Glenn Beck last Night

[fogtender]

I like Glenn Beck but don't watch him that much other than bits and pieces, last night was the first time I watched the entire show.

He was going over the politicions that lied from Nixon to Obama.

Obama had claimed that he hadn't dealt with ACORN for some 13 years before he was elected President. A new video of him bragging of his interaction with ACORN as a Senator was just "Found", in it he is really sticking his foot in his mouth and removes all doubt that he is a plain liar, nothing less IMO.

Any comments?

YouTube- Oh Me - Oh My... Obama Caught in a Major...

[Doc]

When I was younger I barely followed politics, however I do believe all of our presidents have lied. The top 3 biggest liars to the best of my recollection are IMHO: Obama, G W Bush & Nixon

[muleman]

Watched the show and had seen the video before. He is no different than all the others Beck highlighted. It is the norm anymore for them all to lie as the situation changes.

[fogtender]

Originally Posted by Doc

When I was younger I barely followed politics, however I do believe all of our presidents have lied. The top 3 biggest liars to the best of my recollection are IMHO: Obama, G W Bush & Nixon

I don't know about GW, I wasn't really happy that we went into Iraq, but the info that he was passing on though Powel was know to all the different inteligence comunities of other counrties. WE did have a host of reasons to invade Iraq, many were UN mandates that Sadam thumbed his nose at, but most people didn't pay attention to those little details, just the chant "Bush Lied", which were based on opinions, not fact.

But as a flat out "Lie", don't really know of anything that was proven other than hearsay from Bush. Was he eithical? Time will tell on that as well.

[Doc]

I can't argue with that foggy. It is my impression that G. W. was looking for a reason and worked until he got something he felt he could act on. Charlie Wilson was used, and has said that his report to the G. W. administration was not what G. W. and Cheney and Powell reported to the public and the UN. I feel Powell resigned because of the back handed way G. W. handled the whole situation (technically Powell did not resign but didn't stay on for the 2nd term). I understand it has not been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, but none the less, in my heart I believe he lied boldface to us all. JMHO for what it's worth.

[fogtender]

Originally Posted by Doc

I can't argue with that foggy. It is my impression that G. W. was looking for a reason and worked until he got something he felt he could act on. Charlie Wilson was used, and has said that his report to the G. W. administration was not what G. W. and Cheney and Powell reported to the public and the UN. I feel Powell resigned because of the back handed way G. W. handled the whole situation (technically Powell did not resign but didn't stay on for the 2nd term). I understand it has not been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt, but none the less, in my heart I believe he lied boldface to us all. JMHO for what it's worth.

Well the fact that Saddam tried to kill his dad while in Kuwait, was a good start for a reason..

Maybe so, it will be hashed and rehashed over time and I would assume there will be a resolution to it and he will either be quartered and drawn over it or be a hero.

I think even Saddam thought he was close to a Nuke though, he was dumping money into the program and nobody wanted to tell him anything that wasn't positive or they would get thrown into a plastic grinder. Not a guy you wanted to say anything that he didn't want to hear.

The fact that Iraq has almost become a "Normal" country now will be credited to GW in the long run, unless of course it goes back into full anarchy in the future.

A friend just got back from there for the third rotation. He is retiring now, but said the first time it was shooting and explosions daily, the second tour was occasional shooting and bombings, and the third was totally boring and lots of paperwork. So their may be hope.

I just heard that the Iraqi Government is going to take three zeros off the Iraqi Denar to bring the value internationally up. Which is a good sign that things are getting better!

[fogtender]

Kinda funny that people take Obama at his word about his birth Certificate, having one issued in 2007 and being touted as proof for a guy that has, at his fingertips, the buttons to end life as we know it on the planet.

I think it would be a good sign of redemption that he show his original birth certificate, and end that issue instead of producing something that could be faked by a person in Hawaii's Records office.

No doubt he is an American citizen, but American Born part hasn't been proved/met to the same standards that one gets when they murder someone. And his job requires that he was born here.

[joec]

Originally Posted by fogtender

I don't know about GW, I wasn't really happy that we went into Iraq, but the info that he was passing on though Powel was know to all the different inteligence comunities of other counrties. WE did have a host of reasons to invade Iraq, many were UN mandates that Sadam thumbed his nose at, but most people didn't pay attention to those little details, just the chant "Bush Lied", which were based on opinions, not fact.

But as a flat out "Lie", don't really know of anything that was proven other than hearsay from Bush. Was he eithical? Time will tell on that as well.

Now this will shock you I didn't think Bush lied as to his reason for going into Iraq, just felt it was the wrong time is all. I think he got the information he was given from our intelligence agency's as well as many others around the world. Now did Chaney cherry pick it with the CIA we won't know for sure until he and most of us are long gone but I will even give him the benefit of the doubt.

[fogtender]

Originally Posted by joec

Now this will shock you I didn't think Bush lied as to his reason for going into Iraq, just felt it was the wrong time is all. I think he got the information he was given from our intelligence agency's as well as many others around the world. Now did Chaney cherry pick it with the CIA we won't know for sure until he and most of us are long gone but I will even give him the benefit of the doubt.

That is cool... Time will tell if he was or not.

[Melensdad]

Originally Posted by joec

Now this will shock you I didn't think Bush lied as to his reason for going into Iraq, just felt it was the wrong time is all. I think he got the information he was given from our intelligence agency's as well as many others around the world.

Exactly what many of us conservatives felt/feel. Bush wasn't a liar. He was just wrong for choosing to go into Iraq at the time.

[muleman]

At least he did not waffle like Carter did with Iran. If he would have taken out Tehran this shit would never have gone on. That single non action emboldened the Muslims and it has gone to hell ever since.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by muleman

At least he did not waffle like Carter did with Iran. If he would have taken out Tehran this shit would never have gone on. That single non action emboldened the Muslims and it has gone to hell ever since.

A very good point MM. I had not considered that but I suspect you are right.

[mak2]

Originally Posted by B_Skurka

Exactly what many of us conservatives felt/feel. Bush wasn't a liar. He was just wrong for choosing to go into Iraq at the time.

A couple days ago I was riding a spinner (stationary bike) at the Y. I love reading archaeology today (?) I think is the mag. I found one on the rack i had not read and started reading. The second story I got to was horrible. I could not read it all because it just brought tears to your eyes. It was about archeologist that excavated a mass burial site of Kurds Sadam had killed. Literally hundreds of women and children. They found mothers huddling over the children. The adults averaged something like 8 bullet holes apiece and the kids half that. I really though GWB wanted to go to Iraq for buisness reasons and then did not have the nads to finish the job. After reading this story I really dont care why he went. The world is a much better place with Saddam dead. We were wrong for not going to Iraq sooner.

[muleman]

Not to mention the nasty stuff he turned loose on his own Kurds and the Iranians. He used stuff that was banned before WW2 because that was all his technology would give him at the time.

[joec]

Most of which the US supplied to fight Iran.

[grizzer]

Obama is cold and aloof. Before during and after. The lack of MSM investigations into this guy is disturbing.

Bill Clinton caught in a lie is still friendly. Big girls need lovin too! When he was forced to a 5 yr cap on welfare the blacks still like him!

GWB seemed to be generally honest from the oil patch, baseball, governorship & WH. The MSM demonized him and seemed to me a lot of people did not look beyond the media.

[Big Dog]

Originally Posted by joec

Most of which the US supplied to fight Iran.

Your point? Fact remains he used it on his own people including women and children, doesn't matter where he got it. If he didn't get it from the US he would have gotten it somewhere. SO what point are you trying to make by identifying its origin other than to slam the US?

[joec]

No I was simply stating a fact that he got is chemical weapons from us to use on Iran. He later turned them on the Kurds but my point was we shouldn't have sold him them in the first place. First the weapons where illegal according to international laws which we the US signed in treaty. Now I'm not pointing a finger at any administration at all because I don't know which administration was in power when he got them. I also doubt that it was an administration decision but more low level such as one of the many security departments in the government.

[Doc]

I read joe's comment and didn't take it as a slam but as a fact of how things can change around rather quickly.

Still we are getting away from the OP thought about our President's lying to us. And I have to take a big part of that blame for bringing up G.W. Sorry.

I suspect all know that our presidents lie to us, the difference is the magnitude of the lie. All make campaign promises that they do not end up keeping, but usually try to word their promises so that they can wiggle out of them. President Obama appears to have been caught in more bold face lies, or misstatements than any president I can think of in recent history. I suppose with the internet and facebook it's easier to check facts and catch them but that is something each candidate must be aware of.

[brazospete]

Would it be easier to find a president that Didn't Lie?