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Mitt Romney gave millions to charity. Joe Biden gave $369.

Big Dog

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Liberals don't appear to put there money where their mouth is! It's looking like democrats only like giving YOUR money away!

Mitt Romney gave millions to charity. Joe Biden gave $369.


I'm really struggling to work out what all the fuss is about over this one. It seems to me to be much ado about nothing. Breaking news: Mitt Romney is very rich. He also gave millions and millions of dollars to charity and to the taxman.

In the early hours of this morning, some 550 pages of Mitt Romney's tax returns and a 2011 tax summary were released by his campaign. Just after dawn, there was a long campaign conference call for bleary-eyed reporters in which an accountant (who sounded exactly like you'd imagine Mitt Romney's accountant would sound) went into details of Mitt millions in mind-numbing detail.


There was an air of grumpy efficency about the call, which was led by Ben Ginsberg, who was George W. Bush's lawyer during the Florida election recount in 2000. At one point Ginsberg noted that 26 people from Chicago were listening into the proceedings, a reference to the Obama campaign headquarters.


So what were the headlines? He raked in about $42 million in 2010 and 2011. His effective tax rate was just below 14 percent, lower than that for many American taxpayers. He paid $6.2 million to the taxman and donated a staggering $7 million to charity, including $4.1 million to the Mormon church.


OK, so Mormons are supposed to tithe 10 percent of their income. But it's to Romney's immense credit that he promised to do this in his youth and followed through with that - to the tune of scores of millions (maybe hundreds of millions) of dollars throughout his life.


In fact, in those two years, he paid 16 percent of his income to charity, compared to, er, 2.6 percent by Newt Gingrich.


And what about President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden in the run-up to their 2008 campaign?


USA Today broke it down here. In 2007, the Obamas gave more than $240,000 to charity, about 5.7 percent of their income. The Bidens gave an average of $369 to charity a year for the decade before he moved to the Naval Observatory - about 0.3 percent of their income. Back in 1997, then veep Al Gore and his then wife Tipper gave $353.


Since becoming veep, Biden hasn't become much more generous. In 2010, he gave $5,350, about 1.4 percent of income. That same year, Romney gave some $3 million. The national average is about three percent.
As far as we know, Romney scrupulously adhered to all US tax laws. No one has accused him of tax evasion.


What we hear is: Funds in the Cayman Islands! Swiss bank account!
So will all this hurt Romney politically? The Obama campaign and White House clearly thinks so. An Obama guest for tonight's State of the Union will be Warren Buffett's secretary, a crude nod to the familiar Democratic trope about the secretary being subject to higher tax rates than Buffett himself.


Much of the media also thinks so. Covering the story, CNN made repeated use of the term "the one percent" - a blatant assimilation of the cry from the Occupy Wall Street movement.


In Britain and much the rest of Europe, immense personal wealth often breeds resentment. In the United States, not so much. Certainly, Americans want economic fairness and equal opportuity. But belief in capitalism and the notion that by striving hard you too can become wealthy remain are enduring American traits.


Last week, Romney was stunningly inept in his handling of questions about his tax returns, humming and hawing, prevaricating, stonewalling and then finally, in defeat in South Carolina, agreeing to release documents.


Now he's done what he should have done earlier (politically-speaking - he's releasing returns much earlier than any other candidate previously in modern times) this is going to fade away as an issue for most voters.


Democrats will try to foment resentment about Romney's wealth. And certainly some people will never want to vote for a fat cat rich guy. But if Obama strategists think they it can win a re-election battle on a platform of class warfare they're very much mistaken.
 

joec

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Ah how much does Bidden make compared to Romney, for that matter how many people in this country make as much as Romney. My guess about 1% perhaps you should pick another target as Bidden is really a poor example as that is like comparing apples and oranges really. It is easy to give when one makes billions compared to say me and I don't give money to any charity because I don't have money to burn.
 

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Ah how much does Bidden make compared to Romney, for that matter how many people in this country make as much as Romney. My guess about 1% perhaps you should pick another target as Bidden is really a poor example as that is like comparing apples and oranges really. It is easy to give when one makes billions compared to say me and I don't give money to any charity because I don't have money to burn.

I know they don't make the same amount of money, look at the percentages!! How about Gore, he has to have as much money as Romney. Jeez Joe how can you defend them in this instance?
 

joec

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I know they don't make the same amount of money, look at the percentages!! How about Gore, he has to have as much money as Romney. Jeez Joe how can you defend them in this instance?


You do realize that what money is about don't you, as I sometimes wonder about this group? Say you make $100 a week and you give 10% that is 10 dollars leaving you with $90 to live on. Now if you make a $1000 a week and give 10% that is $100 dollars leaving you with $900 to live on. So with that said so what percentage do you suggest. It comes down to living within your means nothing more and if I had Romney's means I would probably give more than Bidden also..
 

FrancSevin

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Ah how much does Bidden make compared to Romney, for that matter how many people in this country make as much as Romney. My guess about 1% perhaps you should pick another target as Bidden is really a poor example as that is like comparing apples and oranges really. It is easy to give when one makes billions compared to say me and I don't give money to any charity because I don't have money to burn.

What has that to do with it Joec? By percentage Romney has given more. Keep in mind thathe gives 10% to the church as a tithe. He gave well beyond that.

Putting it in percentage does make it Apples and Apples. It is harder for the Biblical widow to give her two coins than the rich man o give his many. but without her gift, she has not charity.

Biden is a questionable catholic. But he claims to be one. He makes enough, far more than most here anyway, to do better than $369.00.

Your position here is like so many of your other others, amazing. And apparently founded in a complete lack of charity.

BTW,
Romney hasn't asked Americans to give anything. Yet he sets an example of generosity.
Biden has asked us all to "sacrifice" Where is an example of his?

Which of these two approaches is based on spending "other peoples" money?
And how does someone who gives nothing to charity come to a conclusion about what is a"fair share" of Taxes?

In the end, it appears you proved Big Dog's assertion. Liberals don't like to give to Charity. Amazing
 

joec

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What has that to do with it Joec? By percentage Romney has given more. Keep in mind thathe gives 10% to the church as a tithe. He gave well beyond that.

Putting it in percentage does make it Apples and Apples. It is harder for the Biblical widow to give her two coins than the rich man o give his many. but without her gift, she has not charity.

Biden is a questionable catholic. But he claims to be one. He makes enough, far more than most here anyway, to do better than $369.00.

Your position here is like so many of your other others, amazing. And apparently founded in a complete lack of charity.

BTW,
Romney hasn't asked Americans to give anything. Yet he sets an example of generosity.
Biden has asked us all to "sacrifice" Where is an example of his?

Which of these two approaches is based on spending "other peoples" money?
And how does someone who gives nothing to charity come to a conclusion about what is a"fair share" of Taxes?

Let me put it in terms you might understand and also help you understand why we have a graduated tax structure instead of a flat tax. Though for some reason I doubt you will.

You buy a house and one point in interest might mean the difference of you buying it and not buying it. Now the reason is that 1 point will put it out of your means so you have to go without something else that you need to own it. Lower income levels you don't have the luxury to spend as much or even as high a percentage. Last I heard Bidden is hardly what I would call among the very rich. Fair share is based on ones ability to pay with out putting them in a hardship.
 

loboloco

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Ah how much does Bidden make compared to Romney, for that matter how many people in this country make as much as Romney. My guess about 1% perhaps you should pick another target as Bidden is really a poor example as that is like comparing apples and oranges really. It is easy to give when one makes billions compared to say me and I don't give money to any charity because I don't have money to burn.
To answer, Biden claimed 123,000.00 the year he paid 369.00 for charity. Based on the .3% figure.
 

joec

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To answer, Biden claimed 123,000.00 the year he paid 369.00 for charity. Based on the .3% figure.

Again comparing Joe Biden's $123,000 per year to a someone worth at least a 1/2 billion is just plain a waste of time. How much of your income did you give to charity last year that you can document. I gave 0% so now what did you give. Oh and don't document the value of furniture, sporting equipment and such on my taxes as filing for me is a simple process with no deductions other than what is given on a short form.
 

loboloco

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Again comparing Joe Biden's $123,000 per year to a someone worth at least a 1/2 billion is just plain a waste of time. How much of your income did you give to charity last year that you can document. I gave 0% so now what did you give. Oh and don't document the value of furniture, sporting equipment and such on my taxes as filing for me is a simple process with no deductions other than what is given on a short form.
Then lets make a different comparison. Biden claimed 123,00.00 per year. Gave 369.00 to charity.
(name removed) made 9869.00 in 2009, yet gave 2238.00 to charity including donations of clothing and furniture. This would be about 23% of his income. Please note, this was his gross income, not net claimed.
I removed the name of this individual because he gave me permission to use his figures, but not his name.
 

mak2

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Did anybody mention he only paid %14 taxes in the one year he released, if we are talking percentages I paid a lot more taxes than Romney.

I also noticed it seems you have years of numbers for everyone, oh, excpet Romney. Wondre why.
 

loboloco

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Did anybody mention he only paid %14 taxes in the one year he released, if we are talking percentages I paid a lot more taxes than Romney.

I also noticed it seems you have years of numbers for everyone, oh, excpet Romney. Wondre why.
2010, 2011 for Romney. Yep, Romney paid 14% in taxes on his claimed income. This was about 4% too high IMHO. If you paid more than 10% then you paid too much too. Please note, I left out SS taxes.
 

joec

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Did anybody mention he only paid %14 taxes in the one year he released, if we are talking percentages I paid a lot more taxes than Romney.

I also noticed it seems you have years of numbers for everyone, oh, excpet Romney. Wondre why.

Oh you took the fun away Mak, I was going there next. So net income would be even less. :yum:
 

tiredretired

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Liberals spend other peoples money. They hold onto their own. You guys know that by now. Why should this surprise anyone.
 

tiredretired

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Did anybody mention he only paid %14 taxes in the one year he released, if we are talking percentages I paid a lot more taxes than Romney.

I also noticed it seems you have years of numbers for everyone, oh, excpet Romney. Wondre why.

That's because your not smart enough to make the kind of money he did. Sucks for you.
 

joec

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Liberals spend other peoples money. They hold onto their own. You guys know that by now. Why should this surprise anyone.

Really I wasn't aware a company like Bain capital put more than necessary to buy controlling interest a company when down. Then they borrow heavily running up big debts to sell off their shares at a very high rate with in a year or two and dumping the company to deal with the debt. Sounds smart to me even if slightly shady to say the least. A good way to make billions if you have no problem with screwing other for your gain.
 

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Absolutely imaterial how much money either of them made or gave away. And so what if Mitt was smart enough to make moeny? You want to elect some dumb stooge that is broke? Jeeze guys, keep you eye on the ball...
 

joec

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Absolutely imaterial how much money either of them made or gave away. And so what if Mitt was smart enough to make moeny? You want to elect some dumb stooge that is broke? Jeeze guys, keep you eye on the ball...

Nope I sure don't begrudge him for making money or for that matter anyone. It does aggravate me that I pay about 35% of my income in taxes while he pays 14%.
 

tiredretired

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Talking about charitable contributions Joe. Watch your leader tonight. You will pick up a few more pointers on class warfare. May I suggest MSNBC and al sharptons commentary. :yum:
 

tiredretired

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Nope I sure don't begrudge him for making money or for that matter anyone. It does aggravate me that I pay about 35% of my income in taxes while he pays 14%.

If you pay 35% you better invest your money better. Sorry. :biggrin:
 

FrancSevin

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Did anybody mention he only paid %14 taxes in the one year he released, if we are talking percentages I paid a lot more taxes than Romney.

I also noticed it seems you have years of numbers for everyone, oh, excpet Romney. Wondre why.

Taxes paid in investment income.. Let's see how that works.

A person make some money, pays income taxes on it at current rates for wages income. That's income taxes and Social security taxes. So his net from this is taxpaid money.
Now he puts it into and investment and it earns income by interest or it pays out because it rises in value and the owner of that tax paid fund of cash gets an appreciation value. Keep in mind this is money has already paid it's due taxes. It's "fair share." When it was first earned.

And now you call it unfair because the passive income gets a second tax hit, because that rate is not as agregious as the first one.

No one has claimed that Romney's income is derived from any manipulations or deviations from the tax code under which we all have to operate. He just got higher up on the scale and was a ble to salt some away. After taxes of course.

To hear the jackals on the left, this is somehow unfair. And they pander to the wage earners in a group from which most do not pay much if any income taxes. The average wage earner in America pays about 9% net in income taxes. That is less than Romney's rate and certainly less than the total dollars he paid in taxes. And those that suggest he somehow is getting a break, essentialy paying taxes twice on the same money, are simply using numbers to gerrymander the facts,,,,and promote their agenda which is simply to paint him as a rich man who got his wealth and doesn't care about the poor.

Ignoring his charitable contributions of course because lefty's don't think that is a good moral act unless the government gets to decide the more proper disbursment of those funds. Skimming their take off the top of course.

All for our own good.

And ignoring the fact that deposits of real cash in banks, even offshore banks, give entreprenuers and investment bankrers capital with which to loan businesses which then create jobs. Progressives would have you believe the Fed should do this better with monopoly money.:brows:
 
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