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Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry

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The Dow is down 1000 points today on corona virus fears. It is spreading rapidly in Italy with towns shutdown. I am confused, on one hand the powers at be say its not as bad as the seasonal flu but those same powers are shutting down towns and restricting travel. Which way is it?. I have never seen a response in my lifetime for the flu like this have you? Marty

I think there is a DON'T PANIC message being sent.

But at the same time the health officials seem to clearly indicate that they are expecting a pandemic that will be bad. They clearly have indicated in many articles that the world is not equipped to deal with this.

2 cases are being reported in Canada... related to travel to Iran.

And ZeroHedge.com noted this:
We're noting some new info from the CDC about the latest cases diagnosed in the US. Of the 14 non-Diamond Princess-related cases cited earlier, two of them are new: One is in Humboldt County, and the other in Sacramento County, both in California, per the Guardian.

The CDC added that it's preparing for outbreaks that could warrant the closure of schools and universities in the US.


Meanwhile in other news, Italian newspapers are indicating that 1/2 of Italy is under quarantine. That is an exaggeration, but it is the headlines in Italy. Clearly they are closing down some towns and have cancelled some major events. Even reports that now funerals in some areas of Italy are only open to immediate family. Searching for Patient Zero in Italy seems futile and a waste of time.

China is now reporting infections only growing by a couple hundred per day, has informed workers in some areas they must return to work and that if they get sick they are essentially on their own.

Korea has become a hotspot.

Iran has become a hotspot with credible (non-government) reports of 50 dead in a very short time span.

Here in the US it seems that most of our cases are in isolation and 39 of the roughly 52 are related to the cruise ship that was evacuated.


In Korea the US armed forces released this today:
USFK Individual Confirmed with COVID-19
By USFK Public Affairs | Feb. 24, 2020

https://www.usfk.mil/Media/News/Article/2091383/usfk-individual-confirmed-with-covid-19/

CAMP HUMPHREYS, PYEONGTAEK, Republic of Korea — —

South Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention informed United States Forces Korea today that a USFK dependent living in Daegu tested positive for COVID-19, making this the first time a USFK-related individual has tested positive for the virus.

USFK has raised the risk level to “high” for USFK peninsula-wide as a prudent measure to protect the force.

The patient, a 61-year old female, visited Camp Walker’s Post Exchange on Feb. 12 and 15, and KCDC and USFK health professionals are actively conducting contact tracing to determine whether any others may have been exposed.
 

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I think there is a DON'T PANIC message being sent.

But at the same time the health officials seem to clearly indicate that they are expecting a pandemic that will be bad. They clearly have indicated in many articles that the world is not equipped to deal with this.

Italian newspapers are indicating that 1/2 of Italy is under quarantine. That is an exaggeration, but it is the headlines in Italy. Clearly they are closing down some towns and have cancelled some major events. Even reports that now funerals in some areas of Italy are only open to immediate family. Searching for Patient Zero in Italy seems futile and a waste of time.

China is now reporting infections only growing by a couple hundred per day, has informed workers in some areas they must return to work and that if they get sick they are essentially on their own.

Korea has become a hotspot.

Iran has become a hotspot with credible (non-government) reports of 50 dead in a very short time span.

Here in the US it seems that most of our cases are in isolation and 39 of the roughly 52 are related to the cruise ship that was evacuated.


In Korea the US armed forces released this today:

I still do not have a clear understanding of why it attacks some people regardless of age or immune condition with mild or no symptoms and someone else much younger and healthier with the acute pneumonia symptoms of which half die. It seems as if it is genetic??
 

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I think that is one of several major questions that are in need of answers.
 

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Maybe we should all just plan to get the Corona virus?

From THE ATLANTIC ... a prominent Harvard epidemiologist says there is little chance of it being contained and that up to 70% of the world's population will get it. And it seems to affect people over 60 years old the hardest. And people with underlying illnesses like diabetes and other issues are also included in the hardest hit category. Perhaps the healthy under 50 crowd has little to be worried about, but the 60+ and especially the 60+ with complications probably should be concerned.

This is just part of a very long story. I would encourage you to read the whole article. LINK => https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/


You’re Likely to Get the Coronavirus
Most cases are not life-threatening, which is also what makes the virus a historic challenge to contain.


...The new coronavirus (known technically as SARS-CoV-2) that has been spreading around the world can cause a respiratory illness that can be severe. The disease (known as COVID-19) seems to have a fatality rate of less than 2 percent—exponentially lower than most outbreaks that make global news. The virus has raised alarm not despite that low fatality rate, but because of it.

Coronaviruses are similar to influenza viruses in that they are both single strands of RNA. Four coronaviruses commonly infect humans, causing colds. These are believed to have evolved in humans to maximize their own spread—which means sickening, but not killing, people. By contrast, the two prior novel coronavirus outbreaks—SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome, named for where the first outbreak occurred)—were picked up from animals, as was H5N1. These diseases were highly fatal to humans. If there were mild or asymptomatic cases, they were extremely few. Had there been more of them, the disease would have spread widely. Ultimately, SARS and MERS each killed fewer than 1,000 people.

COVID-19 is already reported to have killed more than twice that number. With its potent mix of characteristics, this virus is unlike most that capture popular attention: It is deadly, but not too deadly. It makes people sick, but not in predictable, uniquely identifiable ways. Last week, 14 Americans tested positive on a cruise ship in Japan despite feeling fine—the new virus may be most dangerous because, it seems, it may sometimes cause no symptoms at all.

The world has responded with unprecedented speed and mobilization of resources. The new virus was identified extremely quickly.
... And yet the outbreak continues to spread.

The Harvard epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch is exacting in his diction, even for an epidemiologist. Twice in our conversation he started to say something, then paused and said, “Actually, let me start again.” So it’s striking when one of the points he wanted to get exactly right was this: “I think the likely outcome is that it will ultimately not be containable.”

Containment is the first step in responding to any outbreak. In the case of COVID-19, the possibility (however implausible) of preventing a pandemic seemed to play out in a matter of days. Starting in January, China began cordoning off progressively larger areas, radiating outward from Wuhan City and eventually encapsulating some 100 million people. People were barred from leaving home, and lectured by drones if they were caught outside. Nonetheless, the virus has now been found in 24 countries.

Despite the apparent ineffectiveness of such measures—relative to their inordinate social and economic cost... Testing people who are already extremely sick is an imperfect strategy if people can spread the virus without even feeling bad enough to stay home from work.

Lipsitch predicts that, within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. But, he clarifies emphatically, this does not mean that all will have severe illnesses. “It’s likely that many will have mild disease, or may be asymptomatic,” he said. As with influenza, which is often life-threatening to people with chronic health conditions and of older age, most cases pass without medical care. (Overall, around 14 percent of people with influenza have no symptoms.)

Lipsitch is far from alone in his belief that this virus will continue to spread widely. The emerging consensus among epidemiologists is that the most likely outcome of this outbreak is a new seasonal disease—a fifth “endemic” coronavirus. With the other four, people are not known to develop long-lasting immunity. If this one follows suit, and if the disease continues to be as severe as it is now, “cold and flu season” could become “cold and flu and COVID-19 season.”

At this point, it is not even known how many people are infected. As of Sunday, there have been 35 confirmed cases in the U.S., according to the World Health Organization. But Lipsitch’s “very, very rough” estimate when we spoke a week ago (banking on “multiple assumptions piled on top of each other,” he said) was that 100 or 200 people in the U.S. were infected. That’s all it would take to seed the disease widely. The rate of spread would depend on how contagious the disease is in milder cases. On Friday, Chinese scientists reported in the medical journal JAMA an apparent case of asymptomatic spread of the virus, from a patient with a normal chest CT scan. The researchers concluded with stolid understatement that if this finding is not a bizarre abnormality, “the prevention of COVID-19 infection would prove challenging.”

Even if Lipsitch’s estimates were off by orders of magnitude, they wouldn’t likely change the overall prognosis. “Two hundred cases of a flu-like illness during flu season—when you’re not testing for it—is very hard to detect,” Lipsitch said. “But it would be really good to know sooner rather than later whether that’s correct, or whether we’ve miscalculated something. The only way to do that is by testing.”

Originally, doctors in the U.S. were advised not to test people unless they had been to China or had contact with someone who had been diagnosed with the disease. Within the past two weeks, the CDC said it would start screening people in five U.S. cities, in an effort to give some idea of how many cases are actually out there. But tests are still not widely available. As of Friday, the Association of Public Health Laboratories said that only California, Nebraska, and Illinois had the capacity to test people for the virus.

With so little data, prognosis is difficult. But the concern that this virus is beyond containment—that it will be with us indefinitely—is nowhere more apparent than in the global race to find a vaccine, one of the clearest strategies for saving lives in the years to come....​
See the link for the beginning and the remainder of this story.​
 

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Maybe we should all just plan to get the Corona virus?

From THE ATLANTIC ... a prominent Harvard epidemiologist says there is little chance of it being contained and that up to 70% of the world's population will get it. And it seems to affect people over 60 years old the hardest. And people with underlying illnesses like diabetes and other issues are also included in the hardest hit category. Perhaps the healthy under 50 crowd has little to be worried about, but the 60+ and especially the 60+ with complications probably should be concerned.

This is just part of a very long story. I would encourage you to read the whole article. LINK => https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/


See the link for the beginning and the remainder of this story.​

The under 50 crowd should have nothing to worry about. Then why are 80 year olds asympamatic and 34 year old doctors dead?
 

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The under 50 crowd should have nothing to worry about. Then why are 80 year olds asympamatic and 34 year old doctors dead?

Statistically the over 60 and the sick categories have the most to worry about. The under 50 and health crowd have very little to worry about. But there will always be exceptions.
 

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That should solve the Social Security shorfall problem.

Here and in China.

I am over 60.
 

m1west

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Statistically the over 60 and the sick categories have the most to worry about. The under 50 and health crowd have very little to worry about. But there will always be exceptions.

I would like to see a spread sheet with ages, race, pre existing conditions if any and gender showing recovered and fatalities on this particular virus as it has proven itself not to be typical. I got that the older you are or existing conditions will lower your immune system. I am not convinced at this time that developing the pneumonia is linked to the immune system. It may be going after a genetic marker in your DNA.
 

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It will be sad if this kills at least as many as the spanish flu did 100 yrs ago with all the medical advances we've had in the last 100 yrs. Is this the "superbug" no antibiotic can kill?? I'm not crying wolf, just pointing out possible outcomes.
Mike
 

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As always, go to the link for the full story but here are some bad and good headlines for the day:

Iranian Health Minister apparently tests positive for Corona.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...cted-coronavirus-seen-looking-feverish-during
... the 'official' number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Iran had climbed to 14, and that one of the newly diagnosed patients was an Iranian Deputy Health Minister named Iraj Harirchi, who announced in a video on Tuesday that he would "certainly defeat corona"...

Well, new footage has surfaced allegedly from a press conference in Tehran held before Harirchi's diagnosis. In the video, he can be seen looking extremely unwell, repeatedly wiping his brow with what appear to be tissues...




WSJ: Drugmaker Moderna Delivers 1st Experimental Vaccine

https://www.wsj.com/articles/drugma...navirus-vaccine-for-human-testing-11582579099
Drugmaker Moderna Inc. has shipped the first batch of its rapidly developed coronavirus vaccine to U.S. government researchers, who will launch the first human tests of whether the experimental shot could help suppress the epidemic originating in China.

Moderna on Monday sent vaccine vials from its Norwich, Mass., manufacturing plant to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in Bethesda, Md., the company said ...




Europe Questions Italy's Ability To Contain Outbreak After Hospital Helped Spread Virus

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...-commits-suicide-cases-near-1000-live-updates
Bahrain has banned its citizens from traveling to Iran as it reports 9 new cases of coronavirus, raising the total cases in the tiny island kingdom to 17 in the span of 24 hours.

* * *

Update (0800ET): With his reputation under fire and his popularity slipping, PM Giuseppe Conte said Tuesday that he's confident that the measures his government has put in place will contain the contagion in the coming days.

This comes after the PM admitted that a hospital in Lombardy inadvertently helped spread the virus by not adhering to certain health-care protocols. The PM has blamed the hospital for the outbreak in the north, raising questions about whether "the European nation is capable of containing the outbreak," according to CNN. To put things in perspective, Italy now has 3x the number of cases in Hong Kong.
"That certainly contributed to the spread," Conte said, without naming the institution concerned. The infection has been centered around the town of Codogno, around 35 miles south of Milan.

"Obviously we cannot predict the progress of the virus. It is clear that there has been an outbreak and it has spread from there," Conte told reporters, referring to the hospital.​




BLOOMBERG NEWS: How Fast Can a Virus Destroy a Supply Chain?
Just-in-time networks are very efficient but extremely fragile.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...collapse-of-global-supply-chains?srnd=opinion
The global supply chain, already under pressure from President Donald Trump’s trade war, now faces further strain from the coronavirus. And while cross-national supply chains are more robust than they may appear, if they fail they will do so suddenly and without much warning.

Consider the supply chain of the Apple iPhone, which stretches across dozens of companies and several continents. Such complex cross-national supply chains generate relatively high profits, giving them a kind of immunity to small disruptions. If there is an unexpected tax, tariff or exchange movement, the supply chain can generally swallow the costs and move on. Profits will be lower within the supply chain, but production will continue, as it is too lucrative to simply shut everything down.

Do not be deceived, however: Supply chains are not indestructible. If the new costs or risks are high enough, the entire structure will be dismantled. By their nature, supply chains do not fall apart slowly, because each part of the chain relies upon other parts to add its value. It does not help much to have the circuit components of the iPhone lined up, for instance, if you cannot also produce the glass screens. In this way, these supply chains are less robust under extreme conditions.

Global supply chains have yet to come apart mostly because trade and prosperity generally have been rising. But now, for the first time since World War II, the global economy faces the possibility of a true decoupling of many trade connections. . .
 

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Anyone starting to get a little concerned now? If so then you are in the minority. The vast majority of Americans think this is nothing. Assume the gubmint will handle it. May not even be aware it is happening at all, or simply just don't care because its all happening so far away that they think it will never get here.

The CDC is planning for a pandemic. Health officials are saying it will be a pandemic.

Close the schools & universities and do teaching over the computer. Here in my school district we call it e-Learning. The teachers + students are in their respective homes, on-line on their computers. Assignments and given out and graded on-line. Teachers must be reachable by phone and/or email and be on-line during the school day times. I believe the students must log in-log off in some system that tracks their work too.

Supply chain interruptions look likely. The stock market is spooked. Drug companies and medical equipment makers that source parts, ingredients, and components from China are all in panic mode. Apparently a very large % of our antibiotics come out of China/Asia.

Coronavirus live updates: US confirms 53 cases, CDC outlines pandemic planning

CNBC News is reporting => https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/25/coronavirus-latest-updates.html
Coronavirus live updates: US confirms 53 cases, CDC outlines pandemic planning

This is a live blog. Please check back for updates.

All times below are in Eastern time.

Total confirmed cases: More than 80,200
Total deaths: At least 2,704


3:52 pm: US health officials say human trials on coronavirus vaccine to start in 6 weeks

Human trials testing a potential vaccine for the COVID-19 coronavirus are expected to begin in six weeks, U.S. health officials announced Tuesday. “We are on time at least and maybe even a little bit better,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, an agency within the Department of Health and Human Services, told reporters at a press conference. “Hopefully, no further glitches.” The White House reportedly asked Congress on Monday for $1.25 billion in additional funding to bolster its coronavirus response, including money to develop a vaccine and therapeutics to treat the virus. The National Institutes of Health has been working with biotech company Moderna to develop a vaccine using the current strain of the coronavirus.

3:49 pm: US health officials say coronavirus will likely cause a global pandemic

The coronavirus outbreak that’s shuttered commerce across China will likely become a global pandemic, a top U.S. health official said, adding that it’s just a matter of time before the outbreak starts spreading in the U.S. “Current global circumstances suggest it’s likely this virus will cause a pandemic,” Anne Schuchat, principal deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told reporters at a news briefing. “It’s not so much a question of if this will happen any more, but rather more a question of when this will happen and how many people in this country will become infected and how many of those will develop severe or more complicated disease,” she added. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar added: “We can’t hermetically seal off the United States.”

3:46 pm: FDA says it’s monitoring the market for potential drug shortages, fraudulent treatment claims

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is monitoring for potential drug shortages and fraudulent treatment claims as the coronavirus outbreak places a pause on its product inspections in China. The FDA has identified about 20 drug products that either solely source their active ingredients or produce finished drug products in China and has contacted their manufacturers to see if they have experienced any supply issues, FDA spokesperson Stephanie Caccomo said in a statement. “None of these firms has reported any shortage to date,” Caccomo said. “We will continue to remain in contact with the manufacturers so that we can best help mitigate any potential issues in the future.” Since Jan. 24, the FDA has also reached out to over 180 manufacturers to remind them of their requirement to notify the FDA of any anticipated supply disruptions, Caccomo said. —Higgins-Dunn

2:50 pm: CDC hopes the coronavirus outbreak is seasonal like the flu and subsides in the summer

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said there is a hypothesis among mathematical modelers that the coronavirus outbreak “could potentially be seasonal” and relent in warmer conditions. “Other viral respiratory diseases are seasonal, including influenza and therefore in many viral respiratory diseases we do see a decrease in disease in spring and summer,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said on a conference call Tuesday. “And so we can certainly be optimistic that this disease will follow suit.” –Feuer

2:25 pm: Kudlow tries to assuage coronavirus concerns and impact on US economy

National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow tried to assuage concerns over the cornavirus and its impact on the U.S. economy, saying officials “have contained this.” The comments came hours after the CDC said the COVID-19 coronavirus is “likely” to continue to spread throughout the United States and the American public should “prepare for the expectation that this is going to be bad.” –Lovelace

1:49 pm: Coronavirus outbreak could force cancellation of 2020 Tokyo Games, IOC member says

A senior member of the International Olympic Committee said that if it proves too dangerous to hold the Olympics in Tokyo this summer because of the coronavirus outbreak, organizers are more likely to cancel it altogether than to postpone or move it. Dick Pound, a former Canadian swimming champion who has been on the IOC since 1978, making him its longest-serving member, estimated there is a three-month window — perhaps a two-month one — to decide the fate of the Tokyo Olympics, meaning a decision could be put off until late May. —Associated Press

1:24 pm: Eleventh death in coronavirus outbreak in northern Italy


A 76-year-old woman died in the northern Italian city of Treviso, the Veneto region said, the eleventh victim of the worst coronavirus outbreak in Europe. Italy is struggling against the contagion with its epicenter in the wealthy regions of Lombardy and Veneto. The number of confirmed cases rose to 322 from 229 on Monday, the vast majority of them in the north of the country. —Reuters

1:09 pm: Economic fallout from coronavirus appears ‘much worse’ than SARS

The economic drag from the new coronavirus will turn out to be larger than SARS, according to Gene Seroka, executive director of the Port of Los Angeles. Seroka was working in Shanghai during the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak. “At that time, we were all grounded,” he told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” on Tuesday. “This appears to be much worse because of the number of folks who were infected and the lack of productivity.” While estimates vary, economists believe SARS cost the global economy about $40 billion. — Belvedere

12:54 pm: Romania confirms first case as Italy reports more deaths

Romania confirmed its first case — a man who returned three weeks ago from Italy, television station Realitatea Plus said, quoting medical sector sources. In Italy, three more people infected with the coronavirus have died, bringing the death toll there to 10, the chief of the Civil Protection agency said. The number of cases in Italy more than doubled in the last day, topping 322 as of Tuesday morning, according to Italian health officials. The contagion was particularly strong in the northern regions of Lombardy and Veneto, the country’s industrial and financial heartland. Italy’s neighboring countries have committed not to close their borders, Health Minister Roberto Speranza said, as Rome’s government struggles to contain the biggest coronavirus outbreak in Europe. —Reuters with CNBC

12:34 pm: US health secretary Azar says more cases likely, seeks more funding

U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar said there will likely be more cases of coronavirus in the United States as he asked a Senate subcommittee to approve $2.5 billion in funding to fight the outbreak after proposing cuts to the department’s budget. Azar said the funding would help the U.S. expand surveillance systems for the fast-spreading virus, support state and local governments, help development of vaccines and therapies and expand stockpiles of protective equipment like surgical masks. He said the U.S. currently has a stockpile of 30 million surgical masks, but HHS estimates suggest the country needs 300 million masks. —Reuters

12:01 pm: CDC outlines what closing schools, businesses would look like in US pandemic

The CDC outlined what schools and businesses will likely need to do if the COVID-19 virus becomes an epidemic outbreak in the U.S. Schools should consider dividing students into smaller groups or close and use “internet-based tele-schooling,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters on a conference call. “For adults, businesses can replace in-person meetings with video or telephone conferences and increase teleworking options,” Messonnier said. She said local communities and cities may need to “modify, postpone or cancel mass gatherings.” Hospitals may need to triage patients differently, add more tele-health services and delay elective surgery, she said. “We are asking the American public to work with us to prepare for the expectation that this is going to be bad,” she said. —Lovelace, Feuer

11:37 am: Bahrain reports 6 new cases of coronavirus coming from Iran

Bahrain has identified six more new cases of coronavirus all coming from Iran, taking the total number in the Gulf kingdom to 23, the state news agency BNA reported, citing the health ministry.In a precautionary measure to limit the spread of the virus, the education ministry said all public and private schools, including kindergartens, would be closed for two weeks from Wednesday, BNA added.

As with my other posts, there is much more at the link, I simply posted up the more important information. Follow the link to get the videos, photos and the rest of the story.
 

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It is getting interesting, isn't it?

It is looking like it could possibly become a pandemic. The next question is, "If it does, what next?". Self isolation? For how long? The Spanish flu at its height lasted about a year in the US. In some parts of the world it rattled around and mutated for almost 10 years. So, how long are you willing to stay isolated and cut off from the rest of humanity?

Canceling classes at schools and universities, banning sports events and any activity that draws a crowd are all short term solutions. You can't possibly keep that up for any length of time. We all need to go to the grocery store … as long as there is anything to buy on the shelves. To be honest, I have no idea where this thing is going to end up.

Like some others on this board, I live out in the country and as such I am prepared to handle power outages and other inconveniences for days or a few weeks but for month after month after month, I don't think so. Besides, I don't know if I'd want to do that anyway. It is certainly interesting times that we are living in.
 

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It is getting interesting, isn't it?

It is looking like it could possibly become a pandemic. The next question is, "If it does, what next?". Self isolation? For how long? The Spanish flu at its height lasted about a year in the US. In some parts of the world it rattled around and mutated for almost 10 years. So, how long are you willing to stay isolated and cut off from the rest of humanity?

Canceling classes at schools and universities, banning sports events and any activity that draws a crowd are all short term solutions. You can't possibly keep that up for any length of time. We all need to go to the grocery store … as long as there is anything to buy on the shelves. To be honest, I have no idea where this thing is going to end up.

Like some others on this board, I live out in the country and as such I am prepared to handle power outages and other inconveniences for days or a few weeks but for month after month after month, I don't think so. Besides, I don't know if I'd want to do that anyway. It is certainly interesting times that we are living in.

From the first reports I felt like this one was different due to the response, If China and WHO came out with we have another one to add to the seasonal cold and flu season with around a 2% mortality rate gave some suggestions like wash your hands everyone would probably taken it in stride. But NO instead China is hiding information ( nothing to see here ) while locking down millions of people. It is now spreading around the world and reports of people dropping like flies coming out of China. other countries are reacting the same way Lockdown. I just wish someone would hold a credible news conference and lay out the truth in laymen terms exactly what we are dealing with. If its nothing just say that and act like that. If its deadly then say that too. I think what is driving the fear is people just don't know what to think due to the conflicting reports. Marty
 

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I'm starting to hear (from multiple sources), that this might be a man made virus.....

Lemme go get my camo thongs ready
 

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It is getting interesting, isn't it?
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Like some others on this board, I live out in the country and as such I am prepared to handle power outages and other inconveniences for days or a few weeks but for month after month after month, I don't think so. Besides, I don't know if I'd want to do that anyway. It is certainly interesting times that we are living in.
I've built up food and supplies, could probably last a couple months in isolation but it wouldn't be a lot of fun toward the end of that 60 days. Going stir crazy would set in pretty quickly. Still, how long. Even if I bought a years worth of food & toilet paper would I want to do that?




... I just wish someone would hold a credible news conference and lay out the truth in laymen terms exactly what we are dealing with....

Do they even know? With China hiding the truth, and with too little experience in other parts of the world do scientists really understand?

Its great news we are seeing some vaccine tests coming quickly. But there is also a lot of potentially bad news coming out too. What do we know? How bad is it? I don't think anyone knows.




I'm starting to hear (from multiple sources), that this might be a man made virus.....
Those reports have been circulating since the beginning. There seems to be some credible evidence it could be true. Whether it is or not, it is out on the loose and not contained. Man made or not we have to deal with it.



Once it gets into South America, it will storm across the Southern border.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...-commits-suicide-cases-near-1000-live-updates
Update (1900ET): We've got some (potentially) big news. Brazil's Health Ministry said a man has tested positive for the coronavirus on in initial test. If it's confirmed in a second test, it will be the first case in South America.​
 

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I've built up food and supplies, could probably last a couple months in isolation but it wouldn't be a lot of fun toward the end of that 60 days. Going stir crazy would set in pretty quickly. Still, how long. Even if I bought a years worth of food & toilet paper would I want to do that?

That's my point. My wife and I are 72-years old. We don't eat as much as we used to. We can probably last about 3 months in isolation but I doubt that I could keep my wife home all that time. She has so many commitments around town that she isn't going to spend 3 months locked up here with me. And then there are the "friends" from Dallas who want to come stay with us but bring nothing to augment our supplies. I can think of 4 or 6 of those without trying very hard.

Bob, I'm like you. I can easily afford to go to Walmart and load up on supplies to last out the year for 2, 4 or 6 people but is that really what I want to do?
 

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I too have been preparing, but trying hard to temper what the fake news is saying with a dose of reality.

As of Feb 4, 2019, 19 Million people in the US have contracted the flu and 10K have died and that is WITH as vaccine!!!! I dunno. I just do NOT trust the media to report the truth or our government to tell us the truth. So, I have no idea just what in hell the truth is.

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EastTexFrank

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I'm with TR. This could be the media's latest "the sky is falling" scenario. There is so much information out there and a lot of it is contradictory. I really don't know what to think.

When you do think about it, at it's worst, it's going to be as if you are under house arrest. At least initially, you will have power, water and utilities. If you have food there will be no real hardship involved, inconvenience perhaps, but no real hardship. The problems will begin when services start to fail … if they do, and when the food starts to run out.
 

m1west

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I'm with TR. This could be the media's latest "the sky is falling" scenario. There is so much information out there and a lot of it is contradictory. I really don't know what to think.

When you do think about it, at it's worst, it's going to be as if you are under house arrest. At least initially, you will have power, water and utilities. If you have food there will be no real hardship involved, inconvenience perhaps, but no real hardship. The problems will begin when services start to fail … if they do, and when the food starts to run out.

I think am with Melensdad, We are getting conflicting information because the powers at be don't know themselves. China is not cooperating, withholding information and spreading disinformation. Us and the whole world are where China was 2 months ago and now have to figure it out ourselves. I hope People here in the US and the world have learned something about partnering with a communist country and being reliant on their products for necessary day to day life. If it turns out to be mild it may be the blessing in disguise that un masks who China really is to the non believers. Marty
 

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Cryin' chuck schumer is certainly working hard to weaponize it against Trump and of course nervous nancy had to throw in her 2 cents.
Mike
 

m1west

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Add this one. Maybe we can create a spread sheet on reports into categories ranging from nothing to your going to die. Its ridiculous that these reports are all over the place.
 

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Melensdad

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There is a lot of conflicting data.

I see a lot of people who try to downplay this by comparing it to the seasonal flu and other diseases. I don't think that is useful because the CDC and the WHO are saying that this is not responding like a typical seasonal flu so why do people try to downplay it by comparing it something that the scientists do not compare it to? I'm not being alarmist, I'm just providing the data that I find. The WHO is comparing this to SARS and EBOLA not to the flu. The CDC is saying it is far more dangerous than the seasonal flu because of how it acts, and because so many may only get mild cases they may spread it to people who are very susceptible to getting complications. The CDC and WHO are also puzzled as to why some people only get mild symptoms and others quickly die from complications.

From the early onset I was skeptical of the Chinese claims, if anything there is far more reason to believe the Chinese are bigger liars than anyone had ever guessed.

I just provide the headlines, the links and the highlights. Figure out for yourself what you need to do.

I have a distant family member who worked at the CDC for over 2 decades, he is now a consultant to the CDC and living outside of Atlanta (in the woods on a mountain with supplies). He says the US has a lot to worry about with this particular pandemic.

This from the English language Chinese newspaper EPOCH TIMES, via the English news company DailyMail:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eport-claims.html?ito=email_share_article-top


  • [*]Coronavirus outbreak is 52 TIMES worse in one Chinese province than officials admit as local authorities seek to hide the true number of people infected, report claims
    [*]Daily figure in Shandong has been up to 52 times the official toll, it is said
    [*]Shocking finding was revealed to a US-based newspaper by local officials
    [*]Comes after a worrying outbreak was detected inside a prison in the area
    [*]Mike Pompeo yesterday accused China of covering up the epidemic scale


ZeroHedge is reporting the following summary, which includes a potential outbreak in New York on Long Island.

Again, ZeroHedge has not yet been proven wrong but is regularly criticized for being alarmist. So far they have been accurate.

If being accurate is alarmist then that is an issue for the person who is denying fact :hammer:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ads-across-europe-virus-arrives-south-america
Summary:

  • CDC reports 6 new cases among repatriated Americans
  • 83 being monitored in Nassau County
  • Norway has confirmed its first case
  • 8 quarantined in Westchester
  • HHS confirms 15th case
  • Iran deaths hit 19
  • Brazil confirms first case in South America
  • France confirms 2nd death
  • Tokyo pushes back against Tokyo Games cancellation talk
  • Greece confirms first case
  • Germany unleashes fiscal stimulus after confirming new cases
  • Dems one-up Trump with $8.5 billion package.
  • Kuwait, Iraq, Lebanon, Bahrain confirm new cases
  • Finland confirms 2nd case
  • 1st 2 cases reported in Pakistan
  • HHS Secretary tells Congress infectious disease fund has no extra uncommitted cash
  • Congress begins talks on corona virus spending bill with vote expected early next month
  • Germany health minister warns we're at beginning of epidemic in Germany; 5 new cases
  • Italy confirms 12th death, cases soar above 400
  • North Macedonia confirms first case
  • South Korea cases soar above 1,200 as gov't begins testing of 200k patients
  • Brazil confirms infected patient came on plane from Paris
  • Ericsson confirms one of its employees in Croatia tested positive
* * *
 

m1west

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There is a lot of conflicting data.

I see a lot of people who try to downplay this by comparing it to the seasonal flu and other diseases. I don't think that is useful because the CDC and the WHO are saying that this is not responding like a typical seasonal flu so why do people try to downplay it by comparing it something that the scientists do not compare it to? I'm not being alarmist, I'm just providing the data that I find. The WHO is comparing this to SARS and EBOLA not to the flu. The CDC is saying it is far more dangerous than the seasonal flu because of how it acts, and because so many may only get mild cases they may spread it to people who are very susceptible to getting complications. The CDC and WHO are also puzzled as to why some people only get mild symptoms and others quickly die from complications.

From the early onset I was skeptical of the Chinese claims, if anything there is far more reason to believe the Chinese are bigger liars than anyone had ever guessed.

I just provide the headlines, the links and the highlights. Figure out for yourself what you need to do.

I have a distant family member who worked at the CDC for over 2 decades, he is now a consultant to the CDC and living outside of Atlanta (in the woods on a mountain with supplies). He says the US has a lot to worry about with this particular pandemic.

This from the English language Chinese newspaper EPOCH TIMES, via the English news company DailyMail:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eport-claims.html?ito=email_share_article-top


  • [*]Coronavirus outbreak is 52 TIMES worse in one Chinese province than officials admit as local authorities seek to hide the true number of people infected, report claims
    [*]Daily figure in Shandong has been up to 52 times the official toll, it is said
    [*]Shocking finding was revealed to a US-based newspaper by local officials
    [*]Comes after a worrying outbreak was detected inside a prison in the area
    [*]Mike Pompeo yesterday accused China of covering up the epidemic scale


ZeroHedge is reporting the following summary, which includes a potential outbreak in New York on Long Island.

Again, ZeroHedge has not yet been proven wrong but is regularly criticized for being alarmist. So far they have been accurate.

If being accurate is alarmist then that is an issue for the person who is denying fact :hammer:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ads-across-europe-virus-arrives-south-america

The new news seems to be getting more dire. 8 billion dollars to fight it in the US. 8 billion dollars is $16,000.00 per day for 2000 years, but hey don't worry about it the flu is much worse. Like your family member I can be on a mountain on 80 acres in the woods in 4 hours. I am watching closely. Like you I am not in panic mode but I am prepared.
 

Melensdad

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And the latest news, a Korean Airline Stewardess was just diagnosed with Corona. The significance of this tidbit is that she flew the route to Los Angeles several times. It was her regular route. She was just diagnosed in Seoul.
 

m1west

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President Trump just had a new conference on the Corona virus with some experts. Bla bla bla we are on it. Nothing to worry about right now if it flares up we will beat it back. I think the powers at be are worried about the economy.
 

m1west

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There is enough of it spread around the world now, it shouldn't be much longer before we know what the truth is on mortality rate and why some get it bad and die and some do not. That is the information I need to make decisions on what I am going to do.
 
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