Why I'm Voting DEMOCRAT

daedong · Jun 20, 2008

fogtender said:
Had it been "Liberals" in our history as a whole, we would still be a part of the Crown... Never got involved in any of the World Wars,

You've really had me scratching my head here. I know my knowledge of American history is not as broad as some, but I take it by "liberals" you really mean "Democrats". Wasn't Woodrow Wilson (Democrat) the President when you entered WW1 and FD Roosevelt (Democrat) the President when you entered WW2? :huh:

Foggy

DaveNay · Jun 20, 2008

daedong said:
You've really had me scratching my head here. I know my knowledge of American history is not as broad as some, but I take it by "liberals" you really mean "Democrats". Wasn't Woodrow Wilson (Democrat) the President when you entered WW1 and FD Roosevelt (Democrat) the President when you entered WW2?

Foggy

Vin, The problem is that the labels Liberal and Conservative have flip-flopped their general meaning more than once in American history, so it is very difficult to classify historical actions into today's categories. Even in recent history, there is great disparity over the actions of one party. For example, look at the progression of Reagan -> Bush I -> Bush II -> McCain. If John McCain were to be compared to Regan, he would easily be classified as a Democrat. Even Bush II has a huge (did I say HUGE?) liberal spending streak in him.

In general, I greatly dislike it when people are painted with the big paint brush of red or blue, because it generally doesn't fit either case.

DaveNay · Jun 20, 2008

Deadly Sushi said:
This is a perfect example of BS. Hey lose 95% of yoour bank account and then losssse another 90% and talk your talk.
Dont think it could happen?

Perhaps you could use a good stiff shot of sarcasm? :poke:

thcri · Jun 20, 2008

Deadly Sushi said:
This is a perfect example of BS. Hey lose 95% of yoour bank account and then losssse another 90% and talk your talk.
Dont think it could happen?

You don't need to tell me about that, I did. But I am not sitting at home crying about what happened to me, I am starting over and even working harder. I am not looking for any freebies.

Cityboy · Jun 20, 2008

daedong said:
Was it not liberals throughout US history that really achieved freedoms of the community as a whole? If not who was it?

You are correct. It was Classical Liberalism, not to be confused with modern liberalism. For example, Thomas Jefferson was a Classical Liberal, whereas Franklin D. Roosevelt was a modern liberal. FDR was a megalomaniac who brought social welfare to the American mainstream and forever bastardized the definition of liberalism. FDR was a great admirer of Joseph Stalin if that helps in understanding FDR's effect on this country.

The modern American Democrat party more closely resembles Socialism than Classical Liberalism. It is modern Democrats that has turned the term "liberalism" into what it is in America today. And contrary to what my Republican friends would lead you to believe, modern Republicans no longer resemble Classical Liberals. They are more of a "Democrat Light".

Classical Liberalism was about freedom, liberty, and personal responsibility. Modern liberalism is about getting as many voters on public assistance as possible in order for the political left to maintain and increase its power.

fogtender · Jun 20, 2008

Cityboy said:
You are correct. It was Classical Liberalism, not to be confused with modern liberalism. For example, Thomas Jefferson was a Classical Liberal, whereas Franklin D. Roosevelt was a modern liberal. FDR was a megalomaniac who brought social welfare to the American mainstream and forever bastardized the definition of liberalism. FDR was a great admirer of Joseph Stalin if that helps in understanding FDR's effect on this country.

The modern American Democrat party more closely resembles Socialism than Classical Liberalism. It is modern Democrats that has turned the term "liberalism" into what it is in America today. And contrary to what my Republican friends would lead you to believe, modern Republicans no longer resemble Classical Liberals. They are more of a "Democrat Light".

Classical Liberalism was about freedom, liberty, and personal responsibility. Modern liberalism is about getting as many voters on public assistance as possible in order for the political left to maintain and increase its power.

Pretty well said.

daedong · Jun 20, 2008

fogtender said:
Had it been "Liberals" in our history as a whole, we would still be a part of the Crown... Never got involved in any of the World Wars, and in general, be more like something like China now.

All thoughout history, the Liberals tried not to get into war and did everything they could to apease the enemy... Then it took the Conservitive mindset to win back the losses incured by the Liberals.... Basically they are the low tide of the "ebb and flow" of the tides of history.

Foggy exactly which liberals where you referring to then, the modern or the ones throughout history?

BigAl · Jun 20, 2008

B_Skurka said:
I'm voting Democrat because I believe that the best strategy in war is defeat. It broadens the mind to learn Japanese, German and Arabic. Talk about multiculturalism!

I'm voting Democrat because I'm mad that George W. Bush hasn't caught Bin Laden. That's because Bin Laden is the only Islamic terrorist in the world.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that if I don't have enough money, the solution is for the government to take more of my money. Who needs money when gas is $4.50 per gallon?

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that the ideal family is two homosexual bonobos, a goat and a parrot raising a human baby. Love and compassion is all it takes to make a successful family!

I'm voting Democrat because it's my body, and if I want to kill my baby, I'll do it, even if its head is in the birth canal. If I want to cut out my intestines and feed them to the crocodiles, I'll do that too. That's the freedom our forefathers enshrined in the Constitution.

I'm voting Democrat because our enemies on the battlefield deserve comfy hotel rooms, Pay-Per-View, prostitutes and all the benefits of American citizenship. :stroke:

I'm voting Democrat because I believe we need other countries' permission for me to turn down my thermostat.

I'm voting Democrat because I care about the real victims of crime -- criminals.

I'm voting Democrat because the real cure for racism includes preferential policies based on race -- particularly in presidential voting. If you believe that a black candidate ought to be qualified, as well as black, you're worse than Bull Conner.

I'm voting Democrat because everyone deserves crappy healthcare. Sure, you'll have to wait years for that life-saving cancer surgery. But it's first come, first served at the cemetery!

I'm voting Democrat because I believe in minority rights (except in Muslim countries), free speech (with regard to pornography but not conservative talk radio), environmentalism (unless we're talking about Al Gore's house) and diplomacy (but never backed by the threat of military force).

I'm voting Democrat because I like the words "hope" and "change." Also "kazoo." That's a funny word.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that America's founders were rich, white, greedy xenophobes, and that America's founding principles are hogwash requiring periodic editing from an unelected group of liberal judges.

Most of all, I'm voting Democrat because I like the ideas they have over in France but I don't feel like moving there. I'll threaten to move, but I really won't. After all, I have a good job, healthcare, lower taxes, free speech and a social framework that promotes family structure. And all of it is defended by the most effective fighting force on the planet.

Get the negative points buttom ready to push on me !!!

Geez Bob ,

If you can tone it down from your soap box for a minute can you please tell me what poliltical party you are running for :hammer:

?? I have never in my life heard a guy say as much and and make less sense .Rant, Rant rant !!! Do you just like to hear yourself talk or just like to stir the pot ???
You really need to get back on you meds before you pop a cork :mellow:

. You now seem to be the expert on any subject and God help any poor sucker that does not believe or agree with you or your church's standing or you will overwhelm then with charts and polls to prove your point . The hell with personal opinions of others , If they don't mirror yours ,they are dead wrong .
An next time should not this thread be in the Debate and Discussion area or am I already there ??? :dizzy:

I already know I don't have all the answers in life but I am not even going to try and understand these rantings ,but I will respect your right to believe any way you wish as long as it goes both ways .

daedong · Jun 20, 2008

BigAl Maybe this has some connection

B_Skurka

Jerk in a Hawaiian Shirt

fogtender · Jun 20, 2008

daedong said:
Foggy exactly which liberals where you referring to then, the modern or the ones throughout history?

Modern Liberals and Conservatives, with couple of examples....

A Liberal wants to have national health care, and doesn't want to pay for it themselves. They want the "Public" to pay for it but they truly aren't smart enough to grasp the point that "They" are the public.

YOU say you are for National Health care, even down under, so everyone there is forced to cough up their own money to buy something they may not want or need to keep it alive, effectively killing the free market system. That makes you more of a Liberal...

A Conservative doesn't want to have to be told what to do and pay taxes on government that is past what a basic Government is suppose to do, protect the Country and allow commerce to build under a free enterprise so that they can work and prosper.

YOU built a shed in the back and didn't want to pay taxes on something that you had no Government help in doing. That makes you more of a Conservative...

Appears you are sitting on a fence.... and can go both ways..

How a person in life believes, is how they should act.

There is no way I will change people's mind that have it made up that everyone "OWES" them something for life. I don't think anyone owes me anything, if I do good, then I should prosper. If I don't do anything, I don't think I should be rewarded for sitting around on my butt either when I am able to work (and pay excessive taxes)

If people need help such as a flood or earthquake, it is the Government's job to help. Not supply Welfare for generations. If someone is truely in need, then that too should be a concern, but healthy and able to work don't cut it.

Al Gore is a very good example of a Liberal, he preaches "Global Warming" but has a house that is terribly inefficient, he just had it redone to be "Greener" and now it uses 10% more energy. One year of his energy bills can run over 200 "normal" people's house for a month... President Bush has a Ranch in Texas that is a lot more efficient and uses a lot of Green Technology and doesn't preach it.

When people grow up and realize that they are responsible for themselves and their family, then Liberals will have a very tough sell...

fogtender · Jun 20, 2008

BigAl said:
Get the negative points buttom ready to push on me !!!

Geez Bob ,

If you can tone it down from your soap box for a minute can you please tell me what poliltical party you are running for ?? I have never in my life heard a guy say as much and and make less sense .

It was sarcasm, and most people got it.

daedong · Jun 20, 2008

As per usual you chose not to give any rebuttal or comment instead you just go off on a rant.

daedong said:
Foggy exactly which liberals where you referring to then, the modern or the ones throughout history?

daedong said:
You've really had me scratching my head here. I know my knowledge of American history is not as broad as some, but I take it by "liberals" you really mean "Democrats". Wasn't Woodrow Wilson (Democrat) the President when you entered WW1 and FD Roosevelt (Democrat) the President when you entered WW2?

Foggy

Not responding to this and going off on a tangent, just highlights your ignorance, and unwillingness to accept when you are wrong.
have a good day.

BigAl · Jun 21, 2008

fogtender said:
It was sarcasm, and most people got it.

Foggy .... I got it too .

I've also read Bob's post for years here and at that other site . Did you notice my little happy faces I used ???? I did it on purpose to show I do have some humor .
Yes many parts of what Bob wrote I do agree with , but many parts are also complete nonsense and just makes it sound like all Democrates are a bunch of "less than human people" .
I have many good friends who are Democrates and I am a Repubilian ,but after that post I just want to go out and shoot those lousy bastards because now I know all Democrates are bad . I sure am glad we don't have any "Bad Nut Case repubilicans " in our party .... :dizzy:

. I am going to approch them(democrates) nicely and see if they will let me fill out there ballot card so they won't look so damn stupid .Those "Dumb Ass Bastards" are too dumb to even be able to crap correctly as stupid as they are ,much less vote. :shifty:

fogtender · Jun 21, 2008

BigAl said:
Foggy .... I got it too .

I've also read Bob's post for years here and at that other site . Did you notice my little happy faces I used ???? I did it on purpose to show I do have some humor .

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