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Chavez (the dictator) & what's going on in the USA.

bczoom

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The bolding in the article below is mine.

This sounds a lot like what many want to do to our country. It's based on Socialism.


Source

CARACAS, Venezuela — A congress wholly loyal to President Hugo Chavez approved a law Wednesday granting the Venezuelan leader authority to enact sweeping measures by presidential decree.

Meeting at a downtown plaza in a session that resembled a political rally, lawmakers unanimously approved all four articles of the law by a show of hands.

"Long live the sovereign people! Long live President Hugo Chavez! Long live socialism!" said National Assembly President Cilia Flores as she proclaimed the law approved. "Fatherland, socialism or death! We will prevail!"

Chavez, who is beginning a fresh six-year term, says the legislation will be the start of a new era of "maximum revolution" during which he will consolidate Venezuela's transformation into a socialist society. His critics, however, are calling it a radical lurch toward authoritarianism by a leader with unchecked power.

Hundreds of Chavez supporters wearing red — the color of Venezuela's ruling party — gathered in the plaza, waving signs reading "Socialism is democracy" as lawmakers read out passages of the law giving Chavez special powers for 18 months to transform 11 broadly defined areas, including the economy, energy and defense.

"The people of Venezuela, not just the National Assembly, are giving this enabling power to the president of the republic," said congresswoman Iris Varela, addressing the crowd.

Lawmakers discussed the law by each of its four articles, approving one after the other by a show of hands. At the end, they stood and cheered.

Chavez, a former paratroop commander who easily won re-election in December, has said he will use the law to decree nationalizations of Venezuela's largest telecommunications company and the electricity sector, slap new taxes on the rich and impose greater state control over the oil and natural gas industries.

The law also allows Chavez to dictate unspecified measures to transform state institutions; reform banking, tax, insurance and financial regulations; decide on security and defense matters such as gun regulations and military organization; and "adapt" legislation to ensure "the equal distribution of wealth" as part of a new "social and economic model."

Chavez plans to reorganize regional territories and carry out reforms aimed at bringing "power to the people" through thousands of newly formed Communal Councils, in which Venezuelans will have a say on spending an increasing flow of state money on neighborhood projects from public housing to road repaving.

Chavez's opponents, however, argue the law dangerously concentrates power in the hands of single man.

"If you have all the power, why do you need more power?" said Luis Gonzalez, a high school teacher who paused to watch in the plaza, calling it a "media show" intended to give legitimacy to a repugnant move. "We're headed toward a dictatorship, disguised as a democracy."

Chavez supporters said the law will help align the country's government and economy for a swift move toward a more egalitarian society.

"That law is going to allow the president to accelerate the process so that government becomes more efficient," said Ruperta Garcia, a 52-year-old university professor in the crowd.

Vice President Jorge Rodriguez ridiculed the idea that the law is an abuse of power and argued democracy is flourishing. He thanked the National Assembly for providing "gasoline" to start up the "engine" of societal changes.

"What kind of a dictatorship is this?" Rodriguez asked the crowd, saying the law "only serves to sow democracy and peace."

"Dictatorship is what there used to be," Rodriguez said. "We want to impose the dictatorship of a true democracy."

Historian Ines Quintero said that with the new powers, Chavez will achieve a level of "hegemony" that is unprecedented in Venezuela's nearly five decades of democratic history.

Chavez has requested special powers twice before, but for more modest legislative changes.

In 1999, shortly after he was first elected, he was only able to push through two new taxes and a revision of the income tax law after facing fierce opposition in congress. In 2001, by invoking an "enabling law" for the second time, he decreed 49 laws including controversial agrarian reform measures and a law that sharply raised taxes on foreign oil companies operating in Venezuela.

This time, the law will give Chavez a free hand to bring under state control some oil and natural gas projects that are still run by private companies — the latest in a series of nationalist energy policies in Venezuela, a top oil supplier to the United States and home to South America's largest gas reserves.

Chavez has said oil companies upgrading heavy oil in the Orinoco River basin — British Petroleum PLC, Exxon Mobil Corp., Chevron Corp., ConocoPhillips Co., Total SA and Statoil ASA — must submit to state-controlled joint ventures, as companies have already done elsewhere in the country.

The law gives Chavez the authority to intervene and "regulate" the transition to joint ventures if companies do not adapt to the new framework within an unspecified "peremptory period."
 

waybomb

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Ya, all the "needy" people need this. How about find a job and pay your own way?

They would not need heat if we sent them to Mexico.

Ha! Idea! Another platform I can run. For every working mexican we let in / take in, we trade with Mexico one of our lazy-ass-democrat-funded bums! We'd save a ton on entitlements, we'd get hard working people that pay taxes and contribute, and then provide the democrats with absolutely no way to buy votes! We could take all that extra money we'd have and start drilling for oil everywhere it could be found, extract oil from the shale and sands, and build about a dozen refineries, ending the crap in the middle east.
 

RoadKing

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waybomb said:
Ya, all the "needy" people need this. How about find a job and pay your own way?

They would not need heat if we sent them to Mexico.

Ha! Idea! Another platform I can run. For every working mexican we let in / take in, we trade with Mexico one of our lazy-ass-democrat-funded bums! We'd save a ton on entitlements, we'd get hard working people that pay taxes and contribute, and then provide the democrats with absolutely no way to buy votes! We could take all that extra money we'd have and start drilling for oil everywhere it could be found, extract oil from the shale and sands, and build about a dozen refineries, ending the crap in the middle east.



Ya got my vote!!!!:a1:
 

elsmitro

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waybomb said:
Ya, all the "needy" people need this. How about find a job and pay your own way?

They would not need heat if we sent them to Mexico.

Ha! Idea! Another platform I can run. For every working mexican we let in / take in, we trade with Mexico one of our lazy-ass-democrat-funded bums! We'd save a ton on entitlements, we'd get hard working people that pay taxes and contribute, and then provide the democrats with absolutely no way to buy votes! We could take all that extra money we'd have and start drilling for oil everywhere it could be found, extract oil from the shale and sands, and build about a dozen refineries, ending the crap in the middle east.
Tell it like it is Fred! :thumb:

Yep, we should be drilling all up and down our coastlines! Why oppose it? Because you don’t want to see it when you’re at the beach? That’s an elitist way of looking at it; I would see it as the enabler; it enabled me (and many like me) to be able to afford to go on vacation (and drive to work). If we had several clean refineries on each coast we could handle ‘disasters’ in one area without much fluctuation in price across the country. I’m all for nuclear power too. The whole “friends of coal” and “clean burning coal” is a bunch of crap! The coal companies are a bunch of political / media master minds. They throw $ at the politicians and TV ads at us in an attempt to make us think they are tree huggers. Just take a look at all the mountaintops they have pushed into the valleys, lakes, and streams. And, what about all the displaced people and wildlife that have lived on and around those mountains for generations. Not to mention all the pollution it all causes. When the coal runs out so do the coal companies; then all the people that were supporting the coal companies are left uneducated and jobless. That seems to be the way most of the current democrats in power seem to like people though. I know there have been some really good democrats. I remember my Mamaw telling me (when I was a kid) that she didn’t like democrats, but that my Dad was a good one. I just don’t know if we will ever have another GOOD politician again. Even people that have the best of intentions in mind become corrupt or don’t get anywhere. They all do what’s best for the pocket book instead of what’s best for humanity.
 

California

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MadReferee said:
If I'm not mistaken, he sounds a lot like Adolf Hitler.:confused2:
I think there's a close parallel. Germany was devastated by WWI, by the reparation debts imposed on it by the victors, and then was made even worse by the depression. Hitler essentially said we don't have to put up with this, and the average man in the street saw him as the only one offering a way out of the mess they were in.

Chavez's appeal is similar. Venezuela has a very small wealthy class, a small middle class who are doing ok, but less well year to year, and a majority of people whose lives have gotten worse while they know the government rakes in vast oil revenue. Chavez promised to share it with them, and they love him.

I've been trying to figure him out for a couple of years. Nearest I can tell, he talks Simon Bolivar (leader of the war of independence for the northern SA nations), but acts like an Abbie Hoffman / Jerry Rubin loonie radical. Maybe even some Cheech & Chong humor in there. He has huge local popularity, especially when he's mooning Bush.

It remains to be seen if Ecuador and Bolivia, which recently elected radical presidents, will form an alliance with him or make their own choices. Also, how close he will get to Castro. For now I think he just enjoys stirring up mischef with the oil fortune he controls. I expect he will be around for a while.

May you live in interesting times...
 

jdwilson44

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Out here in MA we have commercials on TV with Joe Kennedy on the bow of an oil tanker talking about the affordable heating oil "from our friends in Venezuala".

Thanks - but no thanks Joe. One of my biggest disappointments is that the Kennedy clan's propensity for killing themselves off one way or another has not reached down to Joe Kennedy and Ted Kennedy.
 

California

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JD,

As we puzzle over what does Chavez really want - here's another piece of the puzzle, buried in a quote from Chalmers Johnson over in your post to the 'China Debt' thread.

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"[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Professionally, I am a specialist in the history and politics of East Asia. In 2000, I published Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, because my research on China, Japan, and the two Koreas persuaded me that our policies there would have serious future consequences. The book was noticed at the time, but only after 9/11 did the CIA term I adapted for the title – "blowback" – become a household word and my volume a bestseller. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]I had set out to explain how exactly our government came to be so hated around the world. As a CIA term of tradecraft, "blowback" does not just mean retaliation for things our government has done to, and in, foreign countries. It refers specifically to retaliation for illegal operations carried out abroad that were kept totally secret from the American public. These operations have included the clandestine overthrow of governments various administrations did not like, the training of foreign militaries in the techniques of state terrorism, the rigging of elections in foreign countries, interference with the economic viability of countries that seemed to threaten the interests of influential American corporations, as well as the torture or assassination of selected foreigners. The fact that these actions were, at least originally, secret meant that when retaliation does come – as it did so spectacularly on September 11, 2001 – the American public is incapable of putting the events in context.

[/FONT]----end quote.[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]
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Venezuela was a relatively independent American nation (yes, the South Americans feel they have a claim to that term, too) until the US oil companies invested there.

Many Venezuelans feel that their previous politicians were bribed by U.S. corporations to sell their oil too cheap, and that Chavez is now going to make it right for them. Right or wrong, that is what we are facing.


Also, we need to think about him in the context that most of what we see is grandstanding, posturing, to maintain the enthusiasm of his own supporters in-country.
 

California

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And in Bolivia, the same issues are at work.

The locals out in the oil-producing states think their corrupt politicians sold their natural resources too cheap so they are protesting.

Yahoo News: Bolivian protesters shut down pipeline

Why does all this matter? Because Chavez and his allies can choke our non-Arab oil sources. I see these moves as an early warning of more issues ahead.
 
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