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POLL: Can Congress Legally Require Citizens to get Health Insurance?

Does Congress have the authority to mandate we get/have Health Insurance?

  • Yes, they have the LEGAL AUTHORITY to mandate we buy insurance

    Votes: 2 13.3%
  • No, there is no LEGAL AUTHORITY in our Constitution

    Votes: 13 86.7%

  • Total voters
    15

Melensdad

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Just curious, but is there any authority granted to Congress that allows it to mandate that US Citizens are required to buy/get/have health insurance of any kind?

If you believe so, please explain.

If you believe NO, then please also explain.

I'm not looking to argue opinions of morally right or wrong or anything like that. I'm simply wondering if you think there is any legal authority granted that then allows Congress to force us to carry some sort of mandated health insurance.
 

Melensdad

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I found this on the Heritage Foundation site. Admittedly the H.F. is a libertarian leaning conservative think tank. I can find no similar liberal think tank suggesting Constitutional authority.

Is there a Constitutional Basis for Mandatory Health Insurance?
Posted November 12th, 2009 at 4.17pm in Health Care, Rule of Law.
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/12/is-there-a-constitutional-basis-for-mandatory-health-insurance/

Does the Constitution allow the federal government to force individual citizens to buy health insurance? Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Rep. John Shadegg (R-AZ) have been waging a war to force Members of Congress to include a concise explanation of the constitutional authority empowering Congress to enact legislation as part of every bill. The legislation titled “The Enumerated Powers Act” would not allow the House or Senate to consider any legislation not containing an explanation of the constitutional authority for legislation. Clearly this is needed, because Senator Daniel Akaka (D-HI) had a hard time responding to a simple question from a CNS News reporter that strikes at the core of Obamacare: “Does the United States Constitution give the United States Congress the authority to mandate individuals to have health insurance, to carry health insurance?”

VIDEO > > > http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=GdqGnzDkIr

Members of Congress should be able to provide the constitutional authority for the federal government mandating the purchasing of health insurance under the penalty of fines and jail time if they support that idea. For that matter, they should be able to recite a constitutional basis for all legislation they support. It should be the first issue a member considers. Not true with Obamacare. In a report released today, Nicholas Ballasy of CNS News asked Senator Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii) a simple question concerning authority for individual mandated health insurance.

Akaka responded by saying “I’m not aware of that, let me put it that way. But what we’re trying to do is to provide for people who have needs and that’s where the accessibility comes in, and one of the goals that we’re trying to present here is to make it accessible.”

Later in the interview this exchange occurs:
Ballasy: “Is there any specific area of the Constitution that would give Congress the authority to be able to mandate individuals to have to purchase health insurance?”

Akaka: “Not in particular with health insurance. It’s not covered in that respect. But in ways to help citizens in our country to live a good life, let me say it that way, is what we’re trying to do, and in this case, we’re trying to help them with their health.”​

All Americans should be deeply troubled that a United States Senator can’t argue the constitutional basis for Obamacare. Andrew Grossman wrote an excellent paper for The Heritage Foundation Titled “The Enumerated Powers Act: A First Step Toward Constitutional Government.” Grossman explains that the simple requirement of a constitutional explanation “would empower those few Members of Congress willing to stand up and call attention to Congress’s routine disregard of the Con stitution’s division of powers, especially its limitations on federal power.” Grossman argues further that by requiring “legislation to state the basis of its authority would reveal the hollow ness of the constitutional doctrine underlying so much congressional action. Every bill would be an opportunity for Americans to think seriously about our constitutional order, the wisdom of its design, and the consequences of departing from its strictures.” We clearly need to be having that debate right now, because at least one of the advocates for Obamacare in the Senate has not provided any constitutional basis for an individual mandate that all Americans purchase health care.​


And then I found this one from a Constitutional Law Blog:
Is an Individual Health Insurance Mandate Constitutional?

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/co...-health-insurance-mandate-constitutional.html

David Rivkin and Lee Casey this week argued in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece that the mandatory insurance provision in Senator Baucus's health reform bill is unconstitutional.

The argument goes like this:

1. Congress lacks authority under the Commerce Clause to require individuals to purchase insurance, because a "health-care mandate would not regulate any 'activity.'" The authors reference United States v. Lopez and Gonzales v. Raich.

2. Because Congress can't do it under the Commerce Clause, Baucus (and other supporters of an individual mandate) have called it a tax. (Baucus's bill refers to the penalty for failure to insure an "excise tax," to be administered and collected by the IRS.)

3. But this "excise tax" is plainly a penalty, pushing the bounds of the Supreme Court's Taxing Clause jurisprudence. The authors: "The Supreme Court has never accepted such a proposition, and it is unlikely to accept it now, even in an area as important as health care."​

The authors are wrong on two counts. First, an individual mandate is almost certainly the kind of economic activity that the Court would uphold under Congress's Commerce Clause authority under Raich, Lopez, and United States v. Morrison. These cases allow Congress to regulate activities that have a "substantial effect" on interstate commerce, and they look to the commercial nature of the activity and to the connection between the activity and interstate commerce (among other considerations). An individual mandate is almost surely commercial in nature--in requiring folks to buy health insurance, it requires a commercial exchange. Rivkin and Casey argue that the mandate is not commercial in nature, because it's triggered simply by "being an American." This may be true, but it misses the point of the regulation: It requires Americans to engage in a commercial exchange. This is the definition of commerce.

Moreover, the individual mandate is closely related to interstate commerce. The whole argument for an individual mandate is to get health care consumers to internalize their costs, and not spread them to the larger interstate economy. A health insurance mandate is almost certainly within Congress's Commerce Clause powers, whether Congress calls it an "excise tax" or something else.

Second, Rivkin and Casey misunderstand the Taxing Power. Congress can adopt an excise tax to an end that is within its other constitutional powers, as here. But even if Congress is acting outside its other articulated powers, the Court has interpreted the Taxing Power quite broadly, all but eliminating any distinction between a "penalty" and revenue-producing "tax." See United States v. Kahriger (upholding a federal tax on gambling under Congress's Taxing Power) (overturned on other grounds).

The Supreme Court may be on a path to limiting congressional authority under the Commerce Clause, the Taxing Clause, or any clause. But even so, the individual mandate all too squarely falls within the recent and settled jurisprudence.
 

fogtender

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To have a mandatory payment to be an American in it's own merit is just wrong.

If you don't want to pay taxes, you don't work or make enough to qualify

If you don't want to pay for auto insurance, take the bus or walk

But to breath air as an American and have to pay for it won't fly.....
 

brazospete

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They thought they could spray clouds out of airplanes since 1999 and nobody would admit seeing it and they were right .......still are!
 

jimbo

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I am no consitutional authority, but I have read it more than once. IMO, there are two parts of the constitution that apply to this subject, and many others.

The tenth amendment limits the powers of the federal government to those specifically granted by the constitution and reverts all other powers to the states. Some of the usurpution of jurisdiction not granted to the federal government are education, government created labor monopolies, health care, pork barrel spending, and regulation of the market system. Congress generally has authority of interstate, not intrastate regulation.

The general welfare clause, gives the federal government the power to promote the general welfare. The early founders of the country cautioned agaiinst a broad interpretation of this clause. Today, however, congress and the executive branch, which care little about the constitution (see above Akaka quote), often justify their actions with this clause, and interpret it to mean that they can do anything that will allow them to buy votes. I do not believe that the federal government has the right to do much of what they do, including the whole health care debacle.
 
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