Legislative Prayers

Journalist Mark Sherman wrote for The Associated Press 4 November 2013:
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The Supreme Court, which asks for God's protection before every public session, will settle a dispute over prayer in the halls of government. ...The Obama administration is taking a middle ground... Solicitor General Donald Verrilli wrote in his brief... said the administration has an interest in protecting the tradition of opening each day of Congress with a prayer that stretches back to the nation's founding. ...At the Supreme Court, the justices stand at their seats while Marshal Pam Talkin asks God to "save the United States and this honorable court."
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And what has it got us: Citizen corporations; a bought and paid for Congress; free trade agreements that have aided in the regression of our economic system; banking deregulations that have wrought havoc to our economic system; etc.

No, we don't need any more "prayers" in the halls of the legislature, nor in the Supreme Court. They should be eliminated, along with the pledge of allegiance to the flag.

No it won't.

The anti religious freedom folks will continue to press case after case after case. Little by little corroding the freedoms of religious expression in every aspect of our nation. When they are done with public meeting places, they will attck public places, and then our very homes.

They will do so blatantly and in whatever recondite method they can devise. Remove God and mankind has noting to follow but the motivation of Faux heroes and money.

It has nothing to do with our founding principles or traditional understanding of our Christain Judeo roots.

FrancSevin said:

No it won't.

The anti religious freedom folks will continue to press case after case after case. Little by little corroding the freedoms of religious expression in every aspect of our nation. When they are done with public meeting places, they will attck public places, and then our very homes.

They will do so blatantly and in whatever recondite method they can devise. Remove God and mankind has noting to follow but the motivation of Faux heroes and money.

It has nothing to do with our founding principles or traditional understanding of our Christain Judeo roots.

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Wow! You have the downfall of humanity all mapped out...

And don't get me started on the atrocities committed in the name of some god somewhere...

indago said:

And don't get me started on the atrocities committed in the name of some god somewhere...

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History has proven time and time again that religion was seldom the motivation of war. But, it was often the excuse of corrupted leaders to get good men to kill their neighbor.

Follow the principles of the Greatest Generation as they deteriorate to that which guides the Generation of Millenials today. A tragedy. Amerika may never come back.

FrancSevin said:

History has proven time and time again that religion was seldom the motivation of war. But, it was often the excuse of corrupted leaders to get good men to kill their neighbor.

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There was a documentary on the History Channel called The Sahara, and within the narration, it was stated, historically, that the Muslims would spread their religion by the sword. And further, it was noted that the Islamist invaders, while spreading Islam by the sword across the northern Sahara from East to West, their battle cry: convert or die

indago said:

There was a documentary on the History Channel called The Sahara, and within the narration, it was stated, historically, that the Muslims would spread their religion by the sword. And further, it was noted that the Islamist invaders, while spreading Islam by the sword across the northern Sahara from East to West, their battle cry: convert or die

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Proving what? The same can be said for Russia and communism. Or, to stretch the point, even the USA and democracy.

The English went to war "For God and Country"
Crusaders went to war for "Saving the Holy Land."

Actually the English colonized the world for emperial expansions of the empire.
The royalties of Europe invaded Asia for the resources and trading routes.

Mohammed seized city after city, not to convert, but to gain wealth and power. He, himself wasn't even religious.

Religion seldom starts war. Greed, and competition for resources and power, almost always does


BTW,There was a documentaryon the Historychannel telling thestory of the Bible. In which documentary hdo you place validity?

FrancSevin said:

The English went to war "For God and Country"
Crusaders went to war for "Saving the Holy Land."

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The OP is about Legislative Prayer...

Laurence H. Tribe, a professor of constitutional law at Harvard Law School, said that while the Supreme Court's conservative bent favored the Town Board, Ms. Galloway and Ms. Stephens could win with a focus on "the dangers of government discrimination among religions and religious believers."

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indago said:

The OP is about Legislative Prayer...



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Then you should have left it there and not brought up an innacurate historical cliche'

Let us be clear, there is a difference between people of like minds appealling to a common belief when asking guidance as they deliberate about their fudicial duties. And those who would employ those beliefs to effect religious change upon others.

Leaders who presume such matters of faith ad government are the same, and who preside over lemmings who believe that, eventually bring ruin to any cause of peace. We have such a leader now who insists we take faith out of the government while proporting adherence to his own. In plain english, he is more than willing to object to any observable practice of Christain faith while promoting his own.

FrancSevin said:

Then you should have left it there and not brought up an innacurate historical cliche'

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And what "innacurate historical cliche'" would that be?

FrancSevin said:

Obama, and his cohorts, are motivational leaders who could and I believe likely would, cause many to die for God and country. The question is for which God?

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That is as good a reason as any to eliminate religion from politics.

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And what "innacurate historical cliche'" would that be?



That is as good a reason as any to eliminate religion from politics.

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That Religion is the cause of most wars. Typical cliche' of the anti religious faculty lounge elites.

I agree, religion should be eliminated from politics. But not from the hearts of public servants. Most of whom are not public servants.

America is a land that protects the free expression of religion, not from religion.

Our nation was founded on the concept of the free and un-incumbered expression of religion. Hopefully, our public servants are as human and thereforeas fallible as any of our citizens.

If we do not like the faith pratices of public our public servants, don't elect them. Being elected to office should not create a Sohpie's choice for practicing members of any faith. Even if it is an anti Theistic one.

FrancSevin: "Then you should have left it there and not brought up an innacurate historical cliche'"

indago: "And what "innacurate historical cliche'" would that be?"

FrancSevin: "That Religion is the cause of most wars."

Point out where I wrote this.

indago said:

FrancSevin: "Then you should have left it there and not brought up an innacurate historical cliche'"

indago: "And what "innacurate historical cliche'" would that be?"

FrancSevin: "That Religion is the cause of most wars."

Point out where I wrote this.

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"And don't get me started on the atrocities committed in the name of some god somewhere... "

I paraphrased to include all such generalized cliche' statements ......my bad.
Shall we argue semantics or the subject? Your choice.