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Obama's Gang of 6 plan raises taxes $3 Trillion

Big Dog

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Am I incorrect to assume that this has to get 2/3 vote in the house? Ain't got a chance if my assumption is correct .......... I don't like it!
 

Melensdad

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Am I incorrect to assume that this has to get 2/3 vote in the house? Ain't got a chance if my assumption is correct .......... I don't like it!

I believe you are correct about the 2/3rds vote, but even if it needs a simple majority of 50% +1 it will have a very difficult time getting passed in the House.
 

muleman

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The new Gang of Six proposal brewing in the Senate is a total sellout which promises to usher in a vast new round of new taxes. Not just closing of loopholes, but real live taxes we will all have to pay.

The proposal is based on the recommendations of the Bowles-Simpson Deficit Reduction Commission as modified by the "Gang of Six" US Senators. It plans to raise $1 trillion in new tax revenues. While the gang is vague on the details of the new taxes, the Bowles-Simpson Commission was quite clear - it proposes the virtual elimination of all tax deductions, certainly for taxpayers with joint incomes of over $200,000 and possibly for everyone. The revenues it would generate from eliminating or sharply curtailing the mortgage interest, charitable, and state and local tax deductions are set to generate $1 trillion of new revenues over ten years and to finance a vague and unspecified hoped for cut in the top tax bracket.

The elimination or significant curtailment of these deductions would have a ruinous economic impact.

Cutting out the mortgage interest deduction would cost American taxpayers almost $100 billion a year. It would decimate the already moribund real estate sector and would make their current homes unaffordable for millions of homeowners by changing the financial rules in the middle of the game.

Restricting or eliminating the state and local tax deduction is, in effect, to levy a 25-35 percent surcharge on state and local taxes - income and property - hammering people who live in high tax states. The cost in jobs and state revenues are likely to be staggering.

Limiting the charitable donation deduction is the unkindest cut of all since it hurts precisely the poor people Obama and the Democrats say they most want to help. They apparently only favor help to the poor when it comes through the government and buys their votes.

But the most dangerous part of the proposal is that to establish a commission to monitor the deficit reduction measures to assure that they unfold as planned. Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND), Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, has been pushing this idea for more than a year now hoping to equip the commission with automatic authority to cut spending and to raise taxes without legislative authorization. It would allow a tax increase without requiring any member of Congress to vote for it.

The House has taken a bold and important step in passing the "Cut, Cap and Balance" plan to deal with the deficit. By cutting spending, capping it as a proportion of GDP, and passing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, the House Republicans have put the perfect plan on the table. They should not blink in the face of the Senate proposal but should stand up and demand that their leadership not be gulled into signing on to any variation of the Gang of Six plan.

One hopes that the Republican voters in the states the Republican accomplices of Conrad represent remember their decision to cast their lots with the Democratic members of the Gang to derail the House proposal and to add momentum to this monstrous deal. They are: Senator Mike Crapo of Idaho, Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, Senator Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, and Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. They all deserve a primary when they run again.
 

Doc

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We can pay our debts alright, raising the debt ceiling will simply give them more money that we don't have to spend. I hope it does not get raised. All this gloom and doom over it is hogwash. I hope Obama goes down big on this one.
 

muleman

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If they don't cut spending first they should get no new taxes! They will just piss it away on more dumb programs and bailouts. It is all politics and anyone who votes to raise taxes should be voted out. Time for term limits and break the good old boy stranglehold in government.:hammer:
 

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Convenient as hell that this showed up hours after the house bill had been passed.

Every house member who votes for this should be voted out of office.

From The Ticket via Yahoo News

The sellout crowd.

Who are they?
The so-called Gang of Six is a bipartisan group of three Democrats and three Republican senators tasked with drafting a realistic proposal to reduce the nation's debt and rein in the deficit that can pass the Congress and avoid President Obama's veto pen. Here's a breakdown of the gang members.
Democrats:
• North Dakota Sen. Kent Conrad, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee.
• Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, Senate Majority Whip
• Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, member of the Senate Budget Committee.
Republicans:
• Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss, member of the Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry.
• Idaho Sen. Mike Crapo, member of the Senate Budget Committee.
• Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn, member of the Senate Finance Committee.
Their Proposal
The group has outlined a plan to cut spending by $3.7 trillion over the next decade that includes a major overhaul of the tax code and alterations to the way the federal government pays for Social Security and Medicare. By eliminating loopholes and write-offs in the tax code, the proposal would beef up the Treasury's coffers by more than $1 trillion, gang members say.
Also, the plan would immediately reduce the marginal income tax rate, abolish the alternative minimum tax, create an entirely new set of tax brackets and slash $80 billion from defense.
The group unveiled the plan's details for the first time this week.
"It is probably the only plan that is going to ever pass--or some combination of it," Coburn told Bloomberg TV this week. "This is the first step in a long process for this country to get our finances back under control. $3.7 trillion is a lot of money, but it is not enough yet--but it will buy us the time to get us down the road a little further to make additional changes that are going to have to be made."
President Obama hailed the plan Monday as the "balanced approach" to deficit and debt reduction he has encouraged for months.
"We now have a bipartisan group of senators who agree with that balanced approach," Obama said. "And we've got the American people who agree with that balanced approach."
The plan is the result of months of intense behind-the-scenes negotiations that have seen many fits, starts and reversals. But the group now believes it has bounced back to offer up a blueprint that could change the way the federal government does business for decades.
The Backstory
With the August 2nd deadline to raise the debt ceiling looming, Obama dispatched Vice President Joe Biden and his team to meet with congressional leaders earlier this summer to find a compromise that would convince Republicans to raise the nation's $14.3 trillion debt limit. Led by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Republicans refused to raise taxes under any circumstances. Democrats insisted on what they called a "balanced approach" to solving the problem that would include a blend of spending cuts, tax increases on high income earners and reducing the number of tax credits and loopholes. The meetings ended when Cantor abruptly left the talks in June.
With those negotiations at a standstill, Obama stepped in. For two weeks, the president called congressional leaders to the White House for negotiations that ultimately dissolved.
Long before Republicans began negotiations with the White House, however, the Gang of Six had met privately in the Senate to hash out a long-term deficit reduction plan to put the country on a more fiscally sustainable path. While they remained quiet about the details surround the plan, they worked for months toward a proposal to slash $4 trillion from the federal budget over ten years. There was hope that between Obama's call for increased taxes and the Republican demand for lower spending, the group could arrive at a palatable compromise.
For a while during the spring, the probability for a plan appeared to be high. National headlines blared that a deal was imminent: "Gang of Six closes in on deficit deal," The Hill newspaper wrote in April. "'Gang of Six' Approaches Compromise on Deficit Proposal," a Roll Call headline read two weeks later.
Details were scant, but they had a framework: The deal would include reforming the nation's entitlement programs, such as Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare; there was talk of reducing spending on discretionary programs; and even Coburn was considering closing tax loopholes. Members of the group said they were drafting a plan that could "save our country."
The Defection
Just as the group appeared to be on the cusp of a deal, it all came crashing down when Coburn announced in May that he was dropping out of the talks. The senator from Oklahoma claimed that Democrats had refused to cut enough from welfare programs.
"We're at an impasse," Coburn later said.
Stinging from the loss of Coburn, who was arguably the strongest backer of the 'gang' strategy in the Republican caucus, the group continued to meet on a weekly basis. In June, the quintet opened the doors of their private discussions to a broader group of senators from both parties.
At this point, the focus on debt reduction shifted from the group toward the Biden-led talks and the meetings between Obama and congressional leaders.
The Reunion
During that time, however, Coburn stayed close to his Republican colleagues in the old group. As Politico reported, Coburn met with Chambliss, the group's GOP leader, on a daily basis. As the talks at the White House deteriorated, Chambliss convinced Coburn to return. He agreed, and the others welcomed him.
With only weeks to go before the debt ceiling deadline, the Gang was back, with a plan in hand.
The Prospect Ahead
It's still yet to be seen if the latest plan will gain traction in Congress. And the likelihood that Congress can actually pass some version of the Gang's plan seems quite remote at this late hour. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which determines the cost of all bills, still needs to score the plan, a process that can take several days. And from that point, a bill to institute the Gang's proposals would require lengthy debate in congressional committees, and then on the chamber floors and finally, a vote.
"It's not ready for prime time," Durbin said this week.
Lawmakers may be able to buy themselves more time for a long-term proposal that both parties can find palatable via a short-term extension--even though President Obama has ruled out that option in earlier stages of the debt-ceiling talks.
Still, the cuts promulgated by the Gang of Six, after months of drama and fraught negotiations, at least gives lawmakers a theoretical starting point--something more than the grinding pace of debt-limit negotiations has yielded in Washington thus far.

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jimbo

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If they don't cut spending first they should get no new taxes! They will just piss it away on more dumb programs and bailouts. It is all politics and anyone who votes to raise taxes should be voted out. Time for term limits and break the good old boy stranglehold in government.:hammer:
If they do cut spending there should be no new taxes. The rest of your post is right on.
 

Cowboy

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If they don't cut spending first they should get no new taxes! They will just piss it away on more dumb programs and bailouts. It is all politics and anyone who votes to raise taxes should be voted out. Time for term limits and break the good old boy stranglehold in government.:hammer:
What pisses me off the most. is the empty threats of holding up SS and payment to military personall but they would still have the nerve to collect it from the taxpayers . This administration has broken every damn law and continues going against the principals that has made this a great country for centurys . :glare:

I honestlly think from here on out we will never be able to recover and things can only continue to get worse which IMHO was their plan from the start . :neutral:
 
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