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Bye-Bye American Empire

Bamby

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G20 Summit, Top Agenda Item: Bye-Bye American Empire

The G20 summits are nominally about how the world’s biggest national economies can cooperate to boost global growth. This year’s gathering – more than ever – shows, however, that rivalry between the US and China is center stage.

Zeroing in further still, the rivalry is an expression of a washed-up American empire desperately trying to reclaim its former power. There is much sound, fury and pretense from the outgoing hegemon – the US – but the ineluctable reality is an empire whose halcyon days are a bygone era.

Ahead of the summit taking place this weekend in Argentina, the Trump administration has been issuing furious ultimatums to China to “change its behavior”. Washington is threatening an escalating trade war if Beijing does not conform to American demands over economic policies.

President Trump has taken long-simmering US complaints about China to boiling point, castigating Beijing for unfair trade, currency manipulation, and theft of intellectual property rights. China rejects this pejorative American characterization of its economic practices.

Nevertheless, if Beijing does not comply with US diktats then the Trump administration says it will slap increasing tariffs on Chinese exports.

The gravity of the situation was highlighted by the comments this week of China’s ambassador to the US, Cui Tiankai, who warned that the “lessons of history” show trade wars can lead to catastrophic shooting wars. He urged the Trump administration to be reasonable and to seek a negotiated settlement of disputes.

The problem is that Washington is demanding the impossible. It’s like as if the US wants China to turn the clock back to some imagined former era of robust American capitalism. But it is not in China’s power to do that. The global economy has shifted structurally away from US dominance. The wheels of production and growth are in China’s domain of Eurasia.

For decades, China functioned as a giant market for cheap production of basic consumer goods. Now under President Xi Jinping, the nation is moving to a new phase of development involving sophisticated technologies, high-quality manufacture, and investment.

It’s an economic evolution that the world has seen before, in Europe, the US and now Eurasia. In the decades after the Second World War, up to the 197os, it was US capitalism that was the undisputed world leader. Combined with its military power, the postwar global order was defined and shaped by Washington. Sometimes misleading called Pax Americana, there was nothing peaceful about the US-led global order. It was more often an order of relative stability purchased by massive acts of violence and repressive regimes under Washington’s tutelage.

In American mythology, it does not have an empire. The US was supposed to be different from the old European colonial powers, leading the rest of the world through its “exceptional” virtues of freedom, democracy and rule of law. In truth, US global dominance relied on the application of ruthless imperial power.

The curious thing about capitalism is it always outgrows its national base. Markets eventually become too small and the search for profits is insatiable. American capital soon found more lucrative opportunities in the emerging market of China. From the 1980s on, US corporations bailed out of America and set up shop in China, exploiting cheap labor and exporting their goods back to increasingly underemployed America consumers. The arrangement was propped up partly because of seemingly endless consumer debt.

That’s not the whole picture of course. China has innovated and developed independently from American capital. It is debatable whether China is an example of state-led capitalism or socialism. The Chinese authorities would claim to subscribe to the latter. In any case, China’s economic development has transformed the entire Eurasian hemisphere. Whether you like it or not, Beijing is the dynamo for the global economy. One indicator is how nations across Asia-Pacific are deferring to China for their future growth.

Washington likes to huff and puff about alleged Chinese expansionism “threatening” US allies in Asia-Pacific. But the reality is that Washington is living in the past of former glory. Trading blocs like the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) realize their bread is buttered by China, no longer America. Washington’s rhetoric about “standing up to China” is just that – empty rhetoric. It doesn’t mean much to countries led by their interests of economic development and the benefits of Chinese investment.

One example is Taiwan. In contrast to Washington’s shibboleths about “free Taiwan”, more and more Asian countries are dialing down their bilateral links with Taiwan in deference to China’s position, which views the island as a renegade province. The US position is one of rhetoric, whereas the relations of other countries are based on material economic exigencies. And respecting Beijing’s sensibilities is for them a prudent option.

A recent report by the New York Times starkly illustrated the changing contours of the global economic order. It confirmed what many others have observed, that China is on the way to surpass the US as the world’s top economy. During the 1980s, some 75 per cent of China’s population were living in “extreme poverty”, according to the NY Times. Today, less than 1 per cent of the population is in that dire category. For the US, the trajectory has been in reverse with greater numbers of its people subject to deprivation.

China’s strategic economic plans – the One Belt One Road initiative – of integrating regional development under its leadership and finance have already created a world order analogous to what American capital achieved in the postwar decades.

American pundits and politicians like Vice President Mike Pence may disparage China’s economic policies as creating “debt traps” for other countries. But the reality is that other countries are gravitating to China’s dynamic leadership.

Arguably, Beijing’s vision for economic development is more enlightened and sustainable than what was provided by the Americans and Europeans before. The leitmotif for China, along with Russia, is very much one of multipolar development and mutual partnership. The global economy is not simply moving from one hegemon – the US – to another imperial taskmaster – China.

One thing seems inescapable. The days of American empire are over. Its capitalist vigor has dissipated decades ago. What the upheaval and rancor in relations between Washington and Beijing is all about is the American ruling class trying to recreate some fantasy of former vitality. Washington wants China to sacrifice its own development in order to somehow rejuvenate American society. It’s not going to happen.

That’s not to say that American society can never be rejuvenated. It could, as it could also in Europe. But that would entail a restructuring of the economic system involving democratic regeneration. The “good old days” of capitalism are gone. The American empire, as with the European empires, is obsolete.

That’s the unspoken Number One agenda item at the G20 summit. Bye-bye US empire.

What America needs to do is regenerate through a reinvented social economic order, one that is driven by democratic development and not the capitalist private profit of an elite few.

If not, the futile alternative is US failing political leaders trying to coerce China, and others, to pay for their future. That way leads to war.



Strategic Culture Foundation



Personally I can read a lot of truth stated in this article...
 

Bamby

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We are now a nation that is divided within itself about essentially everything... How as such does Washington believe the world should follow such an appalling mess. We as a Nation now can't agree with anything. The same old same old is constantly consuming time, energy and capitol that could be utilized for constructive purposes.

We have the New World Order
We have Global Warming
We have Gun Control / Second Amendment
We have Snowflakes
We have Liberals who want change but are unwilling to discuss or exchange ideas.
We have a whole host of others prodding to have laws passed if their favor.
We have Men competing against Women in Sports, talk about confusion. :wtf: Did you know actual Women athletes are disqualified in some events if their Testosterone levels are just a bit elevated? Same can't be said for SheMen...:hammer:


This Nation is now a Clusterfu@k and Washington's examples are what put us here.

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300 H and H

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Ok the author is just another European Soros shill for starters. :yum:

This dude has been writing anti American bullsh1t for years....

How he is an "expert on this subject is beyond me. Here is an short biography of who he is....


Finian Cunningham has written extensively on international affairs, with articles published in several languages. He is a Master’s graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in newspaper journalism. He is also a musician and songwriter. For nearly 20 years, he worked as an editor and writer in major news media organisations, including The Mirror, Irish Times and Independent.

Musician and Song writer? :yum:

He is just another anti American mouth piece, who plays Soros's song.. :hammer:

IF he were an American he would be a party leader in the Democratic Socialist party of the deep state. He knows NOTHING. :yum:

Just a hit piece in my mind. One of I am sure hundreds of those written with or by the Open Society propaganda machine, designed to make us "feel bad" about our nation.

The truth is the majority of the Chinese population is along the coastal area's in a few major cities, and several more lessor ones. IF push comes to shove, we could destroy this nation with just a few nukes in the right places. China knows that. Do you hear the inflammatory language coming from China's leaders? What you say? :yum:

Taiwan developed sperately form main land China as a British colony. China has little if not nothing to do with what Taiwan has become. They only lust after it..

I see this piece as just wanting to make Americans feel like we have already lost the "war".. Soros propaganda out of the play book he has inserted into our nation. Much like the Democrats who trounce the Republicans in crooked political polling, till election day... :yum:

Not saying China has not come along way. They certainly have. Much like a colony of dog ticks on the back of us, parasites, who continue to count on American innovations they steal from us.. They still relay on our trade and our food to a great degree. They rely on our American universities to teach them our technology. We should end that...Trump is their night mare. We need to end the influence of the Chinese in our Government, and it is there alright, as for the last 20 years they have been included because of their cheap labor, exploited by US companies. Truth there is there labor is no longer cheap. Many other developing nations now boast cheaper labor, as they convert from agrarian economies to that of a more developed nation. Viet Nam is one example.. India is another...

Just another Anti American hit piece is all this turns out to be. An opinion of an anti American, and most likely a Soros shill. :yum:

You can not fight America on our soil. Way to many citizens with guns besides the Army. Japan knew this in WW2. China knows it today, believe me. How can you take control and win a war with out taking Americans with it. No one in the world would even want to attempt that, with the private ownership of firearms we enjoy.....

BTW no citizen in China even owns a gun, or have shot one. :yum:

Regards, Kirk
 
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Bamby

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Call me what you will but as far as I'm concerned China, Russia, or any other foreign nation arn't even on my map as far as enemies are concerned. The biggest threat I feel I haft to face is "Liberals" and unfortunately most of them are domestic in nature though they are desperate to bring more in. Unless something is done to resolve our differences I foresee trouble ahead. I don't want to live in their utopian world and they're refusing to live in mine. If we could only go back to the simpler political differences of the pre Clinton era.
 

jimbo

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Who the heck is the "Strategic Culture Foundation".

I sure as heck can't "read a lot of truth stated in this article" It reads like any anti American propaganda. I think that the demise of this country is being greatly exaggerated.

From their web site.

Moscow-based anti-Zionist think tank and web publishing organisation

What else do you need to know?
 

300 H and H

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Call me what you will but as far as I'm concerned China, Russia, or any other foreign nation arn't even on my map as far as enemies are concerned. The biggest threat I feel I haft to face is "Liberals" and unfortunately most of them are domestic in nature though they are desperate to bring more in. Unless something is done to resolve our differences I foresee trouble ahead. I don't want to live in their utopian world and they're refusing to live in mine. If we could only go back to the simpler political differences of the pre Clinton era.

Sir I didn't call you anything.

But I do see your point. I suggest people like Soros, Styer, and other lefty billionairs are dividing us. Nationalism is their enemy. They want us to hate our nation, not love is as defined by the word Nationalism...

Regards, Kirk
 

300 H and H

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Trump should be considering removing student Visa's form all national Chinese students. Round them up, and with in 48 and deport them all. We know who, were and how many there are. What a clear message this would send to the Chinese. :hammer:

Close up their embassy for a few days while this is occurring. My guess is they would come to the trade table in hours.. :thumbup:

Regards, Kirk
 

Bamby

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And may I ask just what the Chinese students are doing that other foreign students aren't? Back when I was a kit my Dad was always implying the Japanese junk scattered on many store shelves. Yea Japanese workers were considered the threat then to American workers until the Japanese got to uppity to work cheap enough for the global corporations. So the corporations packed their bags and went to China.. People and nationalities are not the problem here... Pure unadulterated greed is the issue. I don't know when it was decided that a person who actually performs physical work should be deprived of anything resembling a modest living, but it's has happened. And unless it's somehow fixed the deprived will sooner or later rise up the fix the problem themselves.
 

mla2ofus

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Bamby;206 And unless it's somehow fixed the deprived will sooner or later rise up the fix the problem themselves.[/QUOTE said:
And that sounds like something the democratic socialists would pin on their battle flag for a new minimum wage!!
Mike
 

300 H and H

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And may I ask just what the Chinese students are doing that other foreign students aren't? Back when I was a kit my Dad was always implying the Japanese junk scattered on many store shelves. Yea Japanese workers were considered the threat then to American workers until the Japanese got to uppity to work cheap enough for the global corporations. So the corporations packed their bags and went to China.. People and nationalities are not the problem here... Pure unadulterated greed is the issue. I don't know when it was decided that a person who actually performs physical work should be deprived of anything resembling a modest living, but it's has happened. And unless it's somehow fixed the deprived will sooner or later rise up the fix the problem themselves.

May I ask you have many American students there are in China with students Visa?

How many are being taught the latest in Chinese technology?

It seems to me to be one sided. It also seems to me that many are here to steal our technology...

American interests went to China to capitalize on the cheap labor force, to get access to the burgeoning Chinese markets. Expensive energy costs, over regulation, taxes, and a host of other issues drove them to do so. Many of those things can and will change. Especially with a man who wishes to put America and it's citizens first..

Regards, Kirk
 
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