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American Kids Overmedicated?

Big Dog

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Well Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ........... there appears to be a drug for every damn symptom of ailment and mis-behavior. IMO ..... A lot of this drug non-sense could be quelled by parents. Think about it, when we were kids did we have these numbers? I'm not saying that some of this is not necessary but today there is no assurance of issue. Give them a drug and everything will be OK.

We didn't have these drugs in the 60' and 70's and only the severe problem children surfaced. The course took longer to diagnose but we didn't expose near the kids to drugs or what I like to think as taking the easy way out. Parents are lazy today and always looking to put the blame somewhere else. "It couldn't be the way I've raised my kids" attitude is poisoning their kids.

If it's a health issue, I haven't a problem but the behavior is what I speak most of most. Parents need to be more involved and be ready to discipline, too many are not willing to be the bad guy when needed.

JMHO ..........

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Study: American Kids Take Anti-Psychotic Medicines at Six Times the Rate of U.K. Children

CHICAGO — American children take anti-psychotic medicines at about six times the rate of children in the United Kingdom, according to a comparison based on a new U.K. study.

Does it mean U.S. kids are being over-treated? Or that U.K. children are being under-treated?

Experts say that's almost beside the point, because use is rising on both sides of the Atlantic. And with scant long-term safety data, it's likely the drugs are being over-prescribed for both U.S. and U.K. children, research suggests.

Among the most commonly used drugs were those to treat autism and hyperactivity.

In the U.K. study, anti-psychotics were prescribed for 595 children at a rate of less than four per 10,000 children in 1992. By 2005, 2,917 children were prescribed the drugs at a rate of seven per 10,000 — a near-doubling, said lead author Fariz Rani, a researcher at the University of London's pharmacy school.

The study is being released Monday in the May edition of the journal Pediatrics.

By contrast, an earlier U.S. study found that nearly 45 American children out of 10,000 used the drugs in 2001 versus more than 23 per 10,000 in 1996.

There are big differences that could help explain the vastly higher U.S. rate.

A recent report in The Lancet suggested that the U.K.'s universal health care system limits prescribing practices there. The report also said direct-to-consumer ads are more common in the United States. These ads raise consumer awareness and demand for medication.

While drug company ties with doctors are common in both the U.S. and U.K., Vanderbilt University researcher Wayne Ray said U.K. physicians generally are more conservative about prescribing psychiatric drugs. Ray co-authored the U.S. study, published in 2004.

The new U.K. study, involving 1992-2005 health records of more than 16,000 children, is the first large examination of these drugs in U.K. children. It found the increase was mostly in medicines that haven't been officially approved for kids. They were most commonly prescribed for behavior and conduct disorders, which include attention deficit disorder.

Side effects including weight gain, nervous-system problems and heart trouble have been reported in children using these drugs and there's little long-term evidence about whether they're safe for them, the study authors said.

"This highlights the need for long-term safety investigations and ongoing clinical monitoring," they said, "particularly if the prescribing rate of these medicines continues to rise."

One of the most commonly used anti-psychotics in the U.K. study was Risperdal, a schizophrenia drug that is sometimes used to treat irritability and aggression in autism. Its side effects include drowsiness and weight gain.

Thioridazine, sometimes used to treat hyperactivity in attention deficit disorder, was frequently used early on. Its use decreased after 2000 when a U.K. safety committee warned of heart-related side effects, the authors said.

Reasons for the increases are uncertain but may be similar to those in the United States, such as an increase in autism cases and drug industry influence.

In both countries, the issue isn't simply how many children are getting these drugs, said Dr. David Fassler, a University of Vermont psychiatry professor. "The more important question is whether or not the right kids are getting the most appropriate and effective treatment possible," he said. Fassler wasn't involved in the study.

Dr. William Cooper, a Vanderbilt pediatrician, said the study shows the drugs are being used "without full understanding about the risks."

"I find it really interesting that we're now seeing increases in other countries besides the U.S., which suggests that the magnitude of this issue is global," said Cooper, also an author of the 2004 U.S. study.
 

XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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The funny thing is that it's often the parents that are "demanding" that the doctor do something about their problem child. Everybody wants a pill to solve their problems instead of addressing the issue with their own actions.

If their doctor doesn't give them what they want they just go to another doctor until they find one that is willing to prescribe them a magic pill. Unfortunately, too many doctors cave in to the demanding parent.
 

Big Dog

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The funny thing is that it's often the parents that are "demanding" that the doctor do something about their problem child. Everybody wants a pill to solve their problems instead of addressing the issue with their own actions.

If their doctor doesn't give them what they want they just go to another doctor until they find one that is willing to prescribe them a magic pill. Unfortunately, too many doctors cave in to the demanding parent.

Absolutely the point!!!!

Don't have kids unless your willing to spend time with them, praise them, take them for ice cream or crack their ass when appropriate!
 

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Well Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ........... there appears to be a drug for every damn symptom of ailment and mis-behavior.

We didn't have these drugs in the 60' and 70's and only the severe problem children surfaced.

What we had in the 50's and 60's were parents that would whip your butt if you did something wrong. In the 70's it started to become "Abuse" instead of behavior modification.

Now the kids are well drugged and behave accordingly... in a stupor...

You can thank the far left for correcting our behavior of the past.

Vote Republican, the lessor of two evils!
 

Eclipse21

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fogtender I agree with most of what you say - The kids today are prescribed drugs to quickly but must you blame the Dems for everything ?
 

fogtender

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fogtender I agree with most of what you say - The kids today are prescribed drugs to quickly but must you blame the Dems for everything ?

Fault goes where it starts at. The Dem's are on the Liberal side of the line now and the Liberals are the ones that claimed "Spanking" was abuse, now they drug our kids and that isn't abuse?

The Repub's aren't perfect either, and I have lots of disagreement with them too, you just haven't hit those buttons yet....:brows:
 

thcri

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My opinion,

1. Some parents believe it is up to the school system (which I think sucks) to bring up their kids.

2. Our government believes that parents don't know how to discipline or have the right to discipline their own children.

3. Lazy school teachers (not all but a good majority of them) that believes any time a kid disobeys or gets in trouble needs a pill instead of being told to bend over so they could take the ruler to their arse in front of the rest of the kids.


murph
 

Eclipse21

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Ha Ha , Great talking with you fogtender . I hope to talk again. Always fun to debate smart people even if I disagree. Thanks,Eclipse
 
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XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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Absolutely the point!!!!

Don't have kids unless your willing to spend time with them, praise them, take them for ice cream or crack their ass when appropriate!

It's interesting that the people that blame doctors for over-prescribing these drugs are the same people that are looking to blame the government, schools, and everyone else for their problems instead of just dealing with the painful realities that they are responsible for their own actions (and the actions of their kids).

I know a pediatrician that refuses to write for ADD/ADHD drugs. If patients want them then they have to go see a specialist and get all the tests done. They lose a lot of patients but at least they can sleep at night.

Apparently, there are a few extreme cases where the drugs do help but there are many cases where it is just a band aid for poor parenting.
 

rback33

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Along these same lines... are we over strict by putting the runt to bed at 8? When I was a kid, my bedtime was 8:30 until I got to stinking JR high I think. We have people come over and are shocked she is in bed at 8 and in the next breath can't believe what a well behaved kid she has. Do they not stop to think that taking the dictatorship approach to parenting might make a difference? I am not here to be her friend. I am here to make sure she's sees 6.
 

XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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Along these same lines... are we over strict by putting the runt to bed at 8? When I was a kid, my bedtime was 8:30 until I got to stinking JR high I think. We have people come over and are shocked she is in bed at 8 and in the next breath can't believe what a well behaved kid she has. Do they not stop to think that taking the dictatorship approach to parenting might make a difference? I am not here to be her friend. I am here to make sure she's sees 6.

Ours are in bed by 8 too. 7:30 if they are acting crazy!

Kids need to sleep. If ours aren't sleepy they can read books in their rooms quietly.

This article is also really good and points out something a lot of kids are missing out on these days:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19212514

Old-Fashioned Play Builds Serious Skills

by Alix Spiegel

On October 3, 1955, the Mickey Mouse Club debuted on television. As we all now know, the show quickly became a cultural icon, one of those phenomena that helped define an era.

What is less remembered but equally, if not more, important, is that another transformative cultural event happened that day: The Mattel toy company began advertising a gun called the "Thunder Burp."
I know — who's ever heard of the Thunder Burp?

Well, no one.

The reason the advertisement is significant is because it marked the first time that any toy company had attempted to peddle merchandise on television outside of the Christmas season. Until 1955, ad budgets at toy companies were minuscule, so the only time they could afford to hawk their wares on TV was during Christmas. But then came Mattel and the Thunder Burp, which, according to Howard Chudacoff, a cultural historian at Brown University, was a kind of historical watershed. Almost overnight, children's play became focused, as never before, on things — the toys themselves.

"It's interesting to me that when we talk about play today, the first thing that comes to mind are toys," says Chudacoff. "Whereas when I would think of play in the 19th century, I would think of activity rather than an object."

Chudacoff's recently published history of child's play argues that for most of human history what children did when they played was roam in packs large or small, more or less unsupervised, and engage in freewheeling imaginative play. They were pirates and princesses, aristocrats and action heroes. Basically, says Chudacoff, they spent most of their time doing what looked like nothing much at all.

"They improvised play, whether it was in the outdoors… or whether it was on a street corner or somebody's back yard," Chudacoff says. "They improvised their own play; they regulated their play; they made up their own rules."

But during the second half of the 20th century, Chudacoff argues, play changed radically. Instead of spending their time in autonomous shifting make-believe, children were supplied with ever more specific toys for play and predetermined scripts. Essentially, instead of playing pirate with a tree branch they played Star Wars with a toy light saber. Chudacoff calls this the commercialization and co-optation of child's play — a trend which begins to shrink the size of children's imaginative space.

But commercialization isn't the only reason imagination comes under siege. In the second half of the 20th century, Chudacoff says, parents became increasingly concerned about safety, and were driven to create play environments that were secure and could not be penetrated by threats of the outside world. Karate classes, gymnastics, summer camps — these create safe environments for children, Chudacoff says. And they also do something more: for middle-class parents increasingly worried about achievement, they offer to enrich a child's mind.

Change in Play, Change in Kids
Clearly the way that children spend their time has changed. Here's the issue: A growing number of psychologists believe that these changes in what children do has also changed kids' cognitive and emotional development.

It turns out that all that time spent playing make-believe actually helped children develop a critical cognitive skill called executive function. Executive function has a number of different elements, but a central one is the ability to self-regulate. Kids with good self-regulation are able to control their emotions and behavior, resist impulses, and exert self-control and discipline.

We know that children's capacity for self-regulation has diminished. A recent study replicated a study of self-regulation first done in the late 1940s, in which psychological researchers asked kids ages 3, 5 and 7 to do a number of exercises. One of those exercises included standing perfectly still without moving. The 3-year-olds couldn't stand still at all, the 5-year-olds could do it for about three minutes, and the 7-year-olds could stand pretty much as long as the researchers asked. In 2001, researchers repeated this experiment. But, psychologist Elena Bodrova at Mid-Continent Research for Education and Learning says, the results were very different.

"Today's 5-year-olds were acting at the level of 3-year-olds 60 years ago, and today's 7-year-olds were barely approaching the level of a 5-year-old 60 years ago," Bodrova explains. "So the results were very sad."
Sad because self-regulation is incredibly important. Poor executive function is associated with high dropout rates, drug use and crime. In fact, good executive function is a better predictor of success in school than a child's IQ. Children who are able to manage their feelings and pay attention are better able to learn. As executive function researcher Laura Berk explains, "Self-regulation predicts effective development in virtually every domain."

The Importance of Self-Regulation
According to Berk, one reason make-believe is such a powerful tool for building self-discipline is because during make-believe, children engage in what's called private speech: They talk to themselves about what they are going to do and how they are going to do it.

"In fact, if we compare preschoolers' activities and the amount of private speech that occurs across them, we find that this self-regulating language is highest during make-believe play," Berk says. "And this type of self-regulating language… has been shown in many studies to be predictive of executive functions."
And it's not just children who use private speech to control themselves. If we look at adult use of private speech, Berk says, "we're often using it to surmount obstacles, to master cognitive and social skills, and to manage our emotions."

Unfortunately, the more structured the play, the more children's private speech declines. Essentially, because children's play is so focused on lessons and leagues, and because kids' toys increasingly inhibit imaginative play, kids aren't getting a chance to practice policing themselves. When they have that opportunity, says Berk, the results are clear: Self-regulation improves.

"One index that researchers, including myself, have used… is the extent to which a child, for example, cleans up independently after a free-choice period in preschool," Berk says. "We find that children who are most effective at complex make-believe play take on that responsibility with… greater willingness, and even will assist others in doing so without teacher prompting."

Despite the evidence of the benefits of imaginative play, however, even in the context of preschool young children's play is in decline. According to Yale psychological researcher Dorothy Singer, teachers and school administrators just don't see the value.

"Because of the testing, and the emphasis now that you have to really pass these tests, teachers are starting earlier and earlier to drill the kids in their basic fundamentals. Play is viewed as unnecessary, a waste of time," Singer says. "I have so many articles that have documented the shortening of free play for children, where the teachers in these schools are using the time for cognitive skills."

It seems that in the rush to give children every advantage — to protect them, to stimulate them, to enrich them — our culture has unwittingly compromised one of the activities that helped children most. All that wasted time was not such a waste after all.
 

Av8r3400

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... 3. Lazy school teachers (not all but a good majority of them) that believes any time a kid disobeys or gets in trouble needs a pill instead of being told to bend over so they could take the ruler to their arse in front of the rest of the kids. ...murph


I don't have much use for bad teachers as a whole, but, when a teacher can't even raise their voice (much less give them the beating that they deserve) to a problem student, what are they to do?

Answer: Drug 'em & pass 'em on.


(Thats the liberal, NEA-union, democrat sponcered way. :thumb:)
 

thcri

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but, when a teacher can't even raise their voice (much less give them the beating that they deserve) to a problem student, what are they to do?

Answer: Drug 'em & pass 'em on.


(Thats the liberal, NEA-union, democrat sponcered way. :thumb:)


AV, good point, maybe we should throw in all the stupid lawsuits that have come about for teachers trying to discipline kids.
 

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The funny thing is that it's often the parents that are "demanding" that the doctor do something about their problem child. Everybody wants a pill to solve their problems instead of addressing the issue with their own actions.

If their doctor doesn't give them what they want they just go to another doctor until they find one that is willing to prescribe them a magic pill. Unfortunately, too many doctors cave in to the demanding parent.

Sadly, this is very true.
 

XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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Sadly, this is very true.

It's true in many cases not just pediatrics. One of the reasons we are having MRSA outbreaks is because people demand antibiotics for viral issues. Everyone wants a magic pill and no one wants to suffer.
 

Eclipse21

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Yes I have a friend who demanded antibiotics for a viral issue. Doc caved and gave it to them. We have had many many MRSA cases in my hometown. Immunities or resistance to antibiotics will make them useless eventually. The differences between bacterial and viral infections should be taught in school . Thanks, Eclipse
 
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