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Reparations

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WASHINGTON (AP) - The debate over reparations for descendants of slaves catapulted from the campaign trail to Congress on Wednesday with an impassioned plea from actor Danny Glover and others for lawmakers to address compensation for America's blighted heritage of racism and Jim Crow laws.

Glover, who told a House Judiciary panel that his great-grandfather was enslaved, called a national reparations policy "a moral, democratic and economic imperative."

It was Congress' first hearing in a decade on the topic and comes amid a growing discussion in the Democratic Party on reparations and sets up a potential standoff with Republicans. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell opposes the idea.

"This hearing is yet another important step in the long and historic struggle of African Americans to secure reparations for the damage that has been inflicted by slavery and Jim Crow," Glover told the panel.

Writer Ta-Nehisi Coates, who drew new attention to the issue with his 2014 essay, "The Case for Reparations," told the panel "it's impossible to imagine America without the inheritance of slavery."

Sen. Cory Booker , D-N.J., a presidential contender, testified that U.S has "yet to truly acknowledge and grapple with the racism and white supremacy that tainted this country's founding and continues to cause persistent and deep racial disparities and inequality."

But another writer, Coleman Hughes, who at times testified over boos from the audience, said black people don't need "another apology," but safer neighborhoods, better schools, a less punitive criminal justice system and better health care.

"None of these things can be achieved through reparations for slavery," said Hughes, who says he is the descendant of blacks enslaved at Thomas Jefferson's Monticello.

The legislation, which would set up a bipartisan commission to study the issue, spotlights a national conversation over the legacy of slavery. Several of the party's presidential candidates have endorsed looking at the idea, though they have stopped short of endorsing direct payouts for African Americans.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer on Wednesday called reparations a "serious issue" and said he expects the resolution will see a vote in the House.

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas, who became the sponsor of a measure to study reparations after the retirement of Democratic Rep. John Conyers, said to the packed hearing room, "I just simply ask: Why not and why not now?"

But McConnell opposes reparations, telling reporters Tuesday he doesn't want reparations for "something that happened 150 years ago."

"We've tried to deal with the original sin of slavery by passing civil rights legislation," McConnell said, and electing an African American president, Barack Obama.

"It would be hard to figure out who to compensate" for slavery, the Kentucky Republican said, and added: "No one currently alive was responsible for that."

While reparations has been moving toward the mainstream of the Democratic Party, the idea remains far from widely accepted, both among Democrats and the public at large.

In a Point Taken-Marist poll conducted in 2016, 68 percent of Americans said the country should not pay cash reparations to African American descendants of slaves to make up for the harm caused by slavery and racial discrimination. About 8 in 10 white Americans said they were opposed to reparations, while about 6 in 10 black Americans said they were in favor.

Rep. Mike Johnson of Louisiana, the top Republican on the panel, said he respects the beliefs of those who support reparations. He called America's history with slavery "regrettable and shameful."

But he said paying monetary reparations for the "sins of a small subset of Americans from many generations ago" would be unfair, difficult to carry out in practice and, in his view, likely unconstitutional.

Top Democrats pushed back Wednesday on McConnell's comments, with one calling his remarks "sad."

Rep. Kathleen Clark, D-Mass., a member of the leadership team, said the country's history of slavery is a "stigma and a stain" that continues to be felt today. That McConnell wants to "write that off," she said, is ignoring the impact and legacy of the country's history.

"We cannot look to him for any sort of moral authority or guidance on how we should be addressing the issues of slavery and the impact today on income inequality, curtailing opportunity and civil rights and voting rights," she said.

Republicans invited Hughes and also Burgess Owens, a former Oakland Raiders football player and Super Bowl champion, who recently wrote a Wall Street Journal editorial eschewing reparations.

The debate over reparations for black Americans began not long after the end of the Civil War.

A resolution to study reparations was first proposed in 1989 by Conyers of Michigan, who put it forward year after year.

Visitors lined up Wednesday to attend the hearing. Abibat Rahman-Davies, 20, from Southern California, said she was waiting more than two hours.

"I think that this has been a part of history that we've ignored for too long so it's very important for me to be here and to see this part recognized," she said.

The hearing Wednesday coincided with Juneteenth, a cultural holiday commemorating the emancipation of enslaved black people in the United States.

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Seems to me this is a democrat attempt to get the black community back in line and voting for them only.

I disagree with reparations. Who should get it? Anyone who is black? Irish were the first 'indentured servants' aka slaves. Forced to come to America and work for whoever bought them. And what about the Indians? Reparations is a road to nowhere. Give them all $100 dollars would that make them happy? No. They'd want more and sue. I do not think this could turn into a win no matter how it is handled. Even bringing it up is a huge mistake and will divide our country even more. But ....that is the goal of the democrats isn't it. :pat:
 

m1west

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Seems to me this is a democrat attempt to get the black community back in line and voting for them only.

I disagree with reparations. Who should get it? Anyone who is black? Irish were the first 'indentured servants' aka slaves. Forced to come to America and work for whoever bought them. And what about the Indians? Reparations is a road to nowhere. Give them all $100 dollars would that make them happy? No. They'd want more and sue. I do not think this could turn into a win no matter how it is handled. Even bringing it up is a huge mistake and will divide our country even more. But ....that is the goal of the democrats isn't it. :pat:

Why stop there, shouldn't Jews get reparations from both Egypt, Italy and Germany? At one time or another every race has been a slave. Get over it. Right now with the taxes I paid last year( 28% fed, 15% state, 10% sales tax and $10,000.00 in property tax) while my money is taken and re distributed to the people we are talking about. What am I ?
 

tiredretired

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All the former slaves are dead. All the former slave masters are dead. No shit, huh?

They are not getting a single dime of my money. They can all kiss my honkie ass.

:laugh3::laugh3::laugh3::laugh3::laugh3::laugh3::laugh3::laugh3:
 

FrancSevin

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Why stop there, shouldn't Jews get reparations from both Egypt, Italy and Germany? At one time or another every race has been a slave. Get over it. Right now with the taxes I paid last year( 28% fed, 15% state, 10% sales tax and $10,000.00 in property tax) while my money is taken and re distributed to the people we are talking about. What am I ?


My ancestor family lost their land twice to the USA Government.
Once from the land of Kentuck where they were force marched Bataan style to the land where the grass grows and promised it would be theirs as long as the grass grew.

Today one can easily find grass growing in Oklahoma. But the Cherokee Nations no longer own it.

Why are my people not included?

Somehow the idea of people where were never slaves getting paid reparations by people who were never slave owners seems unfair to both. One gets something they did not earn and the other gets a bill for something they did not receive. All from a promise by the Democratic party that has stolen from and abused both.
 

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Nicely covered here: http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2019/06/13/reparations-for-slavery/

Saturday, March 4, 1865: “Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.”

The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates:
Battle deaths: 110,070
Disease, etc.: 250,152
Total 360,222


The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses:
Battle deaths: 94,000
Disease, etc.: 164,000
Total 258,000


Four years of civil war changed all that forever. In 1865 the national debt stood at $2.7 billion. Just the annual interest on that debt was more than twice our entire national budget in 1860. In fact, that Civil War debt is almost twice what the federal government spent before 1860.


Seems like a lot of people already paid a big price for the end of slavery.
 

rugerman

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To me it’s a nothing issue, as said before all the former slaves and slave owners are dead, but I contend that at any given time we all have been slaves to something, I slaved to get tru college, slaved to payoff my student loans, slaved to hold a job to keep a place to live and food to eat.
Where would Danny Glover and his ancestors be if they were not at one time brought to this country as slaves, , would their lives be better back in their home country or would some tribal chief have them under his thumb, or they might just be lion food. Without slavery bringing them to this country a lot would have missed some great opportunities to prosper in this country, sure it wasn’t all sunshine and roses, but whose life is. Some folks prosper, some folks live on welfare, it’s what you make of yourself, buy the way how good are options to prosper in their home countries. To me it just looks like another give me free stuff crowd pipe dream.
 

tinbender

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Well while we are at it and giving money to everyone that has suffered because of race in some manner, we should probably include all the Union soldiers that fought in the civil war. Lots of them died and suffered as well for the "slaves" .All of their descendents should get money too? Lets just give everyone money!! IT must be growing on trees somewhere. Get over it America. OR you can leave.
 

300 H and H

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I will relate this to a story from a person who did off shore and international oil well drilling. His crew was assigned to go to Africa and drill for several months. The one black man on the crew was so excited, he told everyone how much he anticipated getting to see his "home land". A year later this same man, drinking at a bar, more of a shack than what we think of as a "bar" This was Africa after all.. He made a toast to the people who enslaved his great grand parents.. for taking them out of this God forsaken sh1t whole and being taken to America, were he was born!!!

Regards, Kirk
 

leadarrows

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Slavery had been practiced in British America from early colonial days and was legal in all Thirteen Colonies at the time of the Declaration of Independence in 1776. It lasted in about half the states until 1865 when it was prohibited nationally by the Thirteenth Amendment. While most of the world participated in slavery for centuries America realized it was wrong and ended it only 89 years after we began to live under our own laws. That is the shortest time any country allowed slavery in man kinds history. Yet somehow we "Own" slavery. We never even hear about slavery in other parts of the globe. It's ridiculous. Everyone knows it is about fleecing America, not slavery.
 

tiredretired

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Concentration Camps, reparations, collusion, impeachment, Confederate Statues, late term abortion. This is all just perfect. While Trump makes America Great Again, our 401k's are through the roof.

As long as the DumpsterCrats keep focusing on the silly shit, Trump will slide right back into the White House for FOUR MORE YEARS!!

:Trump2::ThumbsUp:
 
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