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Can a Person be Good Without God?

Can Human Beings Achieve a Moral & Ethical Life as an Atheist, Agnostic or Humanist?

  • Yes, of course!

    Votes: 15 78.9%

  • Absolutely not without God.

    Votes: 2 10.5%

  • I don't know.

    Votes: 2 10.5%
  • Total voters
    19
Cityboy

Cityboy

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Well, can you?

Is religion required to achieve morality?

Can Atheists, Agnostics and Humanists achieve a loving, moral and ethical life in society today?

What say you, FF membership?
 
joec

joec

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Sure I can Cowboy as the resident atheist live a good life which I have in my opinion tough not in perhaps the pompous among us.
 
loboloco

loboloco

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An atheist or agnostic can be as moral, or more so than a god believer. A humanist, less ethical, because humanism is a religion.
 
joec

joec

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In my opinion Humanism isn't a religion, more like a lack there off, but I could be wrong.
 
mak2

mak2

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I was raised Baptist Taliban. We were taught there was no love that was not given by God, so I dont remember hearing it, but I am sure my church would have thought all goodness was God based too. I remember being told atheist Moms didnt really love their kids. Weird church.
 
Cityboy

Cityboy

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joec said:
In my opinion Humanism isn't a religion, more like a lack there off, but I could be wrong.
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I don't think it is either Joe. Here's a hit I got off Google. It's a very interesting sight, but I make no claim as to it's credibility or accuracy as I am still in the process of learning about Humanism.

http://www.progressiveliving.org/humanism.htm

Humanism is a down-to-earth philosophical movement that represents a turn toward the satisfaction of human needs, both material and spiritual, and the fulfillment of human potential, here and now. Humanism therefore lacks much interest in the supernatural and theological, or in an afterlife.

This doesn't mean that Humanists are necessarily atheists. Though it may come as a shock to some, there are many religious Humanists. (Christians and Humanists alike would do well to keep in mind that there was a time when Christian thinkers like St. Thomas Aquinas consciously incorporated the humanism of Aristotle into Christianity, and that eminent Humanist thinkers like Erasmus were Christians.) Linking religious and secular humanists is the belief that nothing should be accepted on faith. There must always be good evidence for beliefs, religious or otherwise. This is the most fundamental tenet of rationalism. But nothing specific to Humanism precludes belief in God. Indeed, the controversy concerning the existence of God is far less relevant to values than ordinarily supposed.
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loboloco

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Cityboy said:
Lobo, can you expand on this? I was not aware that Humanism was a religion.
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Humanism, uses humanity to replace the godhead as their object of veneration. Based on their actions, intolerance, suppression of alternative viewpoints, insistence that the 'creed' be followed, they meet all the criteria for a religion. A particularly nasty and repressive one at that.
Many who study history, consider Communism, socialism, and humanism to be more religious than political.
Try having a rational discussion with a humanist sometime about the core beliefs he espouses and you will quickly find yourself placed in the position of a heretic.
 
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XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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No one really knows until they die - do they? It's either the truth or the best con-job ever. :unsure:
 
joec

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I agree with you Cityboy as well as Mak. I was raised in a Catholic family on my father's side and a Pentecostal on my mother's side. Now she had a father and 4 brother's that followed in the father's foot steps becoming ministers and a relative of Pat Roberson as well I might add. Now the Catholic side rarely passed judgment, but they practiced there version of religion in a very serious way. As for my mother's side I found it strange really. It seems because my mother sold cosmetics, wore shorter skirts than floor length and was divorced with two children her father blamed her for my tractor accident on his farm. He said it was gods way of punishing her though I was just 12 years old to the day of the accident. I heard that and I begin to question what I thought to be fact. I even took two semesters of religious study in collage but came to the realazaiton I didn't need a god in my life nor wanted one. I never stopped my kids from attending Sunday school or their studies of religion when growing up as I figured they needed to make up their own minds when they grew up. In some cases I suggested that they attend.

Now after traveling the world I saw real suffering in many of the places I visited and say no god that I could understand in it. I do tend to keep my views of gods and religion to myself unless asked directly or in this case a forum discussing it. I don't need saving nor would I want it. I also have no delusions of a life ever lasting as once dead in my opinion it is over and the only way to immorality is through your children. Those are my beliefs in a nut shell on all religions in general and I truly feel they do more harm that they ever did good based on human history.
 
RobsanX

RobsanX

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Yes! I don't even think about God when I'm going about my everyday life, and I think I'm a good egg!
 
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brazospete

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It is a choice to believe or not to believe. If you choose to believe you will be given all the proof YOU need! If you choose not to believe you will be blinded to the truth! If you are not written in The Book Of Life you are damned and when the truth is finally revealed to you it will be Too Late!
 
Cityboy

Cityboy

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loboloco said:
Humanism, uses humanity to replace the godhead as their object of veneration. Based on their actions, intolerance, suppression of alternative viewpoints, insistence that the 'creed' be followed, they meet all the criteria for a religion. A particularly nasty and repressive one at that.
Many who study history, consider Communism, socialism, and humanism to be more religious than political.
Try having a rational discussion with a humanist sometime about the core beliefs he espouses and you will quickly find yourself placed in the position of a heretic.
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Lobo, can you please provide some links to verify this claim? From all I have read about Humanists, I have seen nothing as yet to justify your statement that Humanism is an oppressive religion, or that it is a religion at all. Some of America's founding fathers were considered Humanists; Jefferson and Paine come to mind.

PBinWA said:
No one really knows until they die - do they? It's either the truth or the best con-job ever. :unsure:
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That's the way I see it PB.
 
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brazospete

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There is none righteous no not one for all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of GOD! It doesn't matter if you never murdered someone! If you worked or bought or sold on the Sabbath you are guilty of the LAW! Without a savior you will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity! If you think your self righteous you are lost! Righteousness can only be received as a gift from JESUS! There is no other WAY!
 
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brazospete

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It's not MY righteousness that will get me into Heaven it's not good enough noone's is! Jesus is the only one who fulfilled the Law and has the Authority to cleanse men from unrighteousness!
 
joec

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To me that is a good thing, perhaps only a few here are faith based and unthinking.
 
Cityboy

Cityboy

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brazospete said:
There is none righteous no not one for all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of GOD! It doesn't matter if you never murdered someone! If you worked or bought or sold on the Sabbath you are guilty of the LAW! Without a savior you will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity! If you think your self righteous you are lost! Righteousness can only be received as a gift from JESUS! There is no other WAY!
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Pete, aside from reading what you believe in the Bible, and possibly what you were taught by your parents, which was passed down from their parents, and passed down from their parents, and so on, how can you know this to be true? Like PB siad, there is no way you can really know until you die.

What if you grew up in India as a Hindu, instead of in America as a Christian. What then? You would then think all Christians were Hell bound, or whatever the Hindu's believe. You would be looking forward to your reincarnation instead of looking forward to meeting Jesus, and no steak dinners for you.

If you are right, how did you get so lucky to be born Christian instead of Muslim or any other religion like the billions of other unfortunate humans around the planet?
 
mak2

mak2

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I believe the question was "good" not "saved". Do you really believe no one can be good with being saved by our Jesus?
 
joec

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Well I rented two spaces today but what is the sabbath, Saturday, Sunday what?
 
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brazospete

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What is GOOD? If you steal a loaf of bread because your hungry are you worse than He who drops a bomb on innocent civilians and children in the name of Freedom!
 
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