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I Challenge All The Aviators, Builders and Engineers Here At FF…

Lia

Lia

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…to give me just 90 minutes of your time and attention, and to give your own, every day working knowledge and assessment of the theories put forward, here in this video.

I’m hoping that I have a good enuff reputation for level-headedness on the net, and here at ff, that you will give me the benefit of the doubt, and watch this video (part of a series), which may challenge some pre-conceived acceptance and notions that you all may hold. Or, even that you might be able to add to the theories, or even to challenge them. I know that you will do so with honesty and integrity, because that is what I have come to expect from mostly all of you here.

I’ve directed this post at the Aviators (because the first third of the video relates to aviation concepts, principles, science, and flight dynamics. The second part of the video deals with the principles and science of masonry, building, construction tools and so on…

And the last part deals mainly in engineering, electricity and other things to do with construction. There is, surrounding the whole, a part for the ‘Theologians’ here, to comment upon also. Indeed it does rather challenge some pre-conceived notions on ancient history too; but I hope everyone will take it in the sense of an academic exercise, and give your opinions freely, and honestly, but most of all, with good manners and with an open mind.

Many thanks. :smile:

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Very interesting topic Lia and I will be sure to watch it as soon as I have time. I hope others will as well and share their thoughts as I find this topic very interesting no matter what one's beleifs are . :tiphat:
 
Cowboy said:
Very interesting topic Lia and I will be sure to watch it as soon as I have time. I hope others will as well and share their thoughts as I find this topic very interesting no matter what one's beleifs are . :tiphat:
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Thanks Cowboy. I find it enthralling also... I'll be interested to see what those in the construction business here think of second part of the video. :smile:
 
Well Lia , I got through the video you posted as well as the first episode, and found both very educational and interesting . Lots of information I hadn't been aware of before and I've watched tons of shows on these types of subjects . Lots of questions to be answered for sure . :unsure:

I just cant beleive the skeptics and so called debunkers arguments by saying " Big deal or its just a coinincidence " But I guess everyone has their own agendas and reasoning for being so closed minded . I guess thats just proof right there that not only the ancient egyptians were at least as smart as us , they wern't so stuck on theirselves and closeminded so much they bit their noses off to despite their faces . When it appears to be clear that even with our technology and equipment we have today they say it may very well be imposible to recreate what our ancestors did .

I do wish others would take the time to watch and give their opinions though , not neccesarily about the alien or UFO part which most are afraid to discuss in public unlike a few of us . But more like you addressed in the title to share their thoughts of how things were built without machinery and what the meanings of the aerenotical type artifacts and drawings could mean .


To those out there that do find an interest here is the main index page of all of the series and episodes so you can watch them in order like I plan to do . Now I better get some work done today. :biggrin:


http://www.youtube.com/user/Time4TruthDOTorg#p/a
 
There is a lot of stuff in the Universe that we don't understand.. Until a few Centuries ago, the experts claimed the world was flat and you can sail off the edge of the world.
 
fogtender said:
There is a lot of stuff in the Universe that we don't understand.. Until a few Centuries ago, the experts claimed the world was flat and you can sail off the edge of the world.
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Thats very true Foggy, but what bothers me even more are those that choose to ignore things from the past without even questioning wether theres a posibility there might be something more to it then meets the eye . These videos should at least be interesting to anyone that cares about history or how we got here IMHO, because there are lots ofquestions to be answered.

You dont have to beleive anything , just sort it out and think for yourselves. But to beleive that we are the most inteligent form of life is just keeping a closed mind , once again just my opinion. But thats also why the world is in the shape it is today , because people cant think for theirselves in most cases, and thats not opinion its fact . :wink:

There is as many people in the world that beleive there is more inteligent life form in the universe and at the very least look at the posibilitys and evidence presented from long before scientists and archaeologist's existed , as there are that dont.

I just dont understand why there aren't more people that dont at least want to discuss it, other then the fact that those that do are looked at like crackpots and afraid to even get involved in a discussion. Once again I am not trying to convince anyone of anything , I just find it a very interesting topic and would like others thoughts no matter what they are. :wink:
 
You are very right about people not either wanting to discuss it or don't care. To me it has always been a point of interest. The fact that mankind generally believed we are the only ones in the vast Universe is just plain arrogance, in as much as those that believed the Earth was flat.

Making a simple electro magnet at one point in our history could have gotten you burned at the Stake. As would lighting a simple modern safety match in the Dark Ages.

There is energy out there we can't even grasp at this point in our history that children of the future will play with like a toy.
 
I haven't taken the 90 minutes as yet to put aside to view this, but I will Laurie.
It must be pretty fascinating if you posted it. ;)
TIA!
 
I watched about two minutes of it and "what if" was repeated a dozen and one times. No I don't think that the pyramids in Egypt were built by space aliens I think they were built by old fashioned slave labor. It's amazing what people can accomplish when being beaten with whips.
 
I read Chariots Of The Gods? when I was a teenybopper, along with other such books and have enjoyed the exploration into such things over the years.
There may not be many truths I could embrace, but it's interesting to say the least.
 
Catavenger said:
I watched about two minutes of it and "what if" was repeated a dozen and one times. No I don't think that the pyramids in Egypt were built by space aliens I think they were built by old fashioned slave labor. It's amazing what people can accomplish when being beaten with whips.
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Don't be silly! No matter how much one was beaten, or even if a 101 slaves were beaten to a pulp, they still wouldn't be able to carve granite, or drill holes in it without the proper machinery, nor would they be able to moves several tons of granite from miles away without cranes; and certainly they couldn't have carved it without diamond tipped tools.

You must have watched far more than two minutes of it since the first third of the video was taken up with ancient aero-dynamic technology, and not about the Pyramids.

You think you know better than Albert Einstein did, or others such as the guys below, many of whom are overseers for the defense of the planet, or have liased with our defense departments? And these guys listed are just the tip of the iceberg!

"Given the millions of billions of Earth-like planets, life elsewhere in the Universe without a doubt, does exist. In the vastness of the Universe we are not alone."
--The Bible According to Albert Einstein

"It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar system.There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system."
--Dr. Herman Oberth (The father of modern rockerty)

"I am completely convinced that UFOs have an out-of-world basis."
--Dr. Walther Riedel (Once chief designer and research director at the
German rocket center in Peenemunde)

"The possibility of reduced-time interstellar travel either by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations at present or ourselves in the future, is not fundamentally constrained by physical principles."
-- Dr. Harold Puthoff (Director, Institute for advanced studies at Austin, Author of fundamentals of Quantum Electronics)

The least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and controlled ... My opinion for some time has been that they have an extraterrestrial origin."
--Dr. Maurice Biot (leading aerodynamicists and mathematical physicist)

"The evidence is overwhelming that Planet Earth is being visited by intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft. In other words, SOME UFOs are alien spacecraft. Most are not. It's clear from the Opinion Polls and my own experience, that indeed most people accept the notion that SOME UFOs are alien spacecraft. The greater the education, the MORE likely to accept this proposition"
-- Stanton Friedman Defense Contractor Nuclear Physicist

"Extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. The Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its Nuncios (embassies) in various countries, such as Mexico, Chile and Venezuela."
-- Monsignor Corrado Balducci As stated 5 different times on Italian TV** (Vatican theologian insider close to the Pope,Monsignor Balducci said that he is on a Vatican commission looking into extraterrestrial encounters, and how to cope with the emerging general realization of extraterrestrial contact.)

"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
--J Edgar Hoover

Want more? :rolleyes:
 
fogtender said:
You are very right about people not either wanting to discuss it or don't care. To me it has always been a point of interest. The fact that mankind generally believed we are the only ones in the vast Universe is just plain arrogance, in as much as those that believed the Earth was flat.
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And there are still those that believe so today, despite all the evidence to the contrary. They even have a website. It would be an exercise in futility to try to spend time explaining to folk with that type of mental blockage, and wilful blindness that we have proof that the Earth is not flat.


Making a simple electro magnet at one point in our history could have gotten you burned at the Stake. As would lighting a simple modern safety match in the Dark Ages.
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Quite! Galileo spent years under house arrest after a farcical trial, because he supported Copernicus’ claim that the Earth was not the centre of the universe. And others have been tortured and put to death for much less, as you say…


There is energy out there we can't even grasp at this point in our history that children of the future will play with like a toy.
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There is indeed. The laws of physics, one can assume, will not be any different to any other species, or inhabitants of other universes. However, we cannot be that arrogant that we believe that we know all there is to know about physics. Science is changing daily, and with each new study. What is hard cold fact today could be overturned tomorrow, literally. Good points!

pirate_girl said:
I read Chariots Of The Gods? when I was a teenybopper, along with other such books and have enjoyed the exploration into such things over the years.
There may not be many truths I could embrace, but it's interesting to say the least.
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Yes, I read ‘Chariots of the God’ too. It is indeed an interesting subject. But, you know, von Daniken wasn’t the first author to publish this concept. Others had come before him, and many prominent folk concur, Physicists, Scientists, Astronomers, world leaders, for example, have all gone on record at some time, to expound upon this fascinating topic. I know that many here are religious, or believe in a God, and this was never meant to be a thread about baiting theologians; it was purely meant to be academic as a study in the concept of ‘Ancient Aliens.’ And, indeed, in 2008 the Vatican came onboard also: :smile:

The Pope's chief astronomer says that life on Mars cannot be ruled out.

Writing in the Vatican newspaper, the astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, said intelligent beings created by God could exist in outer space.
Father Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory near Rome, is a respected scientist who collaborates with universities around the world.
The search for forms of extraterrestrial life, he says, does not contradict belief in God.
The official Vatican newspaper headlines his article 'Aliens Are My Brother'.

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I watched about two minutes of it and "what if" was repeated a dozen and one times. No I don't think that the pyramids in Egypt were built by space aliens I think they were built by old fashioned slave labor. It's amazing what people can accomplish when being beaten with whips.
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Don't be silly! No matter how much one was beaten, or even if a 101 slaves were beaten to a pulp, they still wouldn't be able to carve granite, or drill holes in it without the proper machinery, nor would they be able to moves several tons of granite from miles away without cranes; and certainly they couldn't have carved it without diamond tipped tools.

You must have watched far more than two minutes of it since the first third of the video was taken up with ancient aero-dynamic technology, and not about the Pyramids.
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I agree with Lia, Catavenger. Since I watched the first two episodes in full "twice" to make sure I didn't miss anything, you must have either zipped through it to pick out a few points that meet your agenda or you truly are not interested in it enough to take the time to learn some interesting facts .

The fact is they designed small trinkets that have been proven to be capable of flight "by design" long before any scientific evidence that flight was even possible.

There were experts interviewed that state even with todays technology and equipment available we do not have the ability to do such precise work as the pyramids or other ancient structures at all much less in 20 years time which is the time they were thought to be built in . Nor do we have the tools it would take.

Also in the video it states that certain stones would have had to have been softened somehow to be erected the way that they fit together . As far as I know there is no technology I am aware of where you can melt or mold solid granite to do such a thing . But if you view the vid they show several instances where it could be the only explanation of how they fit together.

No where in the vids I have watched so far did anyone even suggest that aliens built any of these structures, but that they might have supplyed the knowledge and possibly the tools to be able to do it.

As well as the fact that in different areas all over the world the same techniques and types of structures were being built and thats pretty hard to take as a coincidence that people that never had met each other learned to do the same things in exactlly the same way. Like the several locations where they had laid out the planets and how they are placed in the universe. One planet our scientists wern't even aware of its exsistance for 100's of years after they were built.

I just dont understand how so many can not keep an open mind and at least ask yourselves the questions that have not been answered even by our experts.

At any rate I just wish people would take the time to view the vids so they could offer an honest opinion rather then just calling it "crap" . But thats what the arrogant sceptics do when they cant explain things nor want to take the time to learn more about them . Arrogance is the only word fitting for those that beleive we are the most inteligent life in the universe. :ermm:
 
Only humans would build something as useless as a pyramid. The Egyptians did however outsource their security.
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Well maybe they had a reason to build them. Maybe in 5,000 years someone will find an aircraft carrier, then they may wonder why we needed such a stupid big boat.

We may not have a clue to why they built them!

We may never know, but they did build them and they did so with something we can't grasp as of yet!
 
I did watch the entire video. I forced myself to. It was painful. I wanted to jump in and comment early. But Lia asked for 90 minutes - and I gave it. My opinion is this: If you are really opened minded - then you have to question this dramatic video presentation.
OK... lets say I buy into the theory of the ETs coming to earth long ago.
Lets say - it's true. WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY TODAY?
So,... they were here and visited earth... and just vanished?
They helped us with all that technology and then went AWOL?

And for the ones that say we HAVE UFOs all around the place... why would they help us cut rocks - but not land and help us in other ways?

Just my opinion after suffering for 90 minutes.
 
tsaw said:
I did watch the entire video. I forced myself to. It was painful. I wanted to jump in and comment early. But Lia asked for 90 minutes - and I gave it.
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Thank you tsaw. :smile:

My opinion is this: If you are really opened minded - then you have to question this dramatic video presentation.
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But, is it any more dramatic than what all religions tell us? That a bearded being in the sky waved a magic wand and zapped us all into existence, along with a habitable planet, food, foliage and all of this accomplished in six days?

Think about it; every ancient civilization from all races tells of how they their ancestors came from the stars, or that they were visited by beings/deities from the stars, and shown the rudiments of agriculture, art, science, building and other achievements. Every single one insist that the planets was seeded buy alien deities.

The bible tells us that we were made in Gods image; ever wonder how it is then, that we are flesh and blood, but he is not? Or, how about this; the bible tells us: Genesis 1:26

“Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Well, there you have it, straight from the horse’s mouth! He speaks in the plural of ‘us’ and ‘our.’ Why would he say that? Who was he speaking to? But, more importantly, who were the eye-witnesses to these accounts? These events are no less fantastical than ancient aliens seeding this planet, which, I repeat, every ancient civilization records them as either visiting their ancestors or of them being their ancestors.

And it came to pass, when man began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair and they took them wives of all which they chose. (Gen 6:1-2)

The ‘sons’ of the ‘gods?’ It’s quite okay for people who believe this, but any that believe ancient aliens visited earth, are barmy? Its okay to believe tales of men such as Methuselah reaching astronomical ages, and Abrahams Sarah reaching her nineties yet still falling pregnant, as did John the Baptists mother, Elizabeth, but to believe in ancient aliens visiting earth is unacceptable? C’mon man! Please…

All ancient civilizations make mention of places such as ‘The City Of The Gods’ or have monuments dedicated to these ‘Gods. Where ever one goes around the world, one comes across these stories. Why would anyone believe it to be irrelevant to question or research these things? Give me one good reason for why one should believe the various stories from religions and the bible, such as the Garden of Eden (which incidentally, cannot be found, or researched), but one can locate the pyramid of Giza, which scientists and archaeologists cannot still replicate, nor can they state with certainty just how the pyramids were built.

We have been told :rolleyes: that these immense buildings were memorial tombs to the dead. To date, not one single tomb has ever been found in any of them, no bodies either. The 2nd to largest pyramid in the world, the largest one at Giza has been found to be riddled with tunnels that have, to date, only been viewed by camera, via a robot, since they are inaccessible to man. But, several of these4 tunnels have been found to lead to other inaccessible chambers and tunnels. They are a complete mystery to man, still.

Lets look at the Dogon tribe. The fascinating Dogon legends speak of Jupiter's four moons and Saturn's rings, which were not seen by human beings until the invention of the telescope. They speak of the star Sirius and of a pair of invisible companions. One of them circles Sirius every fifty years, the legends declare, and is made of a metal that is the heaviest thing in the universe. Astronomers have discovered that such an object (called "Sirius-B") does exist but only the most sophisticated and sensitive instruments -- unavailable, of course, to the Dogons -- can detect it.
The planets circle the sun, the tribesmen believe (and astronomy confirms), in elliptical orbits. And planets with different kinds of people on them circle six other stars in the sky -- so the legends have it.
Who told the Dogons about Sirius and about the other space science secrets? Author Robert K. G· Temple (The Sirius Mystery, St, Martin's Press, 1975) claims to be able to trace the Sirius-B myth back through Egyptian mythology to Sumerian mythology, thus establishing the certainty that the informants were extraterrestrials.
The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar.
Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white.
OK... lets say I buy into the theory of the ETs coming to earth long ago.
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Lets say - it's true. WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY TODAY?
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Well, where did the Mayans go? They practically disappeared overnight, and speculation is rife with theories, but I suspect the truth of the matter is that they either inter-mixed with other societies, or, they flew back to the legendary Atlantis, which is where they claimed to have come from originally.

Why is it that some can believe that we are made ‘in the image of ‘gods’ (remember the plurals), yet they cannot believe that we are alien ourselves?

So,... they were here and visited earth... and just vanished?
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They helped us with all that technology and then went AWOL?
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Just as did the ‘Sons of the Gods’ and the Giants (the Nephilim). Just as the Mayans did; and the Atlantians. What is myth, what is fiction, what is fact? Can one differentiate between myths and religious texts?

And for the ones that say we HAVE UFOs all around the place... why would they help us cut rocks - but not land and help us in other ways?
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One could ask the same for all ‘Gods’ deities, Angels, etc; all of which you seem to be implying that it is okay to believe in, but one is cuckoo to believe that ancient aliens might have visited earth, as ALL ancient civilizations have recorded.

Just my opinion after suffering for 90 minutes.
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Well, I’m tempted to call you a wussy, lol, but since you are a true gentleman I will refrain, and just say er… there there dear. :tongue:
 
Catavenger said:
Only humans would build something as useless as a pyramid. The Egyptians did however outsource their security.
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IF you would have watched the series of videos it they spoke of some very interesting reasoning for the purpose of the pyramids as well as the rather unique location to where they were located. :wink:

But theres no sense in me trying convince you into watching them because you obviously have no interest in ancient history.
 
The Aztecs and Mayans were at different geographical locations as well. While the former ruled the roost in Central America the latter held sway in the western South America. The Mayans are an older people and were around a thousand years before the Aztecs even arrived in Central America. The Aztecs were the dominant culture in Mexico at the time of Cortez’s arrival in Mexico in the 1500s. The Mayans by then had deteriorated into a decadent and decrepit race living on past glory.

The Mayans still live in the Yucatan in much the same way as their post classic ancestors. The Aztecs, who on the other hand were decimated by the Spaniards, can perhaps be glimpsed among the present day Mexicans. Their languages too were different. The Aztecs spoke Nahuatl, while the Mayans spoke Maya. Their names for God too were different. Aztecs called him Quetzalcoatl and the Mayans had Kukulcan.


Read more: Difference Between Aztecs and Mayans | Difference Between | Aztecs vs Mayans [URL="http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-aztecs-and-mayans/#ixzz1We1iip4j"]http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-aztecs-and-mayans/#ixzz1We1iip4j[/URL]
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Just because its written on the net, doesn't necessarily make it history.
 
Lia - lets us just agree to disagree if you wish to believe that earth has been visited by aliens from other planets and they built the pyramids (or anything else,) feel free to. You certainly have the right to your opinion. I also have the right to my opinion and I don't believe that anyone but humans built the pyramids. Millions of people agree with me. I don't think that having that opinion makes us "stupid" or 'petty."
 
Catavenger said:
Lia - lets us just agree to disagree if you wish to believe that earth has been visited by aliens from other planets and they built the pyramids (or anything else,) feel free to. You certainly have the right to your opinion. I also have the right to my opinion and I don't believe that anyone but humans built the pyramids. Millions of people agree with me. I don't think that having that opinion makes us "stupid" or 'petty."
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That would be good if you kept to your side of the bargain; unfortunately you're just using the thread to bait, since by your own admission you have no interest in the topic.

However, since you have offered an olive branch I shall desist from retaliation if you are sincere in your offer.

Peace.
 
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