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the other thing this airman forgot about and I wasn't the only one that had to deal with it. is having a spouse who cannot cope with alcohol or other substances taking care of your new born or family, while you are on the other side of the world putting your self in harms way. I made what I thought was good money while I was active there but I had a family and I had some rank but I don't believe that the job matched the pay. the one thing I tried to do was not ask for favors from the home town civilians. when I got back I was having meals paid for by grateful civilians, I always wanted to pay my own way, and most of the time I caved and gave in to their generosity I always wanted to at least offer to pay my way. I took the job signed a contract and did as I was told. the deployment was a part of the job and I was glad I had the opportunity to serve my country .
I wonder how much money Cindy Williams makes.
By the way, I was in the Navy from 1965 to 1969. I started out at less that $100 a month. When I got out I was making $283.50 a month as an E-4 in electronics. Supporting Viet Nam I was up and working 24 and 48 hours quite a few times.....No overtime.
By the way, I was in the Navy from 1965 to 1969. I started out at less that $100 a month. When I got out I was making $283.50 a month as an E-4 in electronics. Supporting Viet Nam I was up and working 24 and 48 hours quite a few times.....No overtime.
there is where the real lack of compensation comes from all those 12 to 24 hour shift's . when I enlisted in the 80's I was making a whole 600 bucks a month but once the irs got their cut and it was broken down to twice a month there wasn't much left.
loboloco
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Since Hohnson,the military has suffered under liberal presidents. Despite their campaign rhetoric about the men and women of the military each one,Johnso, Carter,Clinton and now Obama have quietly scuttled the quality of life for our military.
For those who will make the argumet that Reagan, Bush41 and Bush43 sent them into harms way,,,,,That is what the military is supposed to do. The least we can do is pay them well, provide properly for their familites, but most importantly, give them the tools to succeed.
We now have a President who has ordered,directly or indirectly, that those in the field must suffer one less warm meal a day because the GOP has allowed the sequestor. Any reasonable person knows that the GOP is unlikely to deny military personael or their families,the fair and proper sustenence to maintain rediness and moral.
We have seen too much of this brutal prejudice against the military by members of the liberal progressive movement. The same people who denounce war but are the first, anmd loudest, to say we have to send in troops to save the innocent. Yet Like Cindy Williams, theybegrudge our military men and women every benefit they get for their service.
Cindy William's definition of service to the nation is running a government burocrcy. Our military personel see service as living a promise to die if required so the rest of us can safety sleep, all warm cozy and fed each night.
For those who will make the argumet that Reagan, Bush41 and Bush43 sent them into harms way,,,,,That is what the military is supposed to do. The least we can do is pay them well, provide properly for their familites, but most importantly, give them the tools to succeed.
We now have a President who has ordered,directly or indirectly, that those in the field must suffer one less warm meal a day because the GOP has allowed the sequestor. Any reasonable person knows that the GOP is unlikely to deny military personael or their families,the fair and proper sustenence to maintain rediness and moral.
We have seen too much of this brutal prejudice against the military by members of the liberal progressive movement. The same people who denounce war but are the first, anmd loudest, to say we have to send in troops to save the innocent. Yet Like Cindy Williams, theybegrudge our military men and women every benefit they get for their service.
Cindy William's definition of service to the nation is running a government burocrcy. Our military personel see service as living a promise to die if required so the rest of us can safety sleep, all warm cozy and fed each night.
Well, let's see, the article referred to in the OP was written in 2000 and ya might oughta read it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33607-
The writer, Cindy Williams, was at the time, a senior research fellow at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and she was assistant director for national security in the Congressional Budget Office from 1994 to 1997.
So sorry, Fellas. Nope, Cindy Williams was NOT appointed by Obama as an Assistant Director for National Security in the Congressional Budget Office.....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33607-
The writer, Cindy Williams, was at the time, a senior research fellow at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and she was assistant director for national security in the Congressional Budget Office from 1994 to 1997.
So sorry, Fellas. Nope, Cindy Williams was NOT appointed by Obama as an Assistant Director for National Security in the Congressional Budget Office.....
Well, let's see, the article referred to in the OP was written in 2000 and ya might oughta read it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33607-
The writer, Cindy Williams, was at the time, a senior research fellow at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and she was assistant director for national security in the Congressional Budget Office from 1994 to 1997.
So sorry, Fellas. Nope, Cindy Williams was NOT appointed by Obama as an Assistant Director for National Security in the Congressional Budget Office.....
Which puts Cindy Williams article contemporary to the end of the Clinton Administration. About the time my son was laying in his New London Sub Base berth with two damged legs and significantly inadequate health care from the Navy. The result of eight years of military cutbacks.
All because the Clintons didn't respect the Military. The same hypocracy which exists today under the Obamas.
To my point, this has been, and continues to be, the mentalty of the left.
Read the article, Franc.
I read it long before it showed up here. Snopes worked backed in 2008 remember? This scam-mail circulated right after Barry was elected.
Kene might remember our discussions with a guy named Radmanly
Now I suggest your read what I wrote which doesn't claim Obama appointed Cindy Williams at all . It simply states that since President Johnson, our Presidents from the left have thrown the military into war and then under the bus.
All the while claiming to be champions of the troops.
Right now military families are suffering and any cuts in pay or benefits, including hot meals when in country in combat, are sensitive issues. The article is mis labeled and frankly is being used medaciously. But the underlying subject matter is dear to many hearts.
For those families which must support the injured warriors any discussion, which demeans or defunds them, is painfall.
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Kane
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We've learned recently that a guy with a GED, some military experience and a nack for IT can pull down $200K by age 29 ... in the quasi-private sector, doing basically the same gig as a cleared GI big in IT.
But I guess that doesn't include three squares a day and a cot full of sand.
But I guess that doesn't include three squares a day and a cot full of sand.
Well, let's see, the article referred to in the OP was written in 2000 and ya might oughta read it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33607-
The writer, Cindy Williams, was at the time, a senior research fellow at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and she was assistant director for national security in the Congressional Budget Office from 1994 to 1997.
So sorry, Fellas. Nope, Cindy Williams was NOT appointed by Obama as an Assistant Director for National Security in the Congressional Budget Office.....
Good article CG. Nice to see you posting again.
Franc, there is a strong chance CG's article is NOT the one you read previously.
No that was Cindy Williams original article published in 2000,
(Our GIs Earn Enough
By Cindy Williams
Wednesday, January 12, 2000; Page A19)
,,,,,long before she didn't work for Obama. It pissed me off then and later when the chaim mails came out blaming (incorrectly) President Elect Obama. It still does.
In 2000 my son was still suffering from injuries, about to become a civilian on a general discharge for medical reasons and listed with no disability. All because the Navy brass judged that he wouild eventualy heal. He did not.
The mood and moral of the military at that time was low for many reasons, not the least of which was pay. The feeling that Washinton didn't have their backs was very prevalent in the ranks.. The result of 8 years of the Clintons. The enlisted, and officers, openly joked about it at the base.
My son's case was not unusual back then. They fed him high doses of pain killers and when he didn't heal, they classed him unfit for duty just before he crossed 24 months and cashiered him out. Even his IT assignment to the Base Admiral Office where he was top notch, couldn't save his career. Or his Legs.
My son receives nothing from the Navy for his disabilities. My wife and I must pick up the costs and help support his family. Several attempts to appeal have failed to correct this problem. The Navy has abandoned him. Forturtunately, he has since been deemed 100% disabled by SS.
Yes, I have a dog in this hunt. Yes, I hold a bit of a grudge. But I know too many military and ex military personel who have these kind of stories to tell. Our leaders speak of taking care of the men and women who are injured while serving their country ,,,,but they don't. GOP and Democrats, both. And the Pentagon Brass aren't much better.
Wounded Warriors and other notable organizations are privately funded by donations. But my kid's injuries aren't counted because of the sleazy way he was discharged to meet budgets. Not exactly news in the long sordid history of how we treat our military.
I am glad CG is posting and that she pointed the misrepresentation out,
The connection to Obama was wrong, but I never claimed that. However, it was not relavent to my point.
As for Ms Williams article,,,I do not agree with you. It was statistcaly and factualy wrong and her comparisons were often unfair.
For instance, a firefighter in 2000 made significanltly more than an army grunt. I was one and no way did we face the hardships of military life. In the end we never really pay them for what they do. And now that the professionalism of our military is so much higher, we do not pay them fairly, even for their skill sets.
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In 1978 I was stationed in St Louis and went to hear a speech by Senator Dick Gephhardt. In that speech he made a Big Deal
out of the idea (he insisted on calling it a 'fact') that military pay was "comparable" to civilian pay for the same jobs. When
Q&A time came I got a chance to ask the following:
"Sir, I am an E-6 on active duty with the Coast Guard; my Basic Pay is $789.30 per month. My specialty is military pay
but like everyone I am trained for purely military work. This means that I can be called, at home, at midnight tonight and
told that my skills were needed elsewhere, to pack my seabag and report to the airport by 3:30 AM for a flight to Miami,
where I will board a cutter, be given an M16, and told I will be doing narcotics interdiction, beginning the next morning.
Unless I am willing to desert, abandoning family, career, and self-worth, I WILL do as ordered.
Now my question, or rather, request, is this. What is the amount of pay that a civilian payroll specialist receives for
this exact, same set of circumstances, including the midnight phone call and all that follows? Please find me this person
so that we may see if our pay really IS comparable!"
I gave his flunky (I'm sorry - I meant "aide", of course) both my personal and official addresses and phone numbers.
<sarcasm>
For some reason, the requested information never has arrived. Maybe they lost my contact data.
</sarcasm>
It just occurred to me, for the first time as I was typing this, that Dickie may have gotten even with me for making him
look silly (I got a standing ovation from about half the crowd). My next set of orders in 1979 was in fact to a cutter operating
in the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea, doing drug interdiction! Got there just in time for the 1980 Cuban Boat
Lift. That dime never dropped until this very moment.
out of the idea (he insisted on calling it a 'fact') that military pay was "comparable" to civilian pay for the same jobs. When
Q&A time came I got a chance to ask the following:
"Sir, I am an E-6 on active duty with the Coast Guard; my Basic Pay is $789.30 per month. My specialty is military pay
but like everyone I am trained for purely military work. This means that I can be called, at home, at midnight tonight and
told that my skills were needed elsewhere, to pack my seabag and report to the airport by 3:30 AM for a flight to Miami,
where I will board a cutter, be given an M16, and told I will be doing narcotics interdiction, beginning the next morning.
Unless I am willing to desert, abandoning family, career, and self-worth, I WILL do as ordered.
Now my question, or rather, request, is this. What is the amount of pay that a civilian payroll specialist receives for
this exact, same set of circumstances, including the midnight phone call and all that follows? Please find me this person
so that we may see if our pay really IS comparable!"
I gave his flunky (I'm sorry - I meant "aide", of course) both my personal and official addresses and phone numbers.
<sarcasm>
For some reason, the requested information never has arrived. Maybe they lost my contact data.
</sarcasm>
It just occurred to me, for the first time as I was typing this, that Dickie may have gotten even with me for making him
look silly (I got a standing ovation from about half the crowd). My next set of orders in 1979 was in fact to a cutter operating
in the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean Sea, doing drug interdiction! Got there just in time for the 1980 Cuban Boat
Lift. That dime never dropped until this very moment.
Dick Gephart was so sleazy, his St Louis Address was virtually a storage closet between tow small cottages in St Louis. It was a well known tongue in cheek joke to say he held a residence here. He never lived here in St Louis but instead had a lavish multi million dollar mansion, near DC.
Yet, come every election, he claimed to be a blue collar working stiff. He had no answer for you because no one in his party really cared.
Like I said, the left claims, in their rhetoric, to love the military, but they cannot seem to show it with action.
Yet, come every election, he claimed to be a blue collar working stiff. He had no answer for you because no one in his party really cared.
Like I said, the left claims, in their rhetoric, to love the military, but they cannot seem to show it with action.