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Donald Trump Is Right. MS-13 Members Are Animals

Jim_S

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Donald Trump Is Right. MS-13 Members Are Animals
USA Today/Caleb Howe, Opinion Contributor

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ce-animals-immigrants-media-column/621537002/

Street gang MS-13, infamous for vicious machete killings, is first to be declared an international criminal group.” That’s a headline from the Daily Mail in 2012.

“The gratuitous acts of violence these now-convicted gang members committed were intended to spread fear.” That’s a description from acting U.S. Attorney John Horn about a 2015 murder conviction in Georgia.

“Video of the mutilated bodies was sent to a girlfriend of one of the victims.” “She was walking home one evening with Nisa, a basketball teammate one day shy of her 16th birthday, when MS-13 members spotted them and attacked with a machete and baseball bats.” “A large butcher knife, a bloodstained baseball hat and three 9mm handguns were also found in the car.”
Those are all different incidents. All MS-13.

On Wednesday, President Trump was speaking as part of his roundtable discussion on California’s sanctuary laws and was asked about MS-13. His response set off a firestorm.

Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims brought up the gang and her department’s ability to combat them: “There could be an MS-13 member that I know about” and yet can’t report to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Trump replied, saying in part, “These aren't people. These are animals."

The controversy blew up when people and news organizations used the quote or clip without the context of Mims’ question.

Trump wasn’t calling all illegal immigrants animals. One widely favored and retweeted response referred to Trump’s remark as the “language of ethnic cleansing.”

Quickly, though, people on the right (and some journalists) corrected the record. That it was about MS-13 was reported more widely. Even so, many on the left, including notably House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, simply recalibrated to defend the humanity of the gang itself.

“Does he not believe in the spark of divinity, the dignity and worth of every person?” Pelosi asked.

Likewise, CNBC’s John Harwood said, “However repugnant their actions, MS-13 gang members are human beings IMHO.”

Madness.

The question is whether it was fair or wise of Trump to call MS-13 animals, and whether it’s a morally objectionable statement overall.

The American Heritage Dictionary third definition of “animal” is “a person who behaves in a bestial or brutish manner.” By that definition, “animal” isn’t nearly strong enough.

Today's news spat over MS-13 is part of a longer-running drama. Since Trump took office, there has been an effort to downplay the gang’s significance even as Trump has rhetorically raised its profile.

He's not the only president to do so. In 2012 — you know, under President Obama — MS-13 was formally designated a transnational criminal organization by the Treasury Department. At the time, this was characterized approvingly as a “crackdown” by the Obama administration.

MS-13 (or Mara Salvatrucha), a primarily El Salvador-based gang that started in Los Angeles, was believed to have about 10,000 members across the country at that time and Central America. They were known for hacking enemies to death, executing people in broad daylight in view of witnesses, and fatally beating people with bats.

►In 2013, two gang members beat and hacked a 16-year-old Houston teen to death using bats and machetes. They also almostdecapitated him, the Houston Chronicle reported. The gang suspected he had shared information with El Salvadoran police. Both killers were sentenced 35 years in prison. Both were from El Salvador, here illegally. One had been picked up previously on an immigration charge, a common thread for the gang. That’s why it comes up in the context of sanctuary city roundtables.

►In 2017, as many as10 MS-13 members stabbed a man more than 100 times in Maryland. They decapitated him and cut out his heart. The first suspect charged, who allegedly stabbed first, wasMiguel Angel Lopez-Abrego, of El Salvador, who was here illegally.

►Also last year, MS-13 members shot an unidentified girl who was thought to be 15 in the head and chest, leaving her body in the middle of a busy street in Houston’s Chinatown. The murderer said he killed her to appease Satan. “The beast did not want a material offering, but wanted a soul,” he said. He was from El Salvador originally, and here illegally.

Way back in 2003, Brenda Paz was famously murdered by MS-13 after cooperating with police as an informant. CBS News’ Dan Rather reported on the slaying.

Rather reported that MS-13 conducted "investigations” and held meetings where they went over things like recruitment, drug sales and murder. A “greenlight” was unanimously agreed upon to assassinate Paz at such a meeting. Paz was lured to a fishing trip with her boyfriend, who along with his fellow gang member stabbed her to death in front of a witness.

The list goes on:
►In 2017, four gang members were arrested for a spree of 10 murders in Las Vegas.
►In 2014, MS-13 “enforcers” were deployed by a cartel to kidnap and torture teenagers in St. Paul.
►In 2012, Dennis Gil-Bernardez, a Honduran native and a leader in the gang, was sentenced to 80 years for, among many other crimes, stabbing a man to death on a street in Washington, D.C.
►Four men were hacked to death on Long Island, N.Y.
►A 15-year-old girl was tortured, had a tattoo cut off, and then was stabbed to death.

The documentation of the gang’s brutality is long and horrifying. Murder, torture, rape, dismemberment, mutilation. These are heinous acts, and we’re meant to know it. They are committed for that reason, to shock and terrorize, silence and warn. MS-13 means for you to be repelled and horrified.

Calling the people who commit these acts "animals" doesn't dehumanize them. Their actions dehumanize them. Just because the president has said bad things about immigrants in the past is no reason to condemn him today.

Whatever you think about the president, it’s not responsible or reasonable to object when the president tells the truth about a brutal street gang.

Caleb Howe is a blogger and the former managing editor of Red State. Follow him on Twitter: @CalebHowe.

You can read diverse opinions from our Board of Contributors and other writers on the Opinion front page, on Twitter @usatodayopinion and in our daily Opinion newsletter. To respond to a column, submit a comment to letters@usatoday.com.
 

tiredretired

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I have to say I kind of disagree with that assessment. My dog is an animal and comparing her to MS-13 is a real insult to her.
 

mla2ofus

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MS 13 needs the same kind of justice applied to them as they mete out to others!! A bullet to the head would be too quick and merciful!!
Mike
 

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MS-13 members spotted them and attacked with a machete and baseball bats.” “A large butcher knife, a bloodstained baseball bats and three “A large butcher knife, a bloodstained baseball hat and three 9mm handguns were also found in the car.”


But by all means BAN 9mm handguns

(Where is the "Sarcasm Icon " when I need it?)
 
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Danang Sailor

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But by all means BAN 9mm handguns

(Where is the "Sarcasm Icon " when I need it?)
Feel free to use my solution, taken from computer programming:


<sarcasm> = Start sarcasm
</sarcasm> = End sarcasm


They'll work until Doc gets us a Sarcasm font.
 

Doc

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Feel free to use my solution, taken from computer programming:


<sarcasm> = Start sarcasm
</sarcasm> = End sarcasm


They'll work until Doc gets us a Sarcasm font.

I like your way DS. If I did supply a sarcasm font many still would not understand. Your way is simple, and it works. A keeper. :tiphat:
 

Jim_S

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Feel free to use my solution, taken from computer programming:


<sarcasm> = Start sarcasm
</sarcasm> = End sarcasm


They'll work until Doc gets us a Sarcasm font.


Should sarcasm have its own font style?

By Maura Judkis
December 13, 2011

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...3/gIQA7q9zrO_blog.html?utm_term=.5bcf3843f42c

Sarcasm, which depends heavily on its bearer’s delivery, can be easily misconstrued online. Sarcasm in the real world is emphasized with facial gestures and inflection. On Gchat and Twitter, though, sarcastic quips are often taken seriously — and can cause real problems.

Melissa Bell wrote about one Twitter user, frustrated that the media automatically looked to the Muslim community for a culprit during a Norwegian shooting spree earlier this year, who started the sarcastic hashtag #blamethemuslims. But many people took it seriously, and when it spread, it had the opposite effect that the user intended — especially when translated to other languages.

Several people have tried in vain to invent a written indication of sarcasm. The irony mark, a backwards question mark, has been used for statements that aren’t supposed to be taken seriously — for example, “Yeah, Kim Kardashian really married Kris Humphries for love؟” But even an inverse question mark can make us read the sentence as a question, rather than a statement of irony.

Others have invented sarcasm fonts (which look like a slightly-dopier Comic Sans), and sarcasm marks (which look sort of like an upside-down @ with a dot in the middle). The latter was marketed by SarcMarc, a company that sold the punctuation as a $2 download — angering many Internet users who argued that all punctuation should be free. A group called Open Sarcasm, formed in opposition to SarcMarc, advocates for the Ethiopic sarcasm mark, which is free, and looks like an upside-down exclamatiom mark:¡ And the geeks who want to indicate sarcasm often use faux-html code, like this: <sarcasm> great idea </sarcasm>.

Dave Barry, likely sarcastically, pointed to one sarcasm communication method that he notes is just brilliant. But I think it could work. The sarcastic font style that would designate sarcasm with a backwards italic left-slant. It will not work on our CMS — <sarcasm>so yeah, it’s got a great chance at succeeding</sarcasm> — but if it were widely adopted, compatible with all systems, and easy to use with just a keyboard shortcut, we’d be able to prevent sarcasm-related fights online easily. It’s also not too similar to any other punctuation or font styles we already use that could muddle its meaning — italics already mean emphasis, so backwards italics could easily be interpreted as sarcasm.

Sarcasm marks and fonts would be useful, but they could also destroy the art of a good, witty sarcastic barb by making it too obvious. For some, half of the fun of sarcasm is watching in disbelief when people take your outlandish statements seriously. So, when you see someone online saying that Chelsea Clinton makes a really charismatic TV reporter, some will smile knowingly, and others will have to puzzle over their taste — until a proper sarcasm font or mark is designated, that is.
 

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