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Catavenger

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This is my contention:

No one can prove or disprove a negative:
I will put up some examples (leaving off against the against the odds outcomes).

This is something that is often the speculation of science fiction.
Yes it might make for a great story but my contention is it can neither be proven nor dis proven.

1) What if Germany could have developed the A-Bomb long before the Americans?

Many stories have the Germans (and Japanese) winning the war and taking over the world. The USA would be a NAZI dictatorship, there would be Concentration Camps . . . ( I think you get the idea).

But is this really what would have happened?
I will leave out the more against the odds outcomes like Hitler crosses the street to celebrate and gets hit by a truck -KABOOM -lights out.


If, and this is not ridiculous speculation, they only had a couple bombs, like the USA had in 1945. Perhaps even with an A-Bomb it would have taken sometime for Germany to mass the troops and invade the USA. They still would need to finish off Great Britain.
In this time the USA might rush some kind of bomb, bacteriological warfare or something else.
Or perhaps they invade the USA and are so ground down by guerilla warfare that they eventually lose.

2) When Hitler was young he wanted to be a successful artist. What if Hitler had become a successful artist.
Would Stalin have invaded Europe?
Would he have won?

I can think of hundreds of scenarios.
My contentions is since some happened or didn't happen how can anyone prove the opposite?

Now Obama says he would have beaten Trump. https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-says-beaten-trump-hed-202800318.html
True? Or just more egotistical ranting of the President?
 
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EastTexFrank

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Now Obama says he would have beaten Trump. https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-says-beaten-trump-hed-202800318.html
True? Or just more egotistical ranting of the President?

He's quite possibly right. He could well have beaten Trump. His personal popularity is still, for some inexplicable reason, sky high. But, as in the previous post, his opinion is irrelevant since he can't run for a third term. So, let him keep his delusions and hopefully let him lead a long, prosperous and SILENT life from here on.

What bothers me more is what is he is going to put in his Presidential Library. We don't know anything, or at least very little, about his past, all his records are sealed by court order, he did nothing before politics and achieved nothing while in office. His Library should be a series of empty rooms with a sign above the doors saying, "This site is still under construction".

I can't wait to see the plans for the Donald J. Trump Presidential Library, Casino and Golf Club built somewhere in Florida. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 

tiredretired

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The Japs and Germans would have had their hands full with all the gun toting Americans. The Patriots would have been well armed. The Japs knew it too, with the gun behind every blade of grass comment by Admiral Yamamoto.

As for the has been president running his mouth that he could have won had he been able to run? Shoulda, woulda, coulda bullshit. I have always hated that kind of talk. Meaningless bullshit is all it is. Coming from him, it is not surprising.

22 Days and a wake up and the nightmare on Pennsylvania Ave. is over.
 

zekeusa

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That's a lot of What If's Catvenger. Maybe there wouldn't have been a cold war and we would have fought the Russians after Germany was crushed. Germany had a bomber that would reach us. I don't know how close they were to an atomic bomb. They would have to bomb Russia and bomb us and there would have been a nuclear winter. The Russians were coming. Hitler made too many bad decisions.
 

Doc

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catman said:
1) What if Germany could have developed the A-Bomb long before the Americans?

Interesting. I just watched a WWII deadly missions story on Smithsonian channel and this one was about the heavy water plant that Germany had in place and working. Had this mission failed the outcome of WWII could have been much different.

The plant was in Norway and a team of Norwegians took out the plant. Amazing how they got to it. Seems like the hand of God helped the two parts of the team meet up as when they parachuted in they were off course by 20 miles. They were meeting the other half of the team that had been undercover in the area for 6 months. They all wore British uniforms in case they were captured. Last time when Norwegians were captured the Germans destroyed the town they were from so they did not want to have that happen again.

In the bitter cold they traveled to the plant and scaled a huge gorge to get to the target. Amazingly they got the job done without losing a man. Watching this it is easy to believe God was on our side.
 

MrLiberty

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Interesting. I just watched a WWII deadly missions story on Smithsonian channel and this one was about the heavy water plant that Germany had in place and working. Had this mission failed the outcome of WWII could have been much different.

The plant was in Norway and a team of Norwegians took out the plant. Amazing how they got to it. Seems like the hand of God helped the two parts of the team meet up as when they parachuted in they were off course by 20 miles. They were meeting the other half of the team that had been undercover in the area for 6 months. They all wore British uniforms in case they were captured. Last time when Norwegians were captured the Germans destroyed the town they were from so they did not want to have that happen again.

In the bitter cold they traveled to the plant and scaled a huge gorge to get to the target. Amazingly they got the job done without losing a man. Watching this it is easy to believe God was on our side.


Good movie was made about this event, The Hero's of Telemark With Kirk Douglas and Richard Harris I think.
 

EastTexFrank

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As for the has been president running his mouth that he could have won had he been able to run? Shoulda, woulda, coulda bullshit. I have always hated that kind of talk. Meaningless bullshit is all it is. Coming from him, it is not surprising.

I agree. It only reinforces what I've known for the past 8-years .... neither he or his wife have any CLASS.
 

Catavenger

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That's my point Obama's "What if" is meaningless.
I believe Obama could have beat Trump - if Obama wasn't such a lousy president.
 

mla2ofus

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Well, on the campaign trail for the bitch he made the brag his legacy was on the ballot, but that didn't seem to help the bitch. And he didn't regain the house and senate, lost a shitload of state house and senate seats along with quite a few governorships. Quite a legacy if you ask me!!
Mike
 

Danang Sailor

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Scenario 2 would never have happened; he had less talent than I do and I have trouble drawing flies on a hot day!
 
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