The first has been on and off of eBay, etc... just isn't selling. There's another one similar but with a C4 on eBay... they're both showing up over and over again...no one buying. The second one in the list has been for sale for a while as well... not moving. Only thing that moves is Krusti's, Thiokol Trackmasters/6's, and ST4's... others seem to be sitting around and no one will drop their price... they just aren't getting the coin they think they deserve especially in a down economy... potentially someone to clean up but seems most won't budge off their unrealistic expectations.