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Healthcare costs rise as doctors implement Obama's electronic billing system

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The story basically says that because of Obama's mandate to put all medical records and billing on the computer, even at the local doctor's office, the costs for medial care are now rising. Not because the computers cost money. But becuase it is so much easier for the doctors and their staffs to bill you for every little thing they do. So what they once provided as a free service, they now can simply check a box on their computer screen and charge you for.

This simple little thing, that Obama thought would SAVE MONEY is now biting him, and all of us taxpayers in the ass, as the costs of Medicare have been skyrocketing due to ease of billing :hammer:

This may be just the first of a series of very visible, and very EXPENSIVE, unforeseen consequences of ObamaCare.

LINKY DINKY DO => http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/b...t-hospitals-with-electronic-records.html?_r=0

Medicare Bills Rise as Records Turn Electronic
By REED ABELSON, JULIE CRESWELL and GRIFFIN J. PALMER
Published: September 21, 2012 214 Comments

When the federal government began providing billions of dollars in incentives to push hospitals and physicians to use electronic medical and billing records, the goal was not only to improve efficiency and patient safety, but also to reduce health care costs.

Robert Burleigh was overbilled for an emergency-room visit because the hospital's electronic records included examinations he had not been given.

But, in reality, the move to electronic health records may be contributing to billions of dollars in higher costs for Medicare, private insurers and patients by making it easier for hospitals and physicians to bill more for their services, whether or not they provide additional care.

Hospitals received $1 billion more in Medicare reimbursements in 2010 than they did five years earlier, at least in part by changing the billing codes they assign to patients in emergency rooms, according to a New York Times analysis of Medicare data from the*American Hospital Directory. Regulators say physicians have changed the way they bill for office visits similarly, increasing their payments by billions of dollars as well.

The most aggressive billing — by just 1,700 of the more than 440,000 doctors in the country — cost Medicare as much as $100 million in 2010 alone, federal regulators said in a recent report, noting that the largest share of those doctors specialized in family practice, internal medicine and emergency care.

For instance, the portion of patients that the emergency department at Faxton St. Luke’s Healthcare in Utica, N.Y., claimed required the highest levels of treatment — and thus higher reimbursements — rose 43 percent in 2009. That was the same year the hospital began using electronic health records.

The share of highest-paying claims at Baptist Hospital in Nashville climbed 82 percent in 2010, the year after it began using a software system for its emergency room records.

In e-mailed statements, representatives for both hospitals said the increases reflected more accurate billing for services. Faxton also said its patients required more care than in past years.

Over all, hospitals that received government incentives to adopt electronic records showed a 47 percent rise in Medicare payments at higher levels from 2006 to 2010, the latest year for which data are available, compared with a 32 percent rise in hospitals that have not received any government incentives, according to the analysis by The Times.

The higher coding has captured the attention of federal and state regulators and private insurers like Aetna and Cigna. This spring, the Office of Inspector General for the federal Health and Human Services Department warned that the coding of evaluation services had been “vulnerable to fraud and abuse.”

Some experts blame a substantial share of the higher payments on the increasingly widespread use of electronic health record systems. Some of these programs can automatically generate detailed patient histories, or allow doctors to cut and paste the same examination findings for multiple patients — a practice called cloning — with the click of a button or the swipe of a finger on an iPad, making it appear that the physicians conducted more thorough exams than, perhaps, they did.

Critics say the abuses are widespread. “It’s like doping and bicycling,” said Dr. Donald W. Simborg, who was the chairman of federal panels examining the potential for fraud with electronic systems. “Everybody knows it’s going on.”

When Methodist Medical Center of Illinois in Peoria rolled out an electronic records system in 2006, Dr. Alan Gravett, a former emergency room physician, quickly expressed alarm.

He said the new system prompted doctors to click a box that indicated a thorough review of patients’ symptoms had taken place, even though the exams were rarely performed, while another function let doctors pull exam findings “from thin air” and include them in patients’ records.

In a whistle-blower lawsuit filed in 2007, Dr. Gravett contended that these techniques drove up Medicare reimbursement levels substantially. According to the lawsuit, Dr. Gravett was eventually fired for ordering too many tests. He says he was retaliated against for complaining about the new system. The Justice Department is weighing whether to join an amended suit in Federal District Court in Central Illinois.

. . . (story continues at the link above)
 

Kane

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This may be just the first of a series of very visible, and very EXPENSIVE, unforeseen consequences of ObamaCare.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To"]Pelosi: we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it - YouTube[/ame]

We won't know exactly how much ObamaCare costs for decades. But one thing is for sure, it will cost trillions $$$ more than the foul bill that was forced down America's throat by the Democrat's legislative chicanery.

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mak2

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Refusal to use EMR's is indeed malpractice because care is improved dramatically and records are more efficiently kept. It doesn't make any difference if Obama care demands it or law suits lost by healthcare providers force it, EMR's are here to stay. And with good reason.

several years ago hospitals started switching from paper medicine administration records to some form of BCMA. One of the big reasons small short sighted hospitals were and are still resistant is the number of med errors skyrocket at first. Not because there are more med errors, it is just with BCMA they can be detected. Med errors are reduced to nearly nonexistent and are mainly when someone does not use the system properly. This article uses the same logic to say EMR increases expenses.

Besides, there are no freebees in our healthcare system, that is a laughable concept to start with.
 

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What is the point of this? Hopefully Obamacare is the first step toward UHC. We do know we have the most expensive and nearly least efficient healthcare system in the world.
Pelosi: we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it - YouTube

We won't know exactly how much ObamaCare costs for decades. But one thing is for sure, it will cost trillions $$$ more than the foul bill that was forced down America's throat by the Democrat's legislative chicanery.

,
 

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Refusal to use EMR's is indeed malpractice because care is improved dramatically and records are more efficiently kept.

Nobody disputed that. Nobody even said it was bad. Nor implied such. For that matter nobody even suggested that electronic medical recording is a bad thing.

But services that were previously unbilled (given away) are now billed. Costs have risen because of that fact alone.

Further, if you bother to actually read the article, it suggests that now there are billed services that are never provided, that there are also 'exam findings' inserted into patients records for exams never performed. So now we have electronic billing of fruad that is incredibly difficult to detect.

And our health care costs keep rising under ObamaCare :hammer:




What is the point of this? Hopefully Obamacare is the first step toward UHC. We do know we have the most expensive and nearly least efficient healthcare system in the world.
And according to the CBO, ObamaCare will continue to make things MORE UNAFFORDABLE so that when we do get to your favored UNIVERAL HEALTH SCAM/CARE then that will be the least affordable system on the planet.
 

Kane

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Yak all you want, mak2, but the fact remains that Obamacare will cost trillions more than promised. The bill was a pack of accounting lies forced down America's throat by back-room "reconciliation" legislation.
 

mak2

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Do you really beleive there were any freebees under the current system? Really?
Nobody disputed that. Nobody even said it was bad. Nor implied such. For that matter nobody even suggested that electronic medical recording is a bad thing.

But services that were previously unbilled (given away) are now billed. Costs have risen because of that fact alone.

Further, if you bother to actually read the article, it suggests that now there are billed services that are never provided, that there are also 'exam findings' inserted into patients records for exams never performed. So now we have electronic billing of fruad that is incredibly difficult to detect.

And our health care costs keep rising under ObamaCare :hammer:

Yak all you want, mak2, but the fact remains that Obamacare will cost trillions more than promised. The bill was a pack of accounting lies forced down America's throat by back-room "reconciliation" legislation.

Lies forced down your throat? If the Republicans had any real arguments with UHC they would quit saying all the little talking points and dispute the science. THey dont because they cant. We as a nation just insist on allowing the healthcare industry to write out healthcare laws. Great idea.
 

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Freebies? Defiine that for me. If by freebie you mean that a doctor didn't bill me for something. YES. Its happened many times under the PREVIOUS SYSTEM. Now with the laptops in the hands of every doctor and nurse its obvious that every breath you take is billed while you are in the office.

And that is what the article seems to document.

Along with a new system of electronic fraud that is not easily disputed.

So now we have HIGHER COSTS . . . and you can't seem to understand why?
 

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Refusal to use EMR's is indeed malpractice because care is improved dramatically and records are more efficiently kept. It doesn't make any difference if Obama care demands it or law suits lost by healthcare providers force it, EMR's are here to stay. And with good reason.

several years ago hospitals started switching from paper medicine administration records to some form of BCMA. One of the big reasons small short sighted hospitals were and are still resistant is the number of med errors skyrocket at first. Not because there are more med errors, it is just with BCMA they can be detected. Med errors are reduced to nearly nonexistent and are mainly when someone does not use the system properly. This article uses the same logic to say EMR increases expenses.

Besides, there are no freebees in our healthcare system, that is a laughable concept to start with.

What's a BCMA?
 

mak2

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Bar Code Medicine adminstration. It is truly a great system. If used appropriately only the Doctor can make a med error and even then it would still be checked by pharmacy and nursing before administration. It has reduced med errors to nearly ziltch, when used correctly.
What's a BCMA?
 

mak2

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Somebody pays for it, the healthcare provider just passes on the charges. Picuture shoplifting at WalMart.
Freebies? Defiine that for me. If by freebie you mean that a doctor didn't bill me for something. YES. Its happened many times under the PREVIOUS SYSTEM. Now with the laptops in the hands of every doctor and nurse its obvious that every breath you take is billed while you are in the office.

And that is what the article seems to document.

Along with a new system of electronic fraud that is not easily disputed.

So now we have HIGHER COSTS . . . and you can't seem to understand why?
 

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Somebody pays for it, the healthcare provider just passes on the charges. Picuture shoplifting at WalMart.

Actually not only is your analogy wrong, but you are also wrong.

If the you are not charged for a service then the service is provided for free. For example, if a Doctor charges $75 for a child's high school physical and that includes a "10 point" inspection of your child for cursary ailments and then the new electronic billing comes into play and there are "8 points" of inspection in a physical and your doctor still does the "10 point" inspection he now ticks off 2 extra boxes, which raise the price from $75 to $100.

So now you (or insurance, or medicare) is paying an extra $25 that was previously included in the price but now is not.
 

mak2

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Great, now we will get what we pay for, and nothing more. I did not know you liked free health care. Come on Bob, the doctor and/or his practice program what people pay for. If he wants you to get it for "free" you will. But trust me on this one, there is nothing in healthcare "free."
Actually not only is your analogy wrong, but you are also wrong.

If the you are not charged for a service then the service is provided for free. For example, if a Doctor charges $75 for a child's high school physical and that includes a "10 point" inspection of your child for cursary ailments and then the new electronic billing comes into play and there are "8 points" of inspection in a physical and your doctor still does the "10 point" inspection he now ticks off 2 extra boxes, which raise the price from $75 to $100.

So now you (or insurance, or medicare) is paying an extra $25 that was previously included in the price but now is not.
 

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Great, now we will get what we pay for, and nothing more. I did not know you liked free health care. Come on Bob, the doctor and/or his practice program what people pay for. If he wants you to get it for "free" you will. But trust me on this one, there is nothing in healthcare "free."

No, now you are just trying to twist words and you know it.

The fact is that now Obama's centralized government plan has decided how to charge for things and is taking away the perogotive of the doctor. Where before the doctor chose how to charge you and provided services to you that were not based on some sort of 'price list menu' that service is now replaced with a form that forces the doctors and nurses to check off individualized services.

In fact it is just the starting point for government price fixing of these services :hammer:
 

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The converting of the patient medical record to an electronic record has been in process since 2005 and it was a Bush mandate that all records must be electronic by the year 2015.
"Within 10 years, every American must have a personal electronic medical record. That’s a good goal for the country to achieve. The federal government has to take the lead in order to make this happen by developing what’s called ‘Technical Standards.'"~GW Bush

The abuses occur with or without an electronic system. As a director of an ICU, I reported several doctors for fabricating their notes. I observed them "see" the patient from the doorway and then write in their notes that the patient's lungs were clear etc. etc. Must have had some magic stethoscopes and telepathic abilites to perform a full assessment to include heart and lung sounds, abdomen soft and flat....all from the doorway! They then billed the patient for a 30 minute inpatient exam. The electronic system doesn't make this an inevitability. It just makes it easier for those docs who bilk the system to do so.... just like the anecdote on page 2 of the article where the man was in the ED and charged for a full system exam and the doc had never lifted the covers.

In reading the article, I'm also wondering how much of the increase in hospital medicare reimbursements over the last 5 years has to do with the increase in the number of enrollees to the medicare program. An article from CNS news in June of this years states "11,000 new seniors become eligible for Medicare every day". http://cnsnews.com/news/article/senior-boom-11000-new-seniors-become-eligible-medicare-every-day Some of those seniors have not had any preventive care in years and they take full advantage of their new coverage which often times leads them to hospitals for diagnostic preventive testing such as colonoscopies, endoscopies, mammograms, cardiac stress tests, etc.
 

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No, each doctor, each hospital and each group set up how they charge, with or without EMR's. They dont have to charge for a service if they dont wnat to. Picture the paper records on computer. I dont care Bob, but hating on Obama for EMR is really silly, but carry on. Again, just stirring up the base. I use EMR's every day, thanks for the inservice on how they work.
No, now you are just trying to twist words and you know it.

The fact is that now Obama's centralized government plan has decided how to charge for things and is taking away the perogotive of the doctor. Where before the doctor chose how to charge you and provided services to you that were not based on some sort of 'price list menu' that service is now replaced with a form that forces the doctors and nurses to check off individualized services.

In fact it is just the starting point for government price fixing of these services :hammer:
 

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I'm happy to set you straight.

Again, from the article:
But, in reality, the move to electronic health records may be contributing to billions of dollars in higher costs for Medicare, private insurers and patients by making it easier for hospitals and physicians to bill more for their services, whether or not they provide additional care.
 

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That would be fraud. I am not sure how is would be eaiser to do it with the medical record over paper. :smile:

Again, from the article. Apparently you are the only one who doesn't understand. Its clearly says "Everyone knows . . ."
Some experts blame a substantial share of the higher payments on the increasingly widespread use of electronic health record systems. Some of these programs can automatically generate detailed patient histories, or allow doctors to cut and paste the same examination findings for multiple patients — a practice called cloning — with the click of a button or the swipe of a finger on an iPad, making it appear that the physicians conducted more thorough exams than, perhaps, they did.

Critics say the abuses are widespread. “It’s like doping and bicycling,” said Dr. Donald W. Simborg, who was the chairman of federal panels examining the potential for fraud with electronic systems. “Everybody knows it’s going on.”
 

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OK, whatever you say, I am sure it is eaiser to commit fraud on EMR than paper.

Got to love how you do that. You assign the comments to me. That is a trick to used to discredit comments.

Facts are facts, the guy who said it is the chairman of the federal panel examining this problem. Uh, that's right. Someone who actually might know more about this stuff that you. Someone who might know what he is talking about, especially after exhaustive examinations.
 

mak2

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When you see words like "some" may" "critics say", well lets just say that is less than convienceing.

Most of the forms on EMR are exactly like the ones in paper, you can check the same box either way. This article is to stir up people who dont know what charting is, how it is done before and after EMR...this is tiresome, this article is just to stir up the other the conservatives like so many other whimiscal stories you post.
 

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At this point you are grasping for straws. I'll leave you to discredit yourself, you are doing a fine job of it so far.
 

Kane

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Lies forced down your throat? If the Republicans had any real arguments with UHC they would quit saying all the little talking points and dispute the science. THey dont because they cant. We as a nation just insist on allowing the healthcare industry to write out healthcare laws. Great idea.
Yes, mak2, lies. The information given to the CBO in 2009 to cost out the model of ObamaCare was structured - forced - to be revenue/cost neutral in order to for the bill to pass.

The information that the CBO had to work with was one accounting lie after another, but assured to force the costs to neutral. Laughable, but the CBO had a duty to estimate the costs with the data provided by the Democrats, knowing full well that information was conveniently omitted, double counted or intentionally misleading. Accounting smoke and mirrors, but the CBO fulfilled its charge. They did the math with phony input and the bill was passed - by the chicanery of legislative 'reconciliation'.

It was only until the Republicans (led by Paul Ryan) challenged the cost data and phony estimates at the so-called healthcare beer summit that the truth began to emerge. But a conversation about the "true" cost of ObamaCare was cut short by your arrogant president with the famous line "elections have consequences; and I won." So sit down and shut up.

Well, your narcissistic president may have won, but the American people lost. The true cost of Obamacare will not be known for many years, as one regulation after another is flushed out and assigned a real price tag. ObamaCare will prove to be the greatest boondoggle ever passed by Congress, shoved down America's throat by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid with legislative lies and accounting deception.

Prove it otherwise.

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Kane

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Hope 'n' Change: ObamaCare Comes at Staggering Cost

We've argued over the monetary cost of ObamaCare, but there's another aspect to the toll the law will take on America's productive citizens, and that, simply put, is time. We all know time is money, so how much would 79 million man-hours per year cost the economy? That's the IRS's own estimate based on how much time they presume it will take for compliance with all the paperwork currently required by ObamaCare regulations.

About half of that time will be devoted to filling out a single IRS form, Credit for Small Employer Health Insurance Premiums. By comparison, the Empire State Building only took seven million man-hours to build with the rudimentary technology of the early 1930s. Furthermore, current federal regulations, including those under ObamaCare, will cost Americans $1.8 trillion annually -- more than 20 times the administration's estimates.


from The Patriot Post
 

mak2

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Yes Bob, once again you have taken some right wing article not founded in any sort of fact, completely intellectually dominated any LIB that had the nerve to discuss it with you, even though you obviously have no idea what you are talking about, then declare yourself the winner with an insult are two. Never change do you? Everyone will have an EMR someday, the sooner the better. It is not Obama fault, just another scary thing the ultra conservatives can tell a scary campfire story and scare each other. Stay focused on stories like this, the real world is even scarier.
At this point you are grasping for straws. I'll leave you to discredit yourself, you are doing a fine job of it so far.
 

mak2

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This article and thread was about EMR's increasing healthcare costs because the doctors cant give out freebies to Bob any more:yum: Lets try to stick to that.
Yes, mak2, lies. The information given to the CBO in 2009 to cost out the model of ObamaCare was structured - forced - to be revenue/cost neutral in order to for the bill to pass.

The information that the CBO had to work with was one accounting lie after another, but assured to force the costs to neutral. Laughable, but the CBO had a duty to estimate the costs with the data provided by the Democrats, knowing full well that information was conveniently omitted, double counted or intentionally misleading. Accounting smoke and mirrors, but the CBO fulfilled its charge. They did the math with phony input and the bill was passed - by the chicanery of legislative 'reconciliation'.

It was only until the Republicans (led by Paul Ryan) challenged the cost data and phony estimates at the so-called healthcare beer summit that the truth began to emerge. But a conversation about the "true" cost of ObamaCare was cut short by your arrogant president with the famous line "elections have consequences; and I won." So sit down and shut up.

Well, your narcissistic president may have won, but the American people lost. The true cost of Obamacare will not be known for many years, as one regulation after another is flushed out and assigned a real price tag. ObamaCare will prove to be the greatest boondoggle ever passed by Congress, shoved down America's throat by Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid with legislative lies and accounting deception.

Prove it otherwise.

.

Hope 'n' Change: ObamaCare Comes at Staggering Cost

We've argued over the monetary cost of ObamaCare, but there's another aspect to the toll the law will take on America's productive citizens, and that, simply put, is time. We all know time is money, so how much would 79 million man-hours per year cost the economy? That's the IRS's own estimate based on how much time they presume it will take for compliance with all the paperwork currently required by ObamaCare regulations.

About half of that time will be devoted to filling out a single IRS form, Credit for Small Employer Health Insurance Premiums. By comparison, the Empire State Building only took seven million man-hours to build with the rudimentary technology of the early 1930s. Furthermore, current federal regulations, including those under ObamaCare, will cost Americans $1.8 trillion annually -- more than 20 times the administration's estimates.


from The Patriot Post
 

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Yes Bob, once again you have taken some right wing article not founded in any sort of fact. . .
WTF? The guy blowing the whistle on this problem is INSIDE the administration and is the chairman of the committee that was investigating the surging costs.

I guess the chairman of the committee is devoid of having fact? :yum:



This article and thread was about EMR's increasing healthcare costs because the doctors cant give out freebies to Bob any more:yum: Lets try to stick to that.
Again, you clearly twist and mutilate the facts. How about you return to the facts as presented in the article, including fraudulent billing, billing for services that had previously been bundled, etc.


What is funny is how, when liberals are confronted with facts, they resort to belittling the messengers. It shows just how small they are.
 

mak2

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If he is the one that says it, yes. EMRs are merely a more accurate and efficeint form of patient records. It does nothing to change "what" the doctors or hospitals bill. More accurate billing is not (or should not) be a problem.

I think I already pointed out a few of the flaws in the article and so did GG. Every aspect of your lead in statement was wrong. EMR's are coming with our without Obama, they have been for years. There are not now nor have there ever been freebies in any American healthcare, that is why we have the most expensive system in the world. They alaways could simply check a box, used to be on paper, now they have to click on it, I am not sure which is easier. It does not raise costs it decreases them through more effieient care and eaiser record storage, and EMR's more accuately keeps track of costs. back to the BCMA analogy I started with, it just makes it eaiser to detect you have an expense for something. Which facts was it I twisted and mutilated?

(Melensdad) The story basically says that because of Obama's mandate to put all medical records and billing on the computer, even at the local doctor's office, the costs for medial care are now rising. Not because the computers cost money. But becuase it is so much easier for the doctors and their staffs to bill you for every little thing they do. So what they once provided as a free service, they now can simply check a box on their computer screen and charge you for.This simple little thing, that Obama thought would SAVE MONEY is now biting him, and all of us taxpayers in the ass, as the costs of Medicare have been skyrocketing due to ease of billing

This may be just the first of a series of very visible, and very EXPENSIVE, unforeseen consequences of ObamaCare.(Melensdad)




WTF? The guy blowing the whistle on this problem is INSIDE the administration and is the chairman of the committee that was investigating the surging costs.

I guess the chairman of the committee is devoid of having fact? :yum:



Again, you clearly twist and mutilate the facts. How about you return to the facts as presented in the article, including fraudulent billing, billing for services that had previously been bundled, etc.


What is funny is how, when liberals are confronted with facts, they resort to belittling the messengers. It shows just how small they are.

Yea, thank goodness you never do that.
 

mak2

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I just read through your posts again to make sure I wasnt missing something. You really are arguing medical costs were lower due to doctors giving stuff away. I thought it was them people that wanted some of that there free healthcare. :yum: And that mean old Obama is making the docotors and nurses charge more cause the gubberment is taking over.

Actually not only is your analogy wrong, but you are also wrong.

If the you are not charged for a service then the service is provided for free. For example, if a Doctor charges $75 for a child's high school physical and that includes a "10 point" inspection of your child for cursary ailments and then the new electronic billing comes into play and there are "8 points" of inspection in a physical and your doctor still does the "10 point" inspection he now ticks off 2 extra boxes, which raise the price from $75 to $100.

So now you (or insurance, or medicare) is paying an extra $25 that was previously included in the price but now is not.

No, now you are just trying to twist words and you know it.

The fact is that now Obama's centralized government plan has decided how to charge for things and is taking away the perogotive of the doctor. Where before the doctor chose how to charge you and provided services to you that were not based on some sort of 'price list menu' that service is now replaced with a form that forces the doctors and nurses to check off individualized services.

In fact it is just the starting point for government price fixing of these services :hammer:

Healthcare has always had more forms than the millitary. Are you serious about this argument? Really?

Again, from the article. Apparently you are the only one who doesn't understand. Its clearly says "Everyone knows . . ."


Anytime you read and article or study that says, "everyone knows." quit reading it, it simply means they have no data to back up the statement. It just seems like...
 
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