Trump attacking his base: the Conservatives, Tea Party, Liberty Caucus

Melensdad · Mar 30, 2017

Looks like a stirring round of I TOLD YOU SO is coming from some of us who were very skeptical of Trump.

NOT THAT THIS MEANS WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF WITH HILLARY, we would not have been.

BUT clearly Trump is not the conservative that many people chose to mistakenly believe. He is openly now hostile to the Conservative members of his own party. To the point that it appears he wants to see moderates run in primaries against them. To the point that the NY Times is now praising Trump, albeit modestly. To the point that Trump wants to work with Democrats like Schumer to "fix" the ObamaCare bill instead of a repeal or even a repeal & replace.

There is a sucker born every minute ... and Trump played MILLIONS of his core voters as suckers.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14936/trumps-war-freedom-caucus-continues-we-must-fight-ben-shapiro

Trump’s War On Conservatives Continues: ‘We Must Fight Them’

On Thursday morning, President Trump’s war on the Freedom Caucus continued via Twitter:

@realDonaldTrump
The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!

This follows hard on last week’s tweetstorm targeting the Freedom Caucus over the failure of his Trumpcare plan:

@realDonaldTrump
Democrats are smiling in D.C. that the Freedom Caucus, with the help of Club For Growth and Heritage, have saved Planned Parenthood & Ocare!

Trump has now made clear just where he stands: against conservatives in Congress.

This isn’t a strategy. It’s puerile idiocy. Some of Trump’s most ardent supporters have been urging Trump to walk across the aisle in order to work with Democrats – but the same tweet targeting the Freedom Caucus for potential 2018 primaries also targets Democrats. Let’s do some simple math. There are 246 Republicans in Congress. Trump needs 218 Congresspeople to pass anything. There are 30 members of the Freedom Caucus – and there are 10 to 15 moderates who weren’t fond of Trumpcare. So by alienating every Freedom Caucus member and attacking Democrats too, Trump has mathematically deprived himself of a majority in Congress.

Furthermore, the entire Trumpcare debacle reeks of kabuki theater: Trump pushes a bill he knows is going to go down, then immediately turns on his right flank in order to move to the populist center. Only it’s incompetent kabuki theater, because Democrats aren’t interested in working with Trump: they just want to jerk him around for a couple years, prevent him from passing anything meaningful, and then take back Congress in 2018.

And this strategy tells us the truth about where Trump’s sympathies always lay: in the political center. Being anti-establishment does not mean being conservative. Trump is anti-establishment in manner but not in policy. He’s not a small government Tea Party conservative – those are the people in the Freedom Caucus, virtually all of whom ardently backed Trump in the general election. Trump is actively attacking those people out of either simple pique or the 4D chess “strategery” of a five-year-old child.

This is the brilliant negotiator we’ve heard so much about?

Perhaps Trump’s idea here is to peel off some wavering members of the Freedom Caucus for his future agenda items. He doesn’t need to do that if he just proposes good legislation. But if his goal is to do that, the members of the Freedom Caucus and their political fellow travelers don’t seem particularly eager to buckle the knee:

@RepThomasMassie
.@realDonaldTrump it's a swamp not a hot tub. We both came here to drain it. #SwampCare polls 17%. Sad! https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/847435163143454723 …
AND
@justinamash
It didn't take long for the swamp to drain @realDonaldTrump. No shame, Mr. President. Almost everyone succumbs to the D.C. Establishment. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/847435163143454723 …

And even if Trump did succeed in turning the Freedom Caucus into just another establishment outlet, would that help the Republican Party or the conservative cause? Of course not.

But at least Trump has Paul Ryan to fall back on:

This is a joke. If Daddy Trump decides to cheat on Mommy Conservatives with Mistress Democrats, that's just because Mommy Conservatives didn't go to bed with him enough when he demanded things they weren't willing to do?

Trump entered the White House on the promise to destroy the way Washington D.C. does business. Instead, he’s been co-opted by Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to the extent of attacking the most conservative members of his own party – and watching Ryan and McConnell make excuses for him.

Who’s the establishment now?

If Trump wants to have a successful presidency, he can’t go to war with his base. And conservatives are still the base of the Republican Party, even if he thinks he’s going to cut Big Deals with unspecified players, none of whom have shown any penchant to go along with his program for a hot second.

Melensdad · Mar 30, 2017

BOOM ... another analysis that shows that Trump lied to his loyal base :hammer:

Follow the link for the entire article but this sums things up nicely for those who drank the Tump Kool-Aid:

http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/30/trump-declares-war-on-the-freedom-caucus

Eagle-eyed observers might note that the president has a problem with math here. Namely, if you subtract the 32 or so members of the House Freedom Caucus, that wipes out nearly all of the Republican Party's current 34-seat majority (which will likely swell back up to 37 once vacated seats are filled) in the House of Representatives. A handful of GOP senators—most notably Rand Paul and Mike Lee, occasionally Ted Cruz and Jeff Flake—could be seen as HFC co-conspirators, and WHOOPS there goes your 52-48 whip-count. A party looking to pass legislation can "fight" against the Freedom Caucus or fight against the Democrats; but until there is any sign of a centrist-Dem flight toward a historically unpopular Republican president, you really do have to pick just one.

FrancSevin · Mar 30, 2017

Lot's of critters in the swamp. They are all slimy and mostly all bite.
So what's the beef? :whistling:

President Trump is draining the swamp. Nobody there is gonna be completely happy with the changes. Should he therefore stop?

As for Obamacare Lite,,,; I think it's failure was the plan all along. Now everyone in DC knows the have to work together to do something or Obamacare will bury them all. Sounds to me like the drill Sargent has them looking for a female mosquito.

leadarrows · Mar 30, 2017

Hillary would be worse. So who can we get to run next time that is electable and would be better?

Melensdad · Mar 30, 2017

FrancSevin said:
Lot's of critters in the swamp. They are all slimy and mostly all bite.
So what's the beef?

President Trump is draining the swamp. Nobody there is gonna be completely happy with the changes. Should he therefore stop?

As for Obamacare Lite,,,; I think it's failure was the plan all along. Now everyone in DC knows the have to work together to do something or Obamacare will bury them all. Sounds to me like the drill Sargent has them looking for a female mosquito.

No I do not think he is draining the swamp. I think he is ensuring that the swamp is maintained. Going after the Tea Party members is not draining the swamp :whistling:

Melensdad · Mar 30, 2017

leadarrows said:
Hillary would be worse. So who can we get to run next time that is electable and would be better?

Yup, I pointed that out. But the blind following of Trump is going to undo the whole Tea Party. Any progress that has been made in the house & senate is going to be undone by Trump.

Just pointing out the facts.

Melensdad · Mar 30, 2017

This report, from left leaning THE HILL, tells the story pretty well. Full story at the link: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/326487-former-chairman-defends-freedom-caucus

Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan, the former chairman of the House Freedom Caucus, defended conservative lawmakers after President Trump threatened Thursday morning to "fight" them in 2018 elections for refusing to back the GOP's healthcare plan.

"The Freedom Caucus is trying to change Washington. This bill keeps Washington the same, plain and simple," Jordan said Thursday on Fox News's "America's Newsroom."

"We appreciate the president; we are trying to help the president. But the fact is, you have to look at the legislation. It doesn't do what we told the voters we were going to do, and the American people understand that. That's why only 17 percent of the population supports this legislation."

Danang Sailor · Mar 30, 2017

FrancSevin said:
... Sounds to me like the drill Sargent has them looking for a female mosquito.

Well said, Franc. Bravo Zulu! :clap:

After seven years, the best Ryan and Company could produce was ... Obamacare Lite? If ever a plan deserved a quick death, this was it. Now, with the ACA getting ready to commit financial seppukuthey're going to have to come up with a real plan; putting a band-aid on the ACA won't cut it!

Melensdad · Mar 30, 2017

Danang Sailor said:
After seven years, the best Ryan and Company could produce was ... Obamacare Lite? If ever a plan deserved a quick death, this was it. Now, with the ACA getting ready to commit financial seppukuthey're going to have to come up with a real plan; putting a band-aid on the ACA won't cut it!

And yet, ObamaCare Lite is exactly what Trump was advocating :whistling:

And still, ObamaCare Lite is exactly what Trump is still working toward :hammer:

And on top of that, the very same conservatives that are the ones who got Trump elected at the same conservatives that Trump is going to war against.

Just pointing out facts.

Melensdad · Mar 30, 2017

And the articles just keep coming but the Trump Kool-aid drinkers are too blind to see? Like I said, he's better than Hillary. But real conservatives could have stopped him during the primary, instead populists bought his story.

HE IS THE ESTABLISHMENT we all oppose :hammer:

Will we never learn? Obama supporters heard what they wanted to hear. Trump supporters heard what they wanted to hear. Many people pointed out that Obama was basically a socialists, his supporters didn't ever believe it. Many people pointed out that Trump is not a real conservative, his supporters have yet to believe that. Hopefully the Trump supporters will actually wake up and put pressure on him and the whole of the GOP to save this country from a death spiral, not just in health care but in government growth, over-regulation, spending, etc. WAKE UP

FULL Article here => http://rare.us/rare-politics/rare-l...cus-donald-trump-has-gone-full-establishment/

By attacking the House Freedom Caucus, Donald Trump has gone full establishment
After the ObamaCare repeal and replace debacle last week, The Federalist’s Robert Tracisnki made an important observation:

We were supposed to support Trump because he was the guy who was finally going to break the corrupt Republican ‘establishment.’ Now he’s the guy launching tweet-storms on behalf of the establishment and against the House Freedom Caucus—the guys who actually did break the GOP establishment.

And all because the Tea Party movement brought a few dozen hard line small-government advocates into office, and the ban on earmarks helped them guard their independence.

Tracinski is right that it was the mostly Tea Party-elected conservatives and libertarians who make up the House Freedom Caucus who held the line against the establishment, while President Trump and Paul Ryan tried to browbeat them into going along with Washington business as usual.

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Now Trump wants the House Freedom Caucus gone. If your mission is to “drain the swamp,” this makes absolutely no sense.

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So Trump wants to replace the most anti-establishment Republicans in Washington with… more establishment ones? Those more willing to go along to get along?

... the Freedom Caucus, “They were draining the swamp even before Donald Trump was getting into the birth-certificate forensics business.”

Welch also understands the general assbackwardness of a supposedly anti-establishment president going to war against the only true anti-establishmentarians in the House:

[T]he betting money is that both the Trump administration and the GOP establishment it now sits atop will seek actively to marginalize the rebels and instead find common governing cause with centrist Democrats, particularly in the United States Senate. If true, this scenario would produce one of the greatest cognitive dissonances in modern political history, while setting the administration up for even more humiliation during its honeymoon phase. Trump the above-the-fray outsider is collaborating with dealmaking career insiders to sideline one of the only principled Beltway blocs, even before showing any ability to woo Democrats over to Trump’s anti-conservative agenda. It’s all shaping up to be a godawful mess.

My hope for Trump was that he would significantly reshape U.S. domestic and foreign policy by challenging Washington consensus. Many conservatives and libertarians supported him precisely because he was anti-establishment.

My fear for Trump was that without an ideological center, whatever reformist tendencies he had would be smothered by a federal beast that swallows up most who challenge it.

“The very establishment he once railed against for being power-hungry sellouts have now sold themselves out to Donald Trump in order to retain power,” Welch writes. “And now both sides have joined up in trying to stamp out the last remaining principled deviants, who show little outward sign of giving a rip.”

Welch is right. Make no mistake: The best thing — the only good thing — to come out of the ObamaCare repeal-and-replace debate was the emergence of the House Freedom Caucus as an indomitable principled force.

“Almost everyone succumbs to the D.C. Establishment,” Rep. Amash tweeted Thursday. So far — not even three months into the new administration — Amash is right about this president.

Snowtrac Nome · Mar 30, 2017

I believe the move is to let the establishment know, they have to work with him, not him supporting their agenda. the 2 mainstream partys are so far away from each other because of financial supporters like green peace and right to lifers, that the real issues that will make this country great again, are being ignored ,and shot down because they think each side is pure evil . Call me wrong but kudos to trump for letting those career politicians know they aren't going to run amuck any more

Melensdad · Mar 30, 2017

Snowtrac Nome said:
I believe the move is to let the establishment know, they have to work with him, not him supporting their agenda. the 2 mainstream partys are so far away from each other because of financial supporters like green peace and right to lifers, that the real issues that will make this country great again, are being ignored ,and shot down because they think each side is pure evil . Call me wrong but kudos to trump for letting those career politicians know they aren't going to run amuck any more

But it was Trump who joined up with Paul Ryan and the rest of the establishment GOP.

It was Trump and Ryan who criticized the Tea Party wing, because the Tea Party members wanted to keep their campaign promises.

It is Trump who is actually using Twitter to attack the Tea Party members of Congress and it is Trump who is telling them to support the establishment plan.

Not sure how it is that Trump "let the establishment know" when Trump is the one who is supporting the establishment GOP members and Trump is fighting his own supporters.

FrancSevin · Mar 30, 2017

Melensdad said:
No I do not think he is draining the swamp. I think he is ensuring that the swamp is maintained. Going after the Tea Party members is not draining the swamp

Well, that IS what he said he would do. So far he has attempted to make good on all his promises. The only thing stopping him has been the swamp critters from both sides of the creek.

I'm a supporter of the original TEA party movement. I'm not sure the new crowd has the same mind set. For sure just repealing Obamacare is a good idea. But the replacement proposed by the milk toast mainstream RINO's was unacceptable. I'm of the opinion he gave it support but didn't close the deal on purpose. We need a better plan but to get there he has to play the politics. Get a majority consensus.

Even play to both sides. For someone who is supposed to be naïve about that process, he seems to be fairly good at it.

It has only been a little over 60 days. It took Obama 15 months with a yes-man Congress.

Catavenger · Mar 30, 2017

From Trump's tweet:

The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don't get on the team, & fast. We must fight them, & Dems, in 2018!

I will no doubt irk most of you here but I have to agree.
I know nobody likes the mainstream media but using only right wing websites isn't the answer either:

The Freedom Caucus, a group of hardline conservatives in the House, was one of the critical forces in defeating the Obamacare repeal bill that Republicans tried to bring to the House floor last week. The group of far-right Republicans spent weeks in negotiations with Trump and the White House and even got some conservative provisions added to the legislation. But in the end, most of them decided it wasn’t enough and said they’d vote against the bill.
That was a big problem for the Republicans, who could only lose about 20 votes. Plus, rewriting the bill to woo Freedom Caucus members led more Republican moderates to jump ship. In the end, about a dozen mainstream Republicans and the majority of the Freedom Caucus said they wouldn’t back the bill. Because no Democrats were expected to vote to repeal their health care law

(Fair Use Quote from USA Today).
There would be a replacement for Obamacare now if the Freedom Caucus had backed Trump. No wonder he is bent.
I saw a spokesman of the Freedom Caucus taking all the credit for Trump's election.
I didn't vote for Trump in the primary election. I still think that the Republican Party could have done better.
I voted for Trump because he is much better than Hillary. I have the feeling that many voters did the same.
I won't post who made them but look at some anti-Trump posts here last March.
Admit it, Trump wasn't always everyone's favorite.
Many of us voted for him to keep out Hillary (Like I said, I did). Not because we thought he was the best.
Again with that in mind, I sure think it's ridiculous for the Freedom Caucus to take the credit for the election.
Trump had never been in a political office before. Perhaps he isn't as skilled as he could be in playing the game of Politics.

It is a game. The Democrats are playing real hardball and won't give the Republicans an inch. And just as in life, in politics you can't always get what you want.
Who knows how this will all play out?
Wait and see.

Melensdad · Mar 30, 2017

FrancSevin said:
Well, that IS what he said he would do. So far he has attempted to make good on all his promises. The only thing stopping him has been the swamp critters from both sides of the creek.

WHAT?

The ONLY thing that stopped this was the Tea Party. If the Tea Party members (now called the Liberty or Freedom Caucus ... but made up of mostly ORIGINAL Tea Party members with newly minted Tea Party additions from subsequent elections) had not stopped the milk toast Paul Ryan proposal it would be the law of the land.

FrancSevin said:
I'm a supporter of the original TEA party movement. I'm not sure the new crowd has the same mind set.

The Freedom/Liberty Caucus is made up of all the surviving Tea Party members who were elected plus those who were elected since 2010.

FrancSevin said:
For sure just repealing Obamacare is a good idea.

But Trump didn't support that.

FrancSevin said:
But the replacement proposed by the milk toast mainstream RINO's was unacceptable. I'm of the opinion he gave it support but didn't close the deal on purpose. We need a better plan but to get there he has to play the politics. Get a majority consensus.

I believe you are delusional on your analysis. He is openly attacking the Tea Party, and still doing so, because they are the only reason this did not pass.

Catavenger said:
From Trump's tweet:I will no doubt irk most of you here but I have to agree.
I know nobody likes the mainstream media but using only right wing websites isn't the answer either: (Fair Use Quote from USA Today).
There would be a replacement for Obamacare now if the Freedom Caucus had backed Trump. No wonder he is bent.
...

I love how the Freedom Caucus is now referred to by the mainstream media as a bunch of right wingers/hardliners/ultra conservatives/etc.

The Freedom Caucus is the Tea Party.

They are US.

They are the people who make up mainstream America and complain about government not living within its means. About over-spending. About passing laws that apply to US but not to the law passers.

Catavenger · Mar 30, 2017

Melensdad said:
WHAT?

The ONLY thing that stopped this was the Tea Party. If the Tea Party members (now called the Liberty or Freedom Caucus ... but made up of mostly ORIGINAL Tea Party members with newly minted Tea Party additions from subsequent elections) had not stopped the milk toast Paul Ryan proposal it would be the law of the land.

The Freedom/Liberty Caucus is made up of all the surviving Tea Party members who were elected plus those who were elected since 2010.

But Trump didn't support that.

I believe you are delusional on your analysis. He is openly attacking the Tea Party, and still doing so, because they are the only reason this did not pass.

I love how the Freedom Caucus is now referred to by the mainstream media as a bunch of right wingers/hardliners/ultra conservatives/etc.

The Freedom Caucus is the Tea Party.

They are US.

They are the people who make up mainstream America and complain about government not living within its means. About over-spending. About passing laws that apply to US but not to the law passers.

The Tea Party didn't do so well in trying to get McCain Palin elected did they?
Since then McCain jumped ship.

Danang is right, the country needs to unite. One party cannot think the other is pure evil.

FrancSevin · Mar 31, 2017

Melensdad said:
WHAT?

The ONLY thing that stopped this was the Tea Party. If the Tea Party members (now called the Liberty or Freedom Caucus ... but made up of mostly ORIGINAL Tea Party members with newly minted Tea Party additions from subsequent elections) had not stopped the milk toast Paul Ryan proposal it would be the law of the land.

The Freedom/Liberty Caucus is made up of all the surviving Tea Party members who were elected plus those who were elected since 2010.

But Trump didn't support that.

I believe you are delusional on your analysis. He is openly attacking the Tea Party, and still doing so, because they are the only reason this did not pass.

I love how the Freedom Caucus is now referred to by the mainstream media as a bunch of right wingers/hardliners/ultra conservatives/etc.

The Freedom Caucus is the Tea Party.

They are US.

They are the people who make up mainstream America and complain about government not living within its means. About over-spending. About passing laws that apply to US but not to the law passers.

The Freedom caucus is not mainstream. They are not US. That is pure hokum. As much as I support the concept, the agenda and Rand Paul's approach to repeal and replace in particular, his group does not speak for the majority of Americans. To believe such is fantasy.

The GOP has the same power today as the Democrats did in 2009. As a conservative myself ( well proven in my posts here over the years) I fear their misuse of that privileged power just as much as I did the Pelosi/Reid cabal.

I would suggest that you should also.

Melensdad · Mar 31, 2017

Catavenger said:
The Tea Party didn't do so well in trying to get McCain Palin elected did they?
Since then McCain jumped ship.

McCain was NEVER supported by the Tea Party. NEVER :hammer:

Catavenger said:
Danang is right, the country needs to unite. One party cannot think the other is pure evil.

So the two of you want us to unite behind the Establishment wing of the GOP, which is so often referred to as the RINO's, which basically are Democrats and want big government and want high spending! That is what you suggest?

FrancSevin said:
The Freedom caucus is not mainstream. They are not US. That is pure hokum. As much as I support the concept, the agenda and Rand Paul's approach to repeal and replace in particular, his group does not speak for the majority of Americans. To believe such is fantasy.

The GOP has the same power today as the Democrats did in 2009. As a conservative myself ( well proven in my posts here over the years) I fear their misuse of that privileged power just as much as I did the Pelosi/Reid cabal.

I would suggest that you should also.

WOW you need to go back and re-read what you have written here over the past few years.

Its pretty amazing that you can move so far left in such a short amount of time.

tiredretired · Mar 31, 2017

Well lets see, 60 odd days in and all Trump has done is piss off his base. Pissed off a lot of leftie douche bags as well.

He's done a few other things as well it seems,

Nominated for SCOTUS one of the best qualified people in America for that position. IMHO, Gorsuch make half of the existing SCOTUS look like ambulance chasers he is so qualified.

Trimmed the feathers on the out of control EPA.

Approved the XL and Dakota pipelines.

Uses the term Radical Islamic Terrorism. In other words, speaking the truth when it comes to what we are facing with the Muzloid problem.

Temporarily ban undersirables from certain middle easter countries to help protect us Americans.

Stop Sanctuary cities to help protect us Americans.

Deport criminal illegals to help protect us Americans.

Pledges to never take a vacation while in office.

Does not to accept Presidential salary.

Be unpredictable when it comes to dealing with Rogue states instead of showing your hand.

Bringing back jobs or kepping them in this country.

Stock Market up dramatically since taking office increasing the personal wealth, including mine, of millions of Americans.

Wants to allow conceal carry in all 50 states.

Make America great Again.

Instead, many people want to focus on how he has pissed off a few conservatives. I'm still on board for Trump and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Those that don't like him, never will no matter what he says or does. Just the way it is.

FrancSevin · Mar 31, 2017

Melensdad said:
McCain was NEVER supported by the Tea Party. NEVER

So the two of you want us to unite behind the Establishment wing of the GOP, which is so often referred to as the RINO's, which basically are Democrats and want big government and want high spending! That is what you suggest?

WOW you need to go back and re-read what you have written here over the past few years.

Its pretty amazing that you can move so far left in such a short amount of time.

Moved left. I would suggest perhaps your standards have changed. It's one thing to be a "Never Trump'r." It is something very different to insult your friends who have moved on.

I did not like or support THE Donald until he was the GOP Nominee. Did you happen to read those postings?

Once he was the nominee I supported and defended him. Still do. And although I am not pleased he is picking a fight with his base, keep in mind, HE WAS ELECTED,, and now represents the entire population.

It would have been pleasant had both the Left and the Right allowed him to do that. A courtesy usually given the new guy for at least in the first 100 days.

tiredretired · Mar 31, 2017

FrancSevin said:
Moved left. I would suggest perhaps your standards have changed. It's one thing to be a "Never Trump'r." It is something very different to insult your friends who have moved on.

I did not like or support THE Donald until he was the GOP Nominee. Did you happen to read those postings?

Once he was the nominee I supported and defended him. Still do. And although I am not pleased he is picking a fight with his base, keep in mind, HE WAS ELECTED,, and now represents the entire population.

It would have been pleasant had both the Left and the Right allowed him to do that. A courtesy usually given the new guy for at least in the first 100 days.

There is no more courtesy in this country. That is a thing of the past. People today are all in for themselves and anything and anyone else can be damed.

The left is perfectly willing to see this country come apart at the seams before they will accept anything about Trump. The NeverTrumpers are not as bad, yet still carry on with their pity parties and gloom and doom about the state of affairs of their party. Like it was anything great to begin with.

Try this one on for size boys and girls. Trump's base in NOT the conservatives. Trumps real base is the blue collar working man and woman who gets up every morning and busts his/her ass and gets their hands dirty. Those are the workers the Democrat Party all but abandoned and Obama wanted to eliminate.

Whaaaaaaa, Trump is pissing off Conservatives. Whaaa Trump is pissing off the Tea Party. So flippin' what. When he starts pissing off real Americans who work every day and get their hands dirty, then he will have a problem. Until then, I support the President 100%.

Freedom Caucus, Black Caucus and the rest of those goofy ass caucuses are nothing but a bunch of Capital Hill what's in it for me bullshit artists who are more a part of the problem in this country then the solution. The solution lies in common sense thinking and honest hard working attitudes, both of which are totally nonexistent in Washington.

FrancSevin · Mar 31, 2017

TiredRetired said:
There is no more courtesy in this country. That is a thing of the past. People today are all in for themselves and anything and anyone else can be damed.

The left is perfectly willing to see this country come apart at the seams before they will accept anything about Trump. The NeverTrumpers are not as bad, yet still carry on with their pity parties and gloom and doom about the state of affairs of their party. Like it was anything great to begin with.

Try this one on for size boys and girls. Trump's base in NOT the conservatives. Trumps real base is the blue collar working man and woman who gets up every morning and busts his/her ass and gets their hands dirty. Those are the workers the Democrat Party all but abandoned and Obama wanted to eliminate.

Whaaaaaaa, Trump is pissing off Conservatives. Whaaa Trump is pissing off the Tea Party. So flippin' what. When he starts pissing off real Americans who work every day and get their hands dirty, then he will have a problem. Until then, I support the President 100%.

Freedom Caucus, Black Caucus and the rest of those goofy ass caucuses are nothing but a bunch of Capital Hill what's in it for me bullshit artists who are more a part of the problem in this country then the solution. The solution lies in common sense thinking and honest hard working attitudes, both of which are totally nonexistent in Washington.

Five thumbs up on this post! :biggrin:

waybomb · Mar 31, 2017

Drain the swamp.

tiredretired · Mar 31, 2017

FrancSevin said:
Five thumbs up on this post!

Thank you Franc.

waybomb said:
Drain the swamp.

Hereby lies the problem, Fred. There are just as many on the right, it seems, that do not want that swamp drained as there are on the left. Maybe more for all I know.

We've seen before what happens to Presidents and Presidential candidates who go totally against the grain and set their own agenda.

I'm not conspiracy theorist. I'll let history speak for itself.

Av8r3400 · Mar 31, 2017

Thank you, Bob!!!

What an incredible string of posts. I had all but given up that anyone else on this forum could see the truth of what's happening.

Trump is not what the people (who used to consider themselves conservatives) think he is. Time will tell, the swamp will get deeper and the Washington elites stronger.

Melensdad · Mar 31, 2017

Av8r3400 said:
Thank you, Bob!!!

What an incredible string of posts. I had all but given up that anyone else on this forum could see the truth of what's happening.

Trump is not what the people (who used to consider themselves conservatives) think he is. Time will tell, the swamp will get deeper and the Washington elites stronger.

My thought too.

People want to drain the swamp but the swamp is made up of RINOS and Democrats. Its the Tea Party people who are not in the establishment of either party, they have been kept out of leadership positions, had the proposals stonewalled, basically kept in the background ... but their numbers have grown anyway, now there are 30+ members, just enough to make a difference.

These are the same members who stood behind Trump when the GOP Rinos were attacking Trump ... these are the same members that Trump just threw under the bus.

NorthernRedneck · Apr 1, 2017

Here are my thoughts. Trump is only one man. One man in a sea of politicians. The problem with the whole concept of a "United States" is that you are all so damned divided. It's been like that throughout history. Look at your civil war. North vs south. East coast vs west coast. Democrat vs Republican. You are all so damned divided you have no right to continue to call yourselves the "United" states. I'll just sit back with my bag of popcorn and watch a country who claims to be so great implode on itself because no one can stand together. The whole damned system is broken. And Trump, though started out with good intentions, is now realizing that he can't do it alone.

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