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Default 1450 DMC ? part number help please.

I have a 6 cylinder Ford motor in this machine and would like to get a new set of points and condenser for it.
When I go to NAPA or AUTO ZONE ECT. they look at me like Dear in the headlights and say "We need a part number"

I really don't know for sure what to ask for.

I realize it's an industrial engine, a Ford but they say there are several different ones.

Any one have a part number for a set of points??
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Engine numbers in a search helped me on my bombi
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POINTS ???? What millennium u in bro ?
If it was mine I'd slam an electronic ignition in it and be done.
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Default Re: 1450 DMC ? part number help please.

http://pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor/default.aspx

Easy install. I put a set in a 53 Ford and it worked great.
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Default Re: 1450 DMC ? part number help please.

I have a Pertronix in my 1402 with a Wisconsin engine. I wouldn't bother trying to fix the old points distributor.
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Default Re: 1450 DMC ? part number help please.

Sure, you could go electronic ignition but where is the sense of adventure? Personally I like knowing I am doing it the way they would have been in the 70's and facing the same trials and perils. Besides, I like keeping my machines all original. Would you put electric ignition in an all original 500GT?

While I can't help you with the part numbers all I can suggest is to see what vehicles they put that ford block into and take it from there
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Sure, you could go electronic ignition but where is the sense of adventure? Personally I like knowing I am doing it the way they would have been in the 70's and facing the same trials and perils. Besides, I like keeping my machines all original. Would you put electric ignition in an all original 500GT?

While I can't help you with the part numbers all I can suggest is to see what vehicles they put that ford block into and take it from there.
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Sure, you could go electronic ignition but where is the sense of adventure? Personally I like knowing I am doing it the way they would have been in the 70's and facing the same trials and perils. Besides, I like keeping my machines all original. Would you put electric ignition in an all original 500GT?
YES. Although I am all about functionality vs original doorstop/paperweight genuinity
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YES. Although I am all about functionality vs original doorstop/paperweight genuinity
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Default Re: 1450 DMC ? part number help please.

While agree the electronic conversion is SOOOOOO nice. If you are still looking for a points set up: NAPA CS753 for Points; FA-82 Condensoer; FA-69 Cap; FA158 Rotor.
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the 1450 motor is basically 60s Mustang Motor (to what I was told) - when i rebuilt mine...
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Default Re: 1450 DMC ? part number help please.

Looks like I get to eat words here, anyone have the part number for the Pertronix electronic ignition for the 1404 v4 engine or the distributor type?

It is either cold or raining where I am and I don't want to keep using the carb ether spray to start the Imp up.
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Default Re: 1450 DMC ? part number help please.

For the v4 104ci in the 1975 1404 Imp it looks like the distributor is a Bosch 0-231-170-028. The earlier year engines that has the different ventilation (vacuum?) for the engine probably have a different distributor as it states somewhere else in these forums and alluded to in the Saab v4 service manual here:

http://www.vintagesaabmanuals.org/up...70-_150dpi.pdf

The Imp Manual states the ignition coil is a C0NF-12029-A (or maybe CONF-12029-A) but mine appears to be a D0PF-12029-B (or maybe a DOPF-12029-B) and appears to be original to the cat judging from the patina.

In any case it looks like the correct Pertronix electronic ignition parts can be found here:

Distributor ID 0-231-170-028 (Search Again)

Make Bosch Distributor # 0-231-170-028
Additional #s 72TF12100AKA
Cylinders 4
Ignitor 6V Negative Ground 1847VN6
Ignitor 12V Negative Ground 1847V
Ignitor 24V Negative Ground
Ignitor 6V Positive Ground
Ignitor 12V Positive Ground
Ignitor 2 91847V
Ignitor 3
Coil Application Chart



I am thinking to go with the Ignitor II version and corresponding coil. I believe they state something about not using solid core spark plug wires with this but I am waiting to hear back from their tech support in regards to what all I need. Will post back what they say.

One question I am left with is if there are anything I should be concerned about from increasing the voltage to plugs from ~20,000 to 45,000 volts?
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Default Re: 1450 DMC ? part number help please.

Spark voltage is a function of the combination of the spark plug gap and distributor rotor gap. The coil rating is what the coil secondary is capable of generating. Too big a plug gap will raise the voltage to a higher level and break down the plug wires and coil components more rapidly. High compression engines also need a higher voltage due to the denser air in the cylinder at ignition. I don't think we have that problem.
The old GM high energy ignition system on the Olds 455 (coil in the distributor cap) was capable of 65,000 volts and used a .060 plug gap. The problem was the big spark gap and high compression caused a lot of coil failures. Most people run .040 on the plugs these days.
The Pertronix distributor and mating coil should be fine on a Ford industrial engine.
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