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Corona Virus spreading ... US official says no need to worry

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I couldn't find any reports of ivermectin usage being stopped. Only reports of hydroxychloroquine and antibiotics (like azithromycin) being discontinued. https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/health/ivermectin-for-covid-19-is-india-overusing-76963
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As stated, I'm getting mixed information from the ground inside India. Please also see my latest post saying that they have not even started yet and starting may be imminent.


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And now you can get a vaccine and join the lifestyles of the rich and famous, if you live in Ohio.

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Registration for Ohio’s ‘vax-a-million’ vaccine lottery begins

While Ohioans began registering Tuesday morning for a chance to win millions by getting the COVID-19 vaccine, state lawmakers continued to criticize the idea, with one saying Gov. Mike DeWine should end it immediately.
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Registration for Ohio’s ‘vax-a-million’ vaccine lottery begins​

by J.D. Davidson, The Center Square ​
| May 19, 2021 07:00 PM​
While Ohioans began registering Tuesday morning for a chance to win millions by getting the COVID-19 vaccine, state lawmakers continued to criticize the idea, with one saying Gov. Mike DeWine should end it immediately.​
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Those vaccinated started registering on a website to be one of five winners of a $1 million or five full, four-year college scholarship in what the Ohio Department of Health is calling an innovative public outreach campaign.​
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DeWine’s "Vax-a-Million" lottery incentives use unspent federal COVID-19 relief money to fund the prizes, and they come at a time when the state plans to end nearly all pandemic health restrictions June 2.​
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“For a year, Ohioans have made sacrifices to save lives and keep our state moving forward. What you have done has really worked! And now, we have a powerful weapon that is almost 100 percent effective in beating the virus," DeWine said in his remarks. "Simply put, the vaccine is stronger and better than medical experts ever imagined. And now, everyone 12 and over can use it to protect themselves – to put an invisible shield of protection around themselves. Everyone can now control their own health – their own destiny.”​
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Eligibility for the lotteries is for those who have yet to receive a dose of the vaccine but do so during the period of time they are in place and those who have completed the vaccine protocols. The Ohio Department of Health verifies the vaccine information of winners.​
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A winner must be a permanent resident of Ohio, be at least 12 years old and have received at least one dose of a vaccine before the drawing date. A person in jail or prison for a felony conviction is ineligible, along with employees of the lottery commission, department of health and the governor’s office or be related to those employees.​
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While DeWine and health department officials see the lotteries as a creative way to encourage more people to get vaccinated, state lawmakers have been critical of the use of taxpayer money.​
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Rep. Shane Wilkin, R-Hillsboro, praised DeWine’s decision to end the majority of the pandemic restrictions, but he also said the vaccine lottery unfairly picks winners and losers.​
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“As happy as I am to hear the governor’s announcement to lift the restrictions and anticipate him signing House Bill 215, The Business Fairness Act, into law as soon as it is presented to him to protect Ohio’s businesses, I was nothing short of stunned to learn of the vaccine lottery,” Wilkin said. “As a member of the Controlling Board, to use these federal funds in this manner was neither outlined nor explained in any funding request and, without a doubt, was not expected. While the restrictions implemented last summer unfairly hurt Ohio’s small community businesses by picking winners and losers, this lottery is doing the exact same thing. The Governor should reconsider this decision and immediately rescind the program.”​
 
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What do you mean by your getting mixed info "from the ground inside India"...... Do you know people in India who've told you this?
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ivermectin is actually rolling out now in Goa, as of the past 24 hours. 2 other states are doing the same.

One state has reversed its decision, they will not roll out ivermectin. A new minister was put into place on May 7, he reversed the policy announced by the prior administration.
 
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One state has reversed its decision, they will not roll out ivermectin. A new minister was put into place on May 7, he reversed the policy announced by the prior administration.
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HMMM, sounds like something that happened here!!
 
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HMMM, sounds like something that happened here!!
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This is an Op-Ed published in an Indian news source. I don't trust the timeline laid out by the doctor/author either. But at very least it does give some information on the rollout of Ivermectin.

I will NOTE, for accuracy, on May 10 (11 days ago) the state of Goa announced a policy to give Ivermectin to all residents saying they were ordering supplies of Ivermectin. Then on May 17 (4 days ago) the state of Goa announced they would BEGIN to roll out Ivermectin within 48 hours. So today is May 21, and Goa has begun to distribute Ivermectin to all its citizens but not all have received and started taking the doses.

Therefore, with that timeline, the explanation given for the miracle of Ivermectin is somewhat bizarre as the cases started dropping BEFORE widespread distribution of Ivermectin.

There was SOME independent usage of Ivermectin, prescribed 'off label' by local physicians. So SOME Ivermectin was being used, but nobody will be able to statistically be able to tie it to the drop in cases because it is unclear how much was in use.


www.thedesertreview.com

Ivermectin crushes Delhi cases

Delhi Cases Drop After Ivermectin Added
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Ivermectin crushes Delhi cases​

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Just three weeks after adding Ivermectin, Delhi now leads India out of the deadly second surge of the COVID pandemic. Cases that had peaked at 28,395 on April 20 plummeted nearly 80% to just 6,430 on May 15. Deaths peaked May 4, and now they are also down 25%.​
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On May 10, the Indian State of Goa adopted an even more ambitious policy of preemptive Ivermectin for all adults in the state. The Chief Minister of Goa is Dr. Pramod Sawant, a progressive 49-year-old physician persuaded by science. In particular, he read Dr. Pierre Kory's Dr. Tess Lawrie's and Dr. Andrew Hill's robust meta-analyses. As a direct result, Goa has seen a drop in cases from 3,124 the day after the announcement to 1,314 five days later.​
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Meanwhile, three other Indian states have followed Goa's lead in adding Ivermectin: Uttarkhand, Karnataka, and Uttar Pradesh. And, as expected, they have seen a drop in new daily cases as well, with Uttar Pradesh down nearly 75% from a peak of 37,944 just four days after they began following the April 20 AIIMS guidance to just 10,505 on May 16. ​
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The tragic story in all this is that the Indian state of Tamil Nadu installed a new leader on May 7, 2021. He suddenly reversed their state's decision to adopt Ivermectin. Readers of my book all know about Peruvian President Sagasti's fateful decision to outlaw Ivermectin. Before taking power, the COVID deaths had dropped 14 fold to almost nothing with Ivermectin use. However after Sagasti was elected, Ivermectin was stopped, and deaths roared back at 13 fold.​
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Peru paid the price in skyrocketing cases and 78,000 preventable deaths. Tamil Nadu's Chief Minister, MK Stalin, also chose to forgo Ivermectin. Instead, he ordered tens of thousands of doses of Remdesivir, a drug that sells for 3,000 dollars per dose. So now Tamil Nadu's cases are rocketing as well.​
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In contrast to Goa's young physician Chief Minister who had read the latest science on Ivermectin's dramatic effect on reducing COVID death, MK Stalin is a 68-year-old non-physician socialist and atheist who is towing the party line by forbidding Ivermectin.​
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Stalin now requests allocations for some 20,000 daily doses of Remdesivir for the Tamil Nadu citizens despite the science that shows no reduction in COVID death with this drug. Remdesivir is an anti-viral agent given late in the disease, only after hospitalization when the Cytokine storm has set in and when anti-virals have lost their effectiveness. ​
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At that later stage, steroids, anticoagulants, and oxygen are crucially important. Also, Ivermectin has shown a remarkable ability to reduce inflammation at that stage, with some being liberated from the ventilator with just one dose. ​
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Tamil Nadu cases have continued to rise from April 20 to May 15. During the same time, Delhi's cases eased 78% while Tamil Nadu's cases tripled. ​
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Twenty thousand doses of Remdesivir cost 60 million dollars, while 20,000 doses of Ivermectin go for a few hundred. Where is a developing country getting the 60 million dollars a day to purchase the Remdesivir? Why is their leader throwing away a cheap drug, Ivermectin, that has saved lives in other countries?​
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Why would Stalin choose money over lives?​
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As a humanitarian and a board-certified practicing physician, I know we can influence other Indian states to adopt Ivermectin. With the help of groups like C19, the FLCCC, and the EBMC led by scientists of the caliber of Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. George Fareed, Dr. Pierre Kory, and Dr. Tess Lawrie, let us all join together to get the word out. Ivermectin must be instituted globally to end not just the carnage in India but for the rest of the world. ​
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This is life-saving information that everyone must learn now about how this Nobel Prize-winning drug, Ivermectin, can immediately bring an end to the pandemic. Tamil Nadu citizens have a right to know the truth. It is everyone’s human right to access it, and it is a drug for all of humanity. So help us fight the corruption and censorship. Please share the book, Ivermectin for the World.​
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The opinion that Covid escaped from a Wuhan lab is no longer considered a "debunked hoax" and is now, according to politifact, unsettled.

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PolitiFact removes 2020 report stating theory that COVID leaked for Wuhan lab 'debunked conspiracy'

PolitiFact added an editor's note Monday retracting the "pants on fire" claim.
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PolitiFact removes 2020 report stating theory that COVID leaked for Wuhan lab 'debunked conspiracy'​

PolitiFact added an editor's note Monday retracting the "pants on fire" claim.​

PolitiFact, a Pulitzer Prize winning fact check group, has retracted a September 2020 report calling a Hong Kong virologist's analysis that COVID-19 originated in a lab a "debunked conspiracy theory."

"The claim is inaccurate and ridiculous," the original fact check reads, according to The Epoch Times. "We rate it Pants on Fire!"

An editor's note Monday said the group has removed but archived the original statement.

"When this fact-check was first published ... PolitiFact’s sources included researchers who asserted the SARS-CoV-2 virus could not have been manipulated. That assertion is now more widely disputed. For that reason, we are removing this fact-check from our database pending a more thorough review. Currently, we consider the claim to be unsupported by evidence and in dispute."

Some of the new evidence is include in a report by Republicans on the Democrat-controlled House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence that point to a possible leak in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China.
 
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Obesity is becoming more and more recognized as THE leading co-morbidity In the United States, while total deaths from Covid (as of the most recent data I see, so probably 96+ hours old). Initially the co-morbidity reports were listing diseases like asthma, lung disease, pulmonary hypertension, diabetes, cancer, etc. The patient's weight was often listed as a minor factor but it seems to me more of a recognized problem, and excess weight may well be a larger risk factor than people realized.

0-17 years old - 287 deaths
18-29 years old - 2163 deaths
20-39 years old - 6299 deaths
40-49 years old - 16,987 deaths
50-65 years old - 87, 915 deaths
65-74 years old - 125,939 deaths
75-84 years old - 156,777 deaths
85+ years old - 171,686 deaths

Oddly the official numbers, at age 50 to go 64, which is a 15 year span of data. After that it goes to 10 year data. Prior to that it is a primarily 10 year data. So I'm not sure why the 50-64 bracket uses a different term.
 
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You can spread alt-right hyperbole all day. Though it is Increasingly common for Republicans to repeat lies over and over and over again, it will never make them the truth. Watch the actual conversation between Paul and Fauci below:. https://www.axios.com/fauci-rand-pa...rus-eff1bb08-f6c7-4d63-b170-c49e87c2e3dd.html
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I don't believe the lying can all be attributed to repubs. Again I bring up adam schiff's 2 1/2 yrs of lying about overwhelming proof of russian collusion not to mention many other dems lying about the same subject. Don't throw stones in a glass house, crakhed!!
 
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I don't believe the lying can all be attributed to repubs. Again I bring up adam schiff's 2 1/2 yrs of lying about overwhelming proof of russian collusion not to mention many other dems lying about the same subject. Don't throw stones in a glass house, crakhed!!
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And yet a Republican dominated Senate came to the same conclusions about Donald's Russian collusion. So, who was lying? https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...sia-collusion-and-trump-pardoned-the-colluder
 
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I'm reminding everyone that this area of our forum is NOT the Debate forum. Stay on topic.
 
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Full story at ZeroHedge, but the Olympic Games were already postponed from 2020 to 2021. Did the USA just doom the games?

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US State Dept Issues "Do Not Travel" Advisory For Japan As Calls To Cancel Olympics Intensify​

Update (1340ET): Shortly after the warnings from Masa-san and news (below) of Japan's push for a amass vaccination program, the US State Department has cranked up the pressure to '11' by issuing a Level 4 Travel Advisory for visitors to Japan.​
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"Do not travel to Japan due to COVID-19."​
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued a Level 4 Travel Health Notice for Japan due to COVID-19, indicating a very high level of COVID-19 in the country. There are restrictions in place affecting U.S. citizen entry into Japan. Visit the Embassy's COVID-19 page for more information on COVID-19 in Japan.​
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So the question is - will the US send their athletes?​
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Much to the chagrin of Japan's political leaders, worsening COVID-19 cases are prompting more critics, including SoftBank Chairman Masayoshi Son (one of the country's most high-profile businessmen), to warn that the Olympics should be canceled as hospitals in the country's second-largest city, Osaka, struggle to treat a huge wave of hospitalized patients as Japan becomes the latest Asian nation to fall victim to a new wave of the virus.​
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The western Japanese region of Osaka is home to 9 million people, and is suffering the brunt of what Reuters described as Japan's "fourth wave of the pandemic."​
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Only half of the region's medical staff are vaccinated, which "underscores the challenge of hosting a major global sports event in two months time," Reuters added.​
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"Simply put, this is a collapse of the medical system," said Yuji Tohda, the director of Kindai University Hospital in Osaka.​
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STORY CONTINUES at the link above!​
 
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Two things to note, first, despite the concerns about travel to Japan, the US Olympic and ParaOlympic Committee issued a statement that they beleive the US athletes can safely compete in the games under the planned protocols.

And, secondly we may finally find out if Ivermectin works, in a real clinical trial, thanks to the University of Minnesota.

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Covid-19 News : Controversial ivermectin added to University of Minnesota COVID-19 drug trial​

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The University of Minnesota is conducting the nation’s first randomized trial of a controversial anti-parasite drug that has a fervent U.S. following and is being used on the black market against COVID-19 across the globe.​
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Ivermectin is being added to an ongoing trial in which U researchers hope to find a rare outpatient therapy that can prevent infection with the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 from resulting in hospitalization, long-term complications or death.​
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The research comes amid declining pandemic activity in Minnesota, where vaccinations have helped to cut the daily number of infections by half over the past two weeks and dropped the number of COVID-19 hospitalizations below 400 for the first time since late March. However, U researchers said treatments are needed in parts of the world where vaccine access is lacking and in pockets of the U.S. and Minnesota where refusal to get shots could result in localized outbreaks.​
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“Not everybody has access to the vaccine, whereas these medications are existing generics, already FDA-approved, that are available in most pharmacies around the world,” said Dr. Carolyn Bramante, a U internal medicine specialist leading the national trial. “If we find evidence of benefit, [the drugs] could be used immediately anywhere.”​
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U research already has shown possible benefits of metformin, usually used to manage diabetes, in reducing COVID-19 illness and death in women. But now researchers will compare its effectiveness against ivermectin as well as fluvoxamine, an antidepressant. The U started recruiting up to 1,100 patients 30 or older last week to receive one of the drugs, alone or in combination with metformin, or a non-medicating placebo for comparison.​
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Effectiveness will primarily be measured by whether patients suffer hypoxia — severe oxygen deficiency.​
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Proven medications against COVID-19 have been lacking, especially those that could be used on an outpatient basis to prevent severe illness. The U was among the first to test hydroxychloroquine — an antiviral championed last year by former President Donald Trump and his supporters — only to conclude that it didn’t substantially prevent infection or symptom onset.​
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Ivermectin has been advocated by a handful of U.S. medical groups and believers, and by some in India, South Africa and other countries in the absence of vaccine. No large clinical trials have proved effectiveness, though, and manufacturer Merck issued a statement in February discouraging its clinical use against COVID-19. The FDA also discourages use of the drug outside of a study.​
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Bramante said ivermectin has anti-inflammatory benefits that need closer study to see if it inhibits the overreaction to infection by the immune system that can cause severe COVID-19 symptoms.​
The Rainwater Charitable Foundation that provided $1 million for the U trial had interest in studying ivermectin and sponsored a similar trial in Brazil.​
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“Serious physicians who help care for people with COVID-19 around the world need high-quality data to make decisions,” said Dr. David Boulware, a U infectious disease expert who is advising the trial and led the hydroxychloroquine studies. He added that he would be “ecstatic” if ivermectin works, but that the results one way or another will be meaningful.​
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Minnesota’s 396 COVID-19 hospitalizations on Thursday represented a substantial drop from 699 on April 14 — but the total remains well above the low mark this year of 210 on March 6. The seven-day average of daily infections dropped from 1,409 on May 7 to 679 on Friday.​
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Mayo Clinic modeling suggests the latest COVID-19 wave would have been far worse if not for the state’s vaccination efforts. Minnesota reported on Friday that more than 2.8 million people have received at least a first dose and more than 2.4 million have completed the one- or two-dose series.​
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The vaccine progress means that 62.7% of Minnesotans 16 and older have received shots, bringing the state closer to its 70% goal by July 1. The state’s data for the first time Friday included shots that Minnesotans received in Iowa. Minnesota already has reported shots administered in Wisconsin and North Dakota, but not in other states unless recipients reported them to local providers or the state’s immunization tracking system.​
Vaccination coverage remains spotty, though, raising the potential for localized outbreaks that will benefit from better treatments. The first-dose vaccination rate varies from 72% in Hennepin County to 37% in Benton County.​
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Metformin and fluvoxamine were identified by U modeling that started last spring by assuming that this coronavirus would behave like the one that caused the 2003 SARS pandemic. The model appears “seven for seven” in predicting drugs such as remdesivir that work, or drugs such as hydroxychloroquine that don’t work, said David Odde, a U biomedical engineer who led the modeling.​
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The modeling made no recommendation on ivermectin, because it was focused on specific moments in the life cycle of the virus that are affected by other drugs, Odde said.​
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The U trial is challenging, because clinicians suspect that the drugs work best when provided as early as possible. Recruits must have had positive test results within three days, and the goal is to ship overnight study medications to them so they will start taking them within seven days.​
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Promoters of ivermectin seized on social media posts about perceived weaknesses in the trial, with some fearing that it wouldn’t provide medications quickly enough to prove the actual effectiveness of the drug. Others said they wouldn’t enroll given only a 1 in 3 chance of receiving ivermectin — and a 17% chance of receiving a placebo.​
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Bramante said supporters of ivermectin should want to participate if they suffer infections, because it is the only U.S. randomized clinical trial seeking to prove that it works.​
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“Even if they don’t get it,” she said, “they’re really contributing to the science around ivermectin.”​
 
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Ohio's Vax-a-Million lottery boosts Covid-19 vaccination rate, governor says | CNN

A chance to win a $1 million prize has helped boost Ohio's Covid-19 vaccination rate by 45%, Gov. Mike DeWine said Wednesday.
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"A chance to win a $1 million prize has helped boost Ohio's Covid-19 vaccination rate by 45%, Gov. Mike DeWine said Wednesday.
The jump came after Dewine's May 13 announcement of special lotteries offering millions of dollars in giveaways to adults -- and full scholarships to younger Ohioans who get vaccinated."

"The lottery has led to a 94% increase in vaccinations among those aged 16 and 17, DeWine told CNN."

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"...since unveiling the plan, which will award $1 million to five vaccinated adults and a full-ride scholarship to Ohio public colleges to five vaccinated teenagers."

Just my opinion:
I think DeWine should take that $1 million award and divide it into smaller awards. That way, there would be more winning people who would be telling their friends about winning and spreading the word faster than just five people. That might encourage more people to think....Okay, maybe I can win some of that money too and get the vaccine.

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I also heard on the news that some of the public schools in my area are having teams of people come to the schools to administer the vaccine to the students/teachers/staff, etc. That sure makes it easier for the parents. I see this as a promising step in the right direction.
 
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Just my opinion:
I think DeWine should take that $1 million award and divide it into smaller awards. That way, there would be more winning people who would be telling their friends about winning and spreading the word faster than just five people. That might encourage more people to think....Okay, maybe I can win some of that money too and get the vaccine.

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I also heard on the news that some of the public schools in my area are having teams of people come to the schools to administer the vaccine to the students/teachers/staff, etc. That sure makes it easier for the parents. I see this as a promising step in the right direction.
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The idea of breaking up the award into smaller, but still sizable amounts, makes a lot of sense to me.

As for the public school thing, I am a firm believer in vaccine choice. As there is no requirement to be vaccinated to go to school, the VAX-teams should not vaccinate children UNLESS they have a signed permission slip from a parent or legal guardian. Honestly I think it is smart to get the vaccine, but I would not agree with forced vaccination and given that young people statistically don't get very sick from Covid, there is very little compelling reason for people under the age of 45 years old to get vaccinated UNLESS they also have other underlying conditions that elevate their risk factors.
 
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Does everyone understand this vaccine did not go through the normal human trials. WE ARE THE HUMAN TRIAL!!!

Do we know what it does to adolescents?

Do we know what it does to pre-adolescents?

Do we know what it does to childbearing young women?



NOPE!

I get it that we needed to expedite with the vaccine development. Even, to some degree administration to the public citizens. Particularly those at high risk.

But children are very low risk of contracting, or dying from COVID-19. They are also low risk vectors or carriers. That is the known science. This vaccine family has synthetic components of which we know very little.

Our government politicians know even less.

As for effects on pregnancy, conception, birth defects, we know absolutely NOTHING.
 
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the VAX-teams should not vaccinate children UNLESS they have a signed permission slip from a parent or legal guardian.
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They're not going to give the vaccine without parental permission. I don't think giving a vaccine to an underage child without parental permission is even legal.
That's one of the reasons I said..."makes it easier for the parents," because they'll have to be there with their child.
 
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But children are very low risk of contracting, or dying from COVID-19. They are also low risk vectors or carriers.
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Your post seems kind of angry, so I'm a little hesitant to reply.
I believe it's up to the parent of the child to decide whether or not their child gets the vaccine. Some parents may believe that "low risk" without the vaccine is okay. Other parents may choose the extra protection that they believe the vaccine provides and gives their child a little lower risk than not being vaccinated.
 
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