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Oh great, yet another new EPA regulation making things more expensive for everyone

Cowboy

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Buisiness as usual. :ermm:

Just in case you needed yet another example of Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency going above and beyond the call of duty in putting their own nebulous agenda before the concerns of the American people, here ya’ go.

The EPA, working through the auspices of the U.S. Coast Guard, is set to begin enforcing a new rule on August 1st that will require all large marine vessels (like cargo and cruise ships) sailing in southern Alaska waters to use low-sulfur fuel. The EPA is justifying the regulation as an extension of an amendment to a treaty, the International Convention for the Prevention of Pollution from Ships (MARPOL), that Hillary Clinton accepted in 2010. The problem is that our Senate has yet to ratify that particular amendment — but when have such minute legal particulars ever bothered the EPA?
Fortunately, Alaska is fighting back — on Friday, the state filed a lawsuit against the Obama administration to try and block the costly new regulation.
The lawsuit faults the EPA, the Department of Homeland Security and others for using a marine treaty amendment as the basis for the new federal regulations without waiting for ratification of that amendment by the U.S. Senate.
The Alaska Department of Law said in a statement that the low-sulfur-fuel requirement would be costly, jacking up prices for products shipped by marine vessel and harming Alaska’s cruise industry. …
“There are reasonable and equally effective alternatives for the Secretary and the EPA to consider which would still protect the environment but dramatically reduce the severe impact these regulations will have on Alaskan jobs and families.”
Totem Ocean Trailer Express, a major shipper operating in Alaska, estimates that the move to low-sulfur fuel will increase its costs by 8 percent, Geraghty said.
Really, Obama administration? You’re already denying a boatload of jobs, wealth, revenue, and economic growth to Alaskans by disallowing them access to a bunch of their own oil and gas, and now you’re butting in with an ill-thought-out, overzealous regulation that will negatively impact the thousands of jobs in the shipping and cruise industries? The Alaskan economy just can’t seem to catch a break from these people!

When you impose costs on businesses, you’re also imposing costs on the consumers of that product and the employees who produce it — prices go up, people stand to lose their jobs, and the economy suffers. It sounds like there are other alternatives the EPA might consider (and you’d think they would, given their penchant for long, drawn-out environmental impact reviews!), and again, the United States hasn’t even agreed to the shipping treaty’s new amendment yet. This is just another example of an out-of-control independent regulatory agency grabbing more power for itself and using fiat to enforce their green worldview, the costs be damned. Bad form, EPA.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/07/...on-making-things-more-expensive-for-everyone/
 

tiredretired

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One of the reasons I was a Ron Paul supporter was the fact he wanted to eliminate the EPA as well as the other dead wood within our Gov't. The EPA has to go. They have outlived whatever usefulness they ever had. I know the liberals love to point out that it was under a Republican president that they were formed. Tricky Dickie I believe. But it has been under the liberals that this organization has been corrupted to what we see today. Enviro-nazis.
 

mak2

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I seen an eagle on the way home from Richmond on New Years day. First one I had seen in Indiana. Oh, and I jog down the White River in Indianapolis, it doesnt stink anymore. It used to. Yea, pesky EPA, get rid of it.
 

JEV

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I seen an eagle on the way home from Richmond on New Years day. First one I had seen in Indiana. Oh, and I jog down the White River in Indianapolis, it doesnt stink anymore. It used to. Yea, pesky EPA, get rid of it.
Unions started out to benefit the people as well, and now they are all corrupt. Same shit, different group. It's not about the good they have done, but rather, the harm they are doing today with job killing regulations (working Obama's socialist agenda under his directions). Anytime you give absolute power to people, it will become corrupt before your head hits the pillow that night. They do their best to protect the wildlife for you to enjoy, and will throw you in jail for harming a protected species, while allowing the murder of innocent, unborn children because some misguided and corrupt judges said it was just fine to murder babies who have not been born. Have you ever seen the videos of a baby in the womb fighting for its life while the butcher shoves his suction tube against its body? Same government, different bunch of bureaucrats pandering to that ultimate socialist agenda of total government control of our lives, and giving freedom to kill when it meets their needs. Don't try to tug at any heartstrings here about a bird in the air, while thousands of infertile couples cannot adopt a baby because your government funded "murder central, " aka Planned Parenthood, is sending young girls to butchers to suction the life from their wombs, depriving them of their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But, hey, the fucking eagle makes you all warm and fuzzy while people lose their jobs and babies continue to die, so I guess we know where your priorities are. The bird is more important than people.
 

tiredretired

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What's wrong with the EPA? by William Sanjour. An EPA foot soldier who tells it like it is.

A few quotes from his article:

The people who get ahead are those clever ones with a talent for procrastination, obfuscation, and coming up with superficially plausible reasons for accomplishing nothing.

Hundreds of people in the EPA have spent tens of millions of dollars and have advanced their careers by busily drawing up work plans, attending meetings, making proposals, writing reports, giving briefings, conducting studies, and accomplishing nothing.
 

mak2

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I am anti abortion, and I really dont see what that or unions have to do with the EPA. With unions, however, I do see a coorelation. Without unions the Amercian worker would be working for minimum wage in a few years. The sad thing is, the EPA does not really have limitless power in this country, corporations come much closer. And much like unions, where there no EPA, the White River would stink in a few years and no longer be the small mouth bass haven it is now. Course you still cant eat them because of the heavy metals on the riverbed. No, we need unions and EPA and several other controls on capitalism, like it or not.

Do you think "sending young girls to butchers" might just be a bit off topic?
Unions started out to benefit the people as well, and now they are all corrupt. Same shit, different group. It's not about the good they have done, but rather, the harm they are doing today with job killing regulations (working Obama's socialist agenda under his directions). Anytime you give absolute power to people, it will become corrupt before your head hits the pillow that night. They do their best to protect the wildlife for you to enjoy, and will throw you in jail for harming a protected species, while allowing the murder of innocent, unborn children because some misguided and corrupt judges said it was just fine to murder babies who have not been born. Have you ever seen the videos of a baby in the womb fighting for its life while the butcher shoves his suction tube against its body? Same government, different bunch of bureaucrats pandering to that ultimate socialist agenda of total government control of our lives, and giving freedom to kill when it meets their needs. Don't try to tug at any heartstrings here about a bird in the air, while thousands of infertile couples cannot adopt a baby because your government funded "murder central, " aka Planned Parenthood, is sending young girls to butchers to suction the life from their wombs, depriving them of their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But, hey, the fucking eagle makes you all warm and fuzzy while people lose their jobs and babies continue to die, so I guess we know where your priorities are. The bird is more important than people.
 

tiredretired

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Here's an original concept. Each state already has their own environmental agencies. Let them decide what is best for themselves. It's called states rights. Really.

From the midwest? In love with that crappy E15? Then use it if you like it so damn much. Don't force us up here to use that shit if we don't want to.

There is a huge market up here for non ethanol gas because of the boating, farming and logging industries. But, it is only available for three months of the year due to federal regulations. It comes out of Canada. Nobody wants to run that ethanol shit in their outboard engines, chainsaws and in my beloved Lawnboy 2 Stroker that the EPA mandated out of existence after 2004. AssHats.

Stay the hell away from our affairs and let us decide what type of gas is best for our type of economy. What is so hard about that for liberals to fathom.?

Again, the EPA needs to go away.

Oh, and for the record. I resized my jets in the carb on my Lawnboy 2 stroker to run not as lean as the EPA mandates. It now gets more oil to the engine, runs cooler and as a result runs smoother, has more power all at a cost of slightly more gas consumption and a nice bule smoke hue. Screw you EPA!
 

JEV

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I am anti abortion, and I really dont see what that or unions have to do with the EPA. With unions, however, I do see a coorelation. Without unions the Amercian worker would be working for minimum wage in a few years. The sad thing is, the EPA does not really have limitless power in this country, corporations come much closer. And much like unions, where there no EPA, the White River would stink in a few years and no longer be the small mouth bass haven it is now. Course you still cant eat them because of the heavy metals on the riverbed. No, we need unions and EPA and several other controls on capitalism, like it or not.

Do you think "sending young girls to butchers" might just be a bit off topic?
No I don't. It's another government intervention where they do not belong. In this case, it's legalizing murder of unborn children by stripping the rights of the unborn in favor of pandering to the minority who use abortion as their birth control method.

The EPA works at the bidding of the POTUS to achieve his agenda, which in the case of Obama, is to burden successful business with regulations weighty enough to cost jobs, then to blame those same businesses by saying they are cutting jobs in favor of profit (the evil of socialism). This panders to those who embrace government expansion and redistribution of wealth to those who have not earned it, sometimes referred to as the "have nots."

Before labeling me a heartless bastard, I embrace taking care of those who genuinely cannot take care of themself, and I put my money and time where my mouth is.

Keep in mind that government creates nothing, and exists solely by taking from the people. the more they can take, the more they can spend and squander by buying votes with social programs for the lazy. EPA regulations is just another way to extort money from successful business through burdensome, job killing regulations and fines.
 

Kane

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Keep in mind that government creates nothing, and exists solely by taking from the people. the more they can take, the more they can spend and squander by buying votes with social programs for the lazy. EPA regulations is just another way to extort money from successful business through burdensome, job killing regulations and fines.
Also keep in mind that mak2's president, as arrogant as he is (Hussien that is), firmly believes that if he cannot legislate it, then he'll regulate it. The failure to pass his Cap & Tax bill is a perfect example. Upon its rejection in Congress, Hussien simply has the EPA do his biding - calling CO2 a toxic gas in need of punitive regulation.
 

mak2

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I am not addressing the abortion issue with you. for one I agree with you, except that it is not Obama trying to control the world, but an evil that should end. Not by force, but by faith.

Ok, lets say the EPA is gone, what will keep the companies from dumping their wastes in the White River again? Why dont we use DDT, it is very effective and will profit a lot of companies, (there goes my eagles). Er how bout just get rid of all this air polution control stuff, big profits quick, and smog aint so bad, LA and Denver loves it. I remember the 60's and 70's. I dont want it back anytime soon.
 

mak2

Active member
You Canadian?
Also keep in mind that mak2's president, as arrogant as he is (Hussien that is), firmly believes that if he cannot legislate it, then he'll regulate it. The failure to pass his Cap & Tax bill is a perfect example. Upon its rejection in Congress, Hussien simply has the EPA do his biding - calling CO2 a toxic gas in need of punitive regulation.
 

Cowboy

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Here's an original concept. Each state already has their own environmental agencies. Let them decide what is best for themselves. It's called states rights. Really.

From the midwest? In love with that crappy E15? Then use it if you like it so damn much. Don't force us up here to use that shit if we don't want to.

There is a huge market up here for non ethanol gas because of the boating, farming and logging industries. But, it is only available for three months of the year due to federal regulations. It comes out of Canada. Nobody wants to run that ethanol shit in their outboard engines, chainsaws and in my beloved Lawnboy 2 Stroker that the EPA mandated out of existence after 2004. AssHats.

Stay the hell away from our affairs and let us decide what type of gas is best for our type of economy. What is so hard about that for liberals to fathom.?

Again, the EPA needs to go away.

Oh, and for the record. I resized my jets in the carb on my Lawnboy 2 stroker to run not as lean as the EPA mandates. It now gets more oil to the engine, runs cooler and as a result runs smoother, has more power all at a cost of slightly more gas consumption and a nice bule smoke hue. Screw you EPA!
Around here the only places you can even buy non ethanol gas are the friggen Farmers Coops. :doh: Go figure. :ermm:
 

300 H and H

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Low sulphur fuel in an older marine engine will kill it in a few hundred hours I bet... Unless they can add a lube package to it that will enhance the lubricity. Or B2 bio diesel does the same, and is aproved already. Costs more though...

Regards, Kirk
 

mak2

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I just want people to quit being so damn partisan and just use thier head. Of couse we dont want the polluition of the 70's, nor do we want to hinder buisness. But there has to be a balance, Corporations are not going to be concerned with the environment, just the profits and I seriously doubt the EPA wants to destroy America economy.
 

JEV

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ok, i guess we have no hope then. Maybe your guy will get elected and we can catch up on our pollution.
Wa, wa, wa, wa. You sound like a broken record, regurgitating the bullshit the left has fed you. But I expect this from an academician, especially one who thinks I hate education. I don't hate higher education, I hate, loathe, despise and revile the partisan professors who live in a fucking bubble with a cloudy skin, and try to force their ideals on the little sponges that are in their charge. They are a cancer on our society and should be prohibited from breeding, much less teaching our children. Two of my kids got failing grades in college when they differed with one of these liberal, socialist bastards. They are a one-show pony and nothing more.

Those who can, do.

Those who can't, teach.

The rest become short order cooks.
 

mak2

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:yum: you got baggage.
Wa, wa, wa, wa. You sound like a broken record, regurgitating the bullshit the left has fed you. But I expect this from an academician, especially one who thinks I hate education. I don't hate higher education, I hate, loathe, despise and revile the partisan professors who live in a fucking bubble with a cloudy skin, and try to force their ideals on the little sponges that are in their charge. They are a cancer on our society and should be prohibited from breeding, much less teaching our children. Two of my kids got failing grades in college when they differed with one of these liberal, socialist bastards. They are a one-show pony and nothing more.

Those who can, do.

Those who can't, teach.

The rest become short order cooks.
 

Catavenger

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But there has to be a balance,
Yeah I remember that "Hope and change," stuff. Doesn't seem to me that Obama has been willing to want to work with the Republican party (or even the more moderate Democrats.) In my opinion he just lied and said a bunch of crap to get elected then once in office it was "my way or the highway."
 

Cowboy

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Yeah I remember that "Hope and change," stuff. Doesn't seem to me that Obama has been willing to want to work with the Republican party (or even the more moderate Democrats.) In my opinion he just lied and said a bunch of crap to get elected then once in office it was "my way or the highway."
Well yea, theres that, but.........:doh:
 

bczoom

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Get back to EPA regs or thread is no longer of value and will be closed.

Attack the issue, not the members.
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