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Why I like WHOLE FOODS ... even if I hate their prices

Melensdad

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The CEO/Founder of WHOLE FOODS used to love socialism. Then he started a business.

Now he is a rabid defender of free market style capitalism and can calmly and rationally debate why free market capitalism is actually best for humans and how it most closely aligns with human nature.

Now that all said, I leave the local WHOLE FOODS market with an empty wallet and I'm usually muttering under my breath about the high prices whenever I go there... which is not often. I like their selection of premium goods and their unusual foods. I really bitch about their prices. But at least I know when I go there that I'm not supporting some liberal do-gooder who is using profits generated from my hard earned dollars to destroy my way of life.

http://opportunitylives.com/whole-foods-ceo-drops-the-mic-on-why-socialism-will-never-work/

The article is interesting, its a combination of a story about how he debated a Marxist leaning professor from YALE and about his views as a free market capitalist who believes that capitalist companies can do good and make the world a better place.

...Mackey is by no means a miserly and tight-fisted capitalist. Mackey’s book, “Conscious Capitalism,” advocates a values- and ethics-based capitalistic system. He says as a young man, he had socialistic leanings but only after starting Whole Foods did he realize that a truly altruistic society is one that creates a long-term, sustainable system for maximizing human happiness through voluntary exchange.

“I’m an idealist in terms of what’s possible,” Mackey said. “I want to make the world a better place. But you have to do that in a sort of pragmatic fashion. Not a utopian transformation, there’s not going to be a new human being that’s going to pop up that human nature ceases to exist and that’s been the myth of the socialistic man, that they can change human nature...
 

pirate_girl

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I've shopped there twice, and both times walked out with all this stuff I didn't need. :whistling:
Like you Bob, it was mostly because of their unusual foods and all things packaged so lovely and different.



Oh look! Thai snapper is on sale for $7.99/lb
lol
 

bczoom

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Can't add other than to say I've heard of them. Have read same experiences as Bob (kind of expensive but worth it).

I'm just happy we have any grocery store within a 20 minute drive.
 

pixie

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Have you been to a Trader Joe's ?

Not quite as upscale or large but the prices are very good and the products are interesting.

I go there to get good imported cheese cheap and good chocolate.
 

Melensdad

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Have you been to a Trader Joe's ?

Not quite as upscale or large but the prices are very good and the products are interesting.

I go there to get good imported cheese cheap and good chocolate.

Yup, but we don't have one close to us.

When we visit Melen at college we stop at the one by her campus. I think there is one about an hour away from our home and across the state line where they charge sales tax on food, not traveling that far to get groceries, especially if I have to pay sales tax. We have a Whole Foods about 30 minutes away.
 

XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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Still tons of lefties running the show at WFM. I designed some of the software they use. Nothing special at the end of the day. Just a business with a trendy brand that appeals to the same elitists that love Apple products. Oooops sorry Bob. ;)
 

jpr62902

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Have you been to a Trader Joe's ?

Not quite as upscale or large but the prices are very good and the products are interesting.

I go there to get good imported cheese cheap and good chocolate.

And the 2 Buck Chuck ain't bad, either! :thumb:

Still tons of lefties running the show at WFM. I designed some of the software they use. Nothing special at the end of the day. Just a business with a trendy brand that appeals to the same elitists that love Apple products. Oooops sorry Bob. ;)

I went in there once (once) and the place was overrun with pasty white, skinny jean wearing, bearded hipsters. The men were worse than that. I left immediately.
 

Bamby

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I've read to many articles as to they utilize deceptive and misleading labeling to sell consumers market comparable products at upscale pricing.

The Whole Foods deception: Grocery chain uses fraudulent marketing to sell health conscious consumers contaminated food

Sunday, August 14, 2016

Millions of Americans seeking organic foods free of toxins regularly shop at Whole Foods grocery stores believing that they are buying the cleanest food available from a national chain. But in reality, says Natural News editor and founder Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, and author of the new book, Food Forensics, the fact is that Whole Foods' use of fraudulent marketing helps the chain sell contaminated foods at inflated prices.

"Many people have the completely wrong impression of what Whole Foods sells," says Adams, in a just-released video interview. "They think Whole Foods sells products that are entirely non-GMO, products that are clean, that don't have heavy metals, that don't have pesticides, that don't have glyphosate or herbicides. ... That is completely false."

In fact, Adams says, the chain does indeed sell foods marketed as clean and GMO-free, but which contain heavy metal contaminants, GMO ingredients, pesticides and other toxins.

Adams notes that the company has created a false impression where many of their customers don't realize that they sell foods containing harmful chemicals, GMOs and the like, adding that much of the Whole Foods marketing is "fraudulent ... greenwashing."

Continued Here:

Whole Foods goes ROGUE... partners with Monsanto to kill GMO labeling across America and replace with fake labeling deception... SENATE VOTE PLANNED AS EARLY AS TOMORROW

Wednesday, June 29, 2016

IMPORTANT UPDATE: Whole Foods was just caught blatantly LYING about everything covered in this article. CEO Walter Robb has been captured on video admitting total support for Monsanto-engineered GMO fake labeling law that kills Vermont GMO labeling bill. Whole Foods takes to social media to LIE to everyone, denying everything, even while Robb is captured on video... click here for the breaking news report on Whole Foods CAUGHT LYING.

According to breaking news reports, Whole Foods Market (WFM) has gone full rogue, partnering with Monsanto to kill GMO labeling across America under the guise of a new, fraudulent "GMO labeling compromise" in the U.S. Senate that's actually a fake labeling law requiring no clear labeling of GMOs whatsoever.

Food Democracy Now has issued this red alert, naming the sellout corporations (including Whole Foods) that have betrayed health-conscious consumers with a sellout deal that outlaws GMO labeling nationwide.

The deception on food labeling has never been greater. With this act of ultimate betrayal, Whole Foods cements its position as a poison-pushing distribution partner of Monsanto, the world's most evil corporation that produces poisonous, deadly crops laced with bt toxin and glyphosate, a cancer-linked herbicide.

With this betrayal of consumers, Whole Foods might as well now be called, "POISON FOODS" because that's what they're pushing.

Click here for the Food Democracy Now petition page to take action now.

What follows is the full text of the Food Democracy Now announcement:

Follow Story Here
 

waybomb

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My perspective, being in the food business and rcvg every recall notice there is - if anybody has more food recalled than WFM, I'd like to know who. Because WFM comes up more than any other company.
 

MrLiberty

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Never shopped at WFM, or Trader Joe's, I have enough family and friends who have gardens and during the summer I get fresh produce from them, (note I live in a small apartment,) When I do need produce I go to a family owned produce market in the neighborhood, or Kroger's.

I've become quite the cynic when it comes to all the hype about what is and what isn't organic. I have found that most of the organic produce is on the small side and isn't worth the price. Give me home grown any time.
 

tiredretired

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All my veggies in my garden get a healthy dose of MiracleGro once a week. Everything grows big and healthy. Been doing it for years and I am still alive.

The only thing organic in my garden is the weeds. :yum::yum:
 

Melensdad

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Never shopped at WFM, or Trader Joe's, I have enough family and friends who have gardens and during the summer I get fresh produce from them, (note I live in a small apartment,) When I do need produce I go to a family owned produce market in the neighborhood, or Kroger's.

I've become quite the cynic when it comes to all the hype about what is and what isn't organic. I have found that most of the organic produce is on the small side and isn't worth the price. Give me home grown any time.

Honestly I don't really care too much about organic or not. I prefer good. I'll pick good if it is organic. I'll pick good if it is not organic.

There is a lot more to Whole Foods than organic stuff.

But I do still enjoy the odd trip to Whole Foods for some of their premium offerings and for lots of oddball offerings that are unavailable anywhere else that I shop. Some of their meat is spectacularly great. Some of their cheeses (yes, I am a sufferer of lactose intolerance but I do occasionally indulge anyway) are amazing, and again, they offer some meats & some cheeses that I cannot find anywhere else short of driving up to Chicago and paying even higher prices + fuel costs + parking.

So the occasional trip to Whole Foods, for me, is worth the high price. I don't make a habit of it. And I like the fact that the boss supports capitalism as a way of improving the world.
 

Catavenger

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I had never been to Whole Foods but was just there today. I bought a few things but by and large the prices were to high for me.
I can go to Sprouts which has similar items and get them for much cheaper.
 

waybomb

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Will somebody tell me how the benefits of Organic outweigh the negatives?

Organic animals - many suffer and die since they can't be medicated.
Organic crops take more space - where is that space going to come from?
Organic crops can not be treated with insecticides, meaning less yield, and diseased crops.

Teach me.

And why did my grandparents all live into their 90s and all they ate was yellow potatoes (stick of butter per potato or two, all mashed together), full fat meats, bread like crazy, a shot of Slivovitz every night, and a cigar a day?

None of it was organic.
 

EastTexFrank

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Will somebody tell me how the benefits of Organic outweigh the negatives?

Organic animals - many suffer and die since they can't be medicated.
Organic crops take more space - where is that space going to come from?
Organic crops can not be treated with insecticides, meaning less yield, and diseased crops.

Teach me.

And why did my grandparents all live into their 90s and all they ate was yellow potatoes (stick of butter per potato or two, all mashed together), full fat meats, bread like crazy, a shot of Slivovitz every night, and a cigar a day?

None of it was organic.

It's all a con ... a marketing ploy!!!!!

I'm not advocating turning to Monsanto but there has to be a happy medium somewhere. Personally, I'm a lot like Melsdad. I prefer "good" and most of the time I'm willing to pay a little more to get it. My wife, on the other hand, loves a bargain but nothing drives her crazy more than buying produce that's still within its "use by" date and have the bottom of the container filled with already spoiled stuff. :flowers::flowers::flowers: That seems to be happening more and more these days.
 

Catavenger

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I bought some kind of orange tangerine juice there yesterday. I took one swig of it this morning. That was all it took. I poured the rest of it down the sink.
Maybe it will clean out the drains.
 

Melensdad

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I bought some kind of orange tangerine juice there yesterday. I took one swig of it this morning. That was all it took. I poured the rest of it down the sink.
Maybe it will clean out the drains.

If it works then let me know, I'm sure it will be SEPTIC SAFE :yum:
 

Catavenger

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If you have a store called "Sprouts" near you try that instead of Wholefoods. Better selection and prices than Wholefoods.
 

Big Dog

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We shop at DiMaio's Market, meat is excellent and they have a deli/bakery. Prices comparable to WF or Giant Eagle. I'm guessing they have about 2400 sqft of shopping paradise but they ain't got no fancy shit! Family is good Conservatives. :yum:

:biggrin:
 

waybomb

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You can get great meat almost anywhere. Just ask for prime, whatever cut you like.

Try to get it 45 days wet aged. Dry aged is better but you most likely won't find it.
 

MamaTea

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I do love Whole Foods.

Too bad I can't shop there. This capitalistic mindset of mine is slowly changing that for my family.

---They sold me the best steak I have had in my entire life.
 

Melensdad

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I do love Whole Foods.

Too bad I can't shop there. This capitalistic mindset of mine is slowly changing that for my family.

---They sold me the best steak I have had in my entire life.

I bought a rack of lamb from Whole Foods. It was amazingly good.

Their cheese selection is astounding, always changing, always a friendly person behind the counter to let you try the cheeses before you buy.

That said, I haven't been to Whole Foods in a few months.
 

MamaTea

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I bought a rack of lamb from Whole Foods. It was amazingly good.

Their cheese selection is astounding, always changing, always a friendly person behind the counter to let you try the cheeses before you buy.

That said, I haven't been to Whole Foods in a few months.

Ahh, I have had some lamb from them before, not a whole rack though!! I bet is was heavenly. :bolt:

It has been more than a few months for us! Which is sad because some of my favorite grocery items come from whole foods.

Very soon, I will have my leisure foods back haha.
 
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