is that American bishops, as a group, lack supernatural faith. *Whatís also disgusting is that they are offering no pushback whatsoever for the denial of religious liberty instituted by numerous governors. Having outdoor services and instructing church members to stay home if they are ill or at high risk for infection are common sense measures to employ.* If we are concerned about social distancing, how about increasing the number of church services (as has been done by some churches in the United States) instead of closing them?*

Our Father, Who art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy Name.*Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us.*And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.*Have mercy on us.* Free us from the grip of fear and panic.*Forgive us for all of the wrongdoing that should bring Your wrath upon us.

Martin Dubravec, MD
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Immunologist Allergy and Asthma Specialists of Cadillac Cadillac, MI
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