Conservative vs. Liberal

Bamby · Oct 5, 2009

Herein lies the main problems with Liberals:

* If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn`t buy one.
* If a liberal doesn't like guns, he feels that no one should have one.

* If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat.
* If a liberal is, he wants to ban all meat products for everyone.

* If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
* A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

* If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
* If a liberal is homosexual, he loudly demands legislated respect.

* If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
* Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

* If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
* A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

* If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
* Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

* If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
* A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God or religion silenced.

* If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
* A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his

muleman · Oct 5, 2009

Very telling post. Thanks

mak2 · Oct 5, 2009

let me ask you guys something. How can you just catagorize yourself conservative or liberal? There are hundreds or thousands of issues out there how can you even decide what you are? For example I am antiabortion, and anti death penalty, for the same reason. I think guns safety should be taught in high school and sex ed. I think we should have an invincible, kick ass military but I have a problem with the wars we are in. i can go on and on. I have a problem with banning smoking and forcing us to wear seatbelts. I used to be a big capitalist but I do not believe capitalism alwasy works. For example it does not work if people cannot refuse to buy, like healthcare.
It often seems to me saying you are conservative or liberal relives you of thinking. Look at each issue and decide how you feel about it. Dont ask Rush or the loony left. How to you think about it?

mtntopper · Oct 5, 2009

mak2 said:
let me ask you guys something. How can you just catagorize yourself conservative or liberal? There are hundreds or thousands of issues out there how can you even decide what you are? For example I am antiabortion, and anti death penalty, for the same reason. I think guns safety should be taught in high school and sex ed. I think we should have an invincible, kick ass military but I have a problem with the wars we are in. i can go on and on. I have a problem with banning smoking and forcing us to wear seatbelts. I used to be a big capitalist but I do not believe capitalism alwasy works. For example it does not work if people cannot refuse to buy, like healthcare.
It often seems to me saying you are conservative or liberal relives you of thinking. Look at each issue and decide how you feel about it. Dont ask Rush or the loony left. How to you think about it?

Oh, mak2 you have it all wrong!!! You are saying I must analyze, study and read about issues on my own while using my better judgment, conscience as my guide to decisions and not just follow some popular analogy that others do.....

Now, I know I was doing it all wrong..... :glare:

Melensdad · Oct 5, 2009

Strikes me that we can generalize about ourselves very easily based on our personal value sets. That said it does not mean that a "conservative" has to agree with EVERY SINGLE IOTA of every single thing that occurs in the name of conservatism. For example, George Bush (either of them) was not a conservative on many issues. The war in Iraq was (and is) opposed by many real conservatives.

Similar things can be said about liberals and Bill Clinton. There are many things that President Clinton did that were not overtly liberal but generally he was a liberal President.

So while some wax eloquent about how the "other" side is wrong, its all degrees of right/wrong within some individual view of the context of liberalism/conservatism.

JEV · Oct 5, 2009

mak2 said:
let me ask you guys something. How can you just catagorize yourself conservative or liberal?

How can anyone not stand for something? What is a person if they do not embrace a belief system?

benspawpaw · Oct 5, 2009

you gotta stand for something or youll fall for anythang

mak2 · Oct 5, 2009

JEV said:
How can anyone not stand for something? What is a person if they do not embrace a belief system?

Is there one single issue you dont agree with the Conservatives on?

I am a Christian but I dont believe every single thing my preacher believes.

mak2 · Oct 5, 2009

benspawpaw said:
you gotta stand for something or youll fall for anythang

Kinda my point.

pirate_girl · Oct 5, 2009

mak2 said:
let me ask you guys something. How can you just catagorize yourself conservative or liberal? There are hundreds or thousands of issues out there how can you even decide what you are? For example I am antiabortion, and anti death penalty, for the same reason. I think guns safety should be taught in high school and sex ed. I think we should have an invincible, kick ass military but I have a problem with the wars we are in. i can go on and on. I have a problem with banning smoking and forcing us to wear seatbelts. I used to be a big capitalist but I do not believe capitalism alwasy works. For example it does not work if people cannot refuse to buy, like healthcare.
It often seems to me saying you are conservative or liberal relives you of thinking. Look at each issue and decide how you feel about it. Dont ask Rush or the loony left. How to you think about it?

Bahh!

I categorize myself as a conservative libertarian with an open mind, who sits on the fence most of the time, holding on and hoping I don't lose my sense of direction in these times.
How's that?

JEV · Oct 5, 2009

mak2 said:
I used to be a big capitalist but I do not believe capitalism alwasy works. For example it does not work if people cannot refuse to buy, like healthcare.

People's choice to purchase or not purchase something is how capitalism works. Nobody is forced to purchase anything under capitalism, and there are multiple choices for buyers to choose from, often at different price points. When speaking of ObamaCare, you are looking at totalitarianism with a splash of socialism thrown in. Look at the following definitions and see if you can make sense of the differences. You decide which system would be more acceptable to your personal philosophies.

From Wikipedia:
Capitalism typically refers to an economic and social system in which the means of production (also known as capital) are privately controlled; labor, goods and capital are traded in a market; profits are distributed to owners or invested in new technologies and industries; and wages are paid to labor.
Capitalism is based on the premises of laissez faire, where private individuals are free to exchange goods or services without intervention from the State, hence the term “free market.”

Totalitarianism (or totalitarian rule) is a political system where the state recognizes no limits to its authority and strives to regulate every aspect of public and private life wherever feasible.[2] Totalitarianism is generally characterized by the coincidence of authoritarianism (i.e., where ordinary citizens have no significant share in state decision-making) and ideology (i.e., a pervasive scheme of values promulgated by institutional means to direct the most significant aspects of public and private life)[3].
Totalitarian regimes or movements maintain themselves in political power by means of an official all-embracing ideology and propaganda disseminated through the state-controlled mass media, a single party that controls the state, personality cults, control over the economy, regulation and restriction of free discussion and criticism, the use of mass surveillance, and widespread use of state terrorism.

I chose to use totalitarianism vs socialism when looking at the opposite of capitalism, because it more clearly defines the system which the current administration is striving for. The "single payer system" promoted by BHO eliminates any competition for health insurance, and forces the entire population into a single, government controlled health care system, hence, totalitarian rule.

Just for clarity, here is the definition of socialism to compare:

Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.[1][2][3]
Most socialists share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through exploitation, creates an unequal society, does not provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potentialities and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public.

IMO, socialism is nothing but a lie. It tells you that without the intervention of the state, that you are not smart enough maximize your potential. It demeans the individual, and groups you with everyone else who is dependent upon the state.

JEV · Oct 5, 2009

pirate_girl said:
Bahh!
I categorize myself as a conservative libertarian with an open mind, who sits on the fence most of the time, holding on and hoping I don't lose my sense of direction in these times.
How's that?

If you sit on the fence, can you claim citizenship to either property that the fence divides, or do you even want to be a citizen of either? If you distance yourself from both lands, why waste the effort to play the balancing act? BTW, who owns the fence?

benspawpaw said it well.

pirate_girl · Oct 5, 2009

JEV said:
If you sit on the fence, can you claim citizenship to either property that the fence divides, or do you even want to be a citizen of either? If you distance yourself from both lands, why waste the effort to play the balancing act? BTW, who owns the fence?

'Splain, Lucy..
Oh wait... I own the fence.. right? :wink:

muleman · Oct 5, 2009

I would like to get along with the liberals if they would not try to run my life with excess government rules and mandates. I don't try to impose my views on them and strongly resent them trying to impose theirs on me. I am totally against redistribution of wealth and bailing out fools who made bad choices in their finances. Companies and folks that made these decisions should be made to bear the results not bailed out with my money because they were stupid and greedy. JMO

JEV · Oct 5, 2009

pirate_girl said:
'Splain, Lucy..
Oh wait... I own the fence.. right?

Wrong, Someone else owns the fence, and it divides two parcels with separate ownership (conservative & liberal in this case). It's your choice to "ride the fence," because it's apparent you don't have enough affection/love/respect/trust for either owner to come down off the fence and reside on one side or the other. This is why you are perched up there. If you cannot face residing in either camp, it might be better to get off the fence and go elsewhere looking for a place that you feel the love enough to call home (personal philosophy).

Did I explain that ok?

pirate_girl · Oct 5, 2009

JEV said:
Wrong, Someone else owns the fence, and it divides two parcels with separate ownership (conservative & liberal in this case). It's your choice to "ride the fence," because it's apparent you don't have enough affection/love/respect/trust for either owner to come down off the fence and reside on one side or the other. This is why you are perched up there. If you cannot face residing in either camp, it might be better to get off the fence and go elsewhere looking for a place that you feel the love enough to call home (personal philosophy).

Did I explain that ok?

Course you did, but you missed my point entirely.
Oh well... :whistling:

Bobcat · Oct 5, 2009

Come on over to my yard, sweet cheeks. I have no fences.

JEV · Oct 5, 2009

pirate_girl said:
Course you did, but you missed my point entirely.
Oh well...

You're correct. I'm expending so much effort trying to be Mr Nice Guy so someone does not step on my Johnson (again), that I failed to find the humor.

pirate_girl · Oct 5, 2009

Bobcat said:
Come on over to my yard, sweet cheeks. I have no fences.

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