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I may have to look into one. As for the lessons, amazing Grace is one I teach to my guitar students when they are first learning. Who doesn't know it? Right? Easy song with only two chords.
They come in the FLUKE and the FLEA models.

Fluke is what I got from Ebay. FLEA is a semi-round body. Both can be had for roughly $180 with basic wood, which is available in several finishes. They also make a 4 string Banjolele.

You can go pretty crazy with options, stock wood designs - or custom wood designs, Solid Koa or Solid Spruce soundboards, walnut fret board, upgraded geared tuners (probably a good option), etc. Just as easy to spend $400+ on one of these as it is to spend $200. Not sure I'd want to drop a bundle on a plastic body Uke, but to sit around the bonfire or the pool I'll be happy with what I'm getting.

The basic models, with plywood soundboards and plastic fretboards can be left out without worrying about humidification, etc.
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A uke is still on my radar a few months down the road. For now, i just bought another guitar. Damn ebay. Lmao.
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No Uke practice today. I did some work and aggravated my arthritis in my left wrist. Lots of pain if I move my arm. Not so much if my arm doesn't move. Its all arthritis.

Sort of frustrating. I was hoping to practice Amazing Grace again today. Worked on it a bit yesterday and was unhappy with my progress. Did only "ok" when doing all down strokes. But then progressed to down/down/down/up pattern to add a bit of a jazz sound and I pretty much screwed up the chord changes almost every time. Tried again, same result. Wanted to revisit the same lesson again today but my wrist is too sore to try. Hoping for tomorrow.
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Got through Amazing Grace 3 times, all down strokes, without missing a chord change. My first attempt was my best, slow but basically flawless. The next 2 attempts I had 1 or 2 minor stumbles during the chord changes but managed to pull it off.

Switched to Amazing Grace with a bit of a jazz touch by adding an upstroke after each of the 3rd downstrokes. Made several attempts at it. Totally blew it a couple times and had to stop & restart. Eventually I did OK, not great, certainly not perfect. The upstroke sometimes was accomplished in time, sometimes during the chord change. But MUCH MUCH better than prior attempts.
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Keep at er. The strumming will come eventually in time. I find it more important to concentrate on the chord changes when learning.
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Been practicing with the new "Fluke" ukulele and I'm unsure about it.

#1 - the tone is so very different from my expensive mango Uke that its somewhat off-putting. Clearly many very good Uke players swear by these things and its also clear that I am not the 'tone' expert of Uke players, so I should learn to love it?

#2 - and this is perhaps the only "real" criticism that I can levy against it, the friction tuners don't hold very well. I'm constantly retuning, retuning and retuning again to keep it in tune. There are some screws on the ends that can be used to tighten the tuners and I need to keep fiddling around to find the right combination of tightness and movability. But I think I'd really prefer the upgraded 'geared' tuners. I suppose I can buy those and install them. I'd prefer not to spend $69 for a set of upgraded tuners that drop fit directly into the existing holes.

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On a side note, I did add a strap to this one, and I added some Fluke "Grip Strips" to the backside ... which were recommended by many owners. As the back of this is curved plastic it doesn't sit against your body well, the "Grip Strips" are simply rubber strips that stick onto the back and allow for a non-slip back. Much easier to play with them than without them. And the strap helps me due to the arthritis in my left wrist, but as light as this is I doubt that the vast majority of the FLUKE owners would need a strap.
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Progress, in baby steps, slow but sure.

Still following my video lessons on DVD. The basic system is lesson, next lesson, go back to prior lessons and redo several of those, catch back up and move ahead, then go back and repeat. Seems to be working for me as the older lessons are easier and easier.

BUT there are some problems I'm having. There are 2 guys on the video, when the one guy plays the harmonica it can drown out the Uke player and that tends to screw me up. Naturally he tends to play louder when we have a more complex portion of a song, so I end up doing worse, or not getting that section. Still can't figure out what the heck a "swinging 8th" strum is supposed to be?!?
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I have been following the "Ukulele Buddy" lessons on DVD.

Honestly I've started to get a little bored with the lessons, and also a little frustrated with some of them. But I worked through every lesson so far. Repeating each of them, many of those were repeated 6, 8 or even 10 times.

Got to the mid-point in the lesson plan (roughly lesson 35?). Need to change to DVD #3.

But decided not to do that. The last video on DVD #2 said that DVD #3 would progress into different techniques, strumming styles, etc.

Figured this was a good stopping point. I purchased a Hal Leonard lesson book featuring Ukulele virtuoso Jake Shimabukuro and wanted to play with that one for a while. The book includes a key code to watch videos that go with the book. Given the poor internet that we get at the house I opted to go to the cigar lounge where I downloaded all the videos so I'd have reliable playback.

Started with LESSON #1. His teaching style is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than the teaching on Ukulele Buddy. So even though I have gone backwards, I'm finding that its helping and it is challenging in a very different way. Jake is starting with FINGER PICKING, or more correctly THUMB plucking. Very simple songs. Staying only on 1 string but moving up and down the Fret Board to change the notes. I'm half way through the Ukulele Buddy lessons and have played maybe 3 songs? But with Jake I'm skipping around and playing several songs (badly, but still). So I've now plucked Hot Cross Buns, Twinkle Twinkle, Happy Birthday and even moved up to the Star Spangled Banner, which requires all the strings and lots of fret changes.

Ukulele Buddy = Chords
Jake Shimabukuro = single notes

Honestly can't say that one is better than the other, but totally different styles

I think I will work through several more lessons J.S. lessons before I switch back to finish off the Ukulele Buddy course. I may just finish off the J.S. lessons before switching back? I'll see how far it goes before it diverts too far from the basics (since I barely know the basics).

Ukulele Buddy = roughly 70 lessons
Jake Shimabukuro = 13 lessons

Not sure if there is a Book #2 with more lessons by Jake? But I can't imagine that his 13 lessons can match the 70ish lessons from Ukulele Buddy. In any case I am finding the Jake lessons (1 & 2) to be an interesting switch that has peaked my interests again. So that is a good thing
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Upon further progression with the Jake video I believe he goes WAY TOO FAST with WAY TOO LITTLE explanation.

Honestly I've very glad that I started with the Ukulele Buddy system. Their system starts out very slowly and keeps harping on the need to repeat lessons. It builds a nice foundation.

That said, I'm having fun with the Jake system. Got to the end of Video #2/Lesson #2. I did better following the book WITHOUT the video. Not that I dislike the video, its good, but it moves very quickly from one song to the next. He plays through the song and then goes immediately to the next. He doesn't speak out the fret numbers while he plays, which would make the process much easier. I'm trying to watch, listen while reading the book + play. Doesn't work well. Watching, stopping the video and then playing alone seems to work better?

With the Ukulele Buddy the instructor will call out the chord change, or the 2nd instructor will point to the chords, as they change, so you can follow.

On a side note, the Jake system seems to help teach the fretboard by FEEL because you move your hand up/down the fretboard and can feel them as you move.


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ALSO, just to make life easier for the slow learner (me), I bought a pack of mother of pearl "dots" off of eBay for $6. The FLUKE had far fewer fret dots than the Lanikai Ukulele. And since I switch between them I figured it would be easier for me if both were the same.

Pulled out a 6mm drill bit to match the size of the "dots" and drilled some holes into the plastic fretboard of the FLUKE, added a drop of glue and now there are fret dots on the 5, 7, 10 and 2 on the 12 on both of my instruments. The Lanikai also has a dot at the 15th, I did not drill the Fluke for a dot on the 15th as it is so far down it would be hard to play on the Fluke and none of my lessons have taken me down that far (yet). Perhaps I will, eventually?

I also took a very small, not sure the size, drill bit, and drilled into the EDGE of the FLUKE's fretboard and put small indentations at those same frets. Took a toothpick, dipped it into white paint, put a spot of paint into each of the indentations. Now the edge of both of the Ukes has markers that match too. Makes it much easier for me to find the right fret. I'm sure that an experienced player doesn't need those, but we are talking about the slow learner (me)
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I came across a 6 string ukulele for sale here. I may go pick it up as it plays exactly like a guitar so I won't have to relearn an instrument. While doing a little research on it I came across this sweet video. This kid is a musical genius. I've seen him as a 6 year old playing guitar better than most professionals.

https://youtu.be/CmADB1N6XL8
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Because of my wrist brace/injury I've been unable to practice for several weeks. Not happy about that.
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I'm thankful that I still have full use of my arms and hands relatively pain free. I must say that my playing ability has greatly improved over the past two years since most days I play for 1-2 hours a day while watching tv.
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Just sent in the approval to the boss to get permission to buy the uke. Lol
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Just sent in the approval to the boss to get permission to buy the uke. Lol
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I came across a 6 string ukulele for sale here. I may go pick it up as it plays exactly like a guitar so I won't have to relearn an instrument. While doing a little research on it I came across this sweet video. This kid is a musical genius. I've seen him as a 6 year old playing guitar better than most professionals.

https://youtu.be/CmADB1N6XL8
OK I'm unclear what this instrument is but I can't see how this is an ukulele. Clearly I am NOT an expert. But every 5 string Uke I find has a double string for the G. Every 6 string Uke that I can find has double strings for the G and C strings. And every 8 string Uke I've found has double G,C,E and A strings.

I can find no Uke that has 5, 6 or 8 individual strings. Except for this one that you pictured. So are you sure its not a mini-guitar? I think that is a Guitalele? Which is the love child resulting from the mating of a guitar & ukulele. Size of a Baritone (or Tenor) Uke but with the strings of a guitar. So I have to ask, are you sure this is a Uke and not a compact/small guitar ... Guitalele?

Now I do know that a lot of guitar players pick up the Baritone Uke because the 4 strings of the Baritone Uke mimic 4 of the 6 Guitar strings (but I don't know which 4).

And I'm clearly far less versed on musical instruments than many folks here so please take my question as one that is coming from inexperience and sincere bewilderment.
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Not entirely sure. Lol. It is advertised as a guitalele. It's a peavey composer 6 string guitalele. Sound and size of a uke but plays like a guitar. I got the approval from the boss. Going to pick it up either tonight or tomorrow.
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Got it! Sweet little instrument. I'll have fun plucking it. It's about the same size as my merlin. It's basically a ukulele that mated with a classical guitar. The top 3 strings are nylon while the bottom three are steel.
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Just like the others here, I wish to learn how to play an instrument like guitars and a Ukelele. But, you have to read about these guidelines and lessons for beginners below:

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One of the things I've found with learning to play this instrument is that there are TONS of resources on the internet.

Unfortunately for me, I've now been sidelined by a wrist injury (for about the last 5 or 6 weeks) because I was stupid and helped lift a baby grand piano

But there are a lot of FREE lessons on YouTube. There are plenty of books available at music stores or from on-line sellers. I purchased the UkuleleBuddy.com program and was very much enjoying it. Some things frustrated me a bit. Some things were glossed over early and then explained a bit later. But overall I'd say its a good way to self-learn.
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