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It was built with 24 tons of scrap steel from the World Trade Center .

It is the fifth in a new class of warship - designed for missions that include special operations against terrorists. It will carry a crew of 360 sailors and 700 combat-ready Marines to be delivered ashore by helicopters and assault craft.

Steel from the World Trade Center was melted down in a foundry in Amite , LA to cast the ship's bow section. When it was poured into the molds
on Sept. 9, 2003, "those big rough steelworkers treated it with total reverence," recalled Navy Capt. Kevin Wensing, who was there. "It was a
spiritual moment for everybody there."

Junior Chavers, foundry operations manager, said that when the trade center steel first arrived, he touched it with his hand and the "hair on my neck stood up." "It had a big meaning to it for all of us," he said. "They knocked us down. They can't keep us down. We're going to be back."

The ship's motto? "Never Forget"

Please keep this going so everyone can see what we are made of in this country!




(don't know if its true or not!)
 

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Man, that ship looks all business. I'd have to guess that no "small arms" fire is going to take her down!
 

waybomb

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I bet it does 30 knots flat out. They been saying this about fighting ships since WWII.

How fast does this puppy really go? Anybody know?

What about the aircraft carriers? Ever see the bottom of a Carrier - crap, it's a flatbottom drag boat!

Subs? I heard the Ruskies have a sub that'll go almost 100.
 

Av8r3400

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I don't know about the titanium alpha class russian boats, they are fast.

A modern super carrier is capable of in excess of 40 knots. They are the fastest surface war-ships in the fleet. Our attack subs are much faster than that (unknown but I'll bet 60+ kts?).
 

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What's the pitch on a carriers props? What's the prop speed?

My cougar will do in excess of 40 knots. Doesn't mean a thing - how fast does a carrier go? I wanna know! Anybody know. Is there a superduper secret pact to not reveal it? It has to be way over 40 - why would they hide the props when it is out of the water? So you can't figure out the pitch!

I have 33" props, 5800 rpm, 1.5:1 reduction. I have some prop slip. I bet the Navy's prop slip is better than mine.

Let's say the carriers prop pitch is 20 feet. Meaning, if the prop were going through something highly viscous, one revolution would force the blade to move forward 20 feet. I don't think this is out of the question - those props are huge.
Let's say shaft speed is 400 rpm.
20 ft x 400rpm x 60 minutes / 5280 ft/ml = 90 mph! 90% efficient prop = 81mph.
 

waybomb

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OOOOOOOOOOOO, just had a brain fart - would that be the BOMB! Landing on a ship going 80 mph into a 30 mph wind. It would be like landing a Harrier! Just kinda pick your spot and drop the aircraft. Wadya think AV8R3400?
 

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waybomb said:
- how fast does a carrier go? I wanna know! Anybody know. Is there a superduper secret pact to not reveal it?
I've wondered that myself for years. I believe it's still classified.

They're just puttering along because if they hammer it, the rest of the carrier group gets left behind very quickly.
 

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I can't wait until they put steps in that carrier hull! Then she'll really fly!

Do you think my assumptions are way off base, a little off base, or?
 

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waybomb said:
Do you think my assumptions are way off base, a little off base, or?
It was quite the topic years ago. I think all the expert "guesstimates" were in the 40-50 range.

I just did a little looking and all sources say the Nimitz class top speed is still classified.
 

Av8r3400

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I saw a thing on Discovery about the USNS Ronald Regan and they were saying 180+ rpm on the shafts... Keep in mind that the 'wheels' on a super carrier are 30-ish feet in diameter. Pitch speculation would be the question. I am not sure but possibly they are variable pitch wheels? I know that technology exists in the Navy.

Slow the plane down and the runway comes up from behind??

During high speed runs on supercarriers, they suspend flight operations because the crew would be blown overboard. :oops:
 

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Av8r3400 said:
I saw a thing on Discovery about the USNS Ronald Regan and they were saying 180+ rpm on the shafts... Keep in mind that the 'wheels' on a super carrier are 30-ish feet in diameter. Pitch speculation would be the question. I am not sure but possibly they are variable pitch wheels? I know that technology exists in the Navy.

Slow the plane down and the runway comes up from behind??

During high speed runs on supercarriers, they suspend flight operations because the crew would be blown overboard. :oops:

OK, so let's speculate. My props have a 33" pitch and are 17" in diameter. So, if teh carrier's props are 30 feet in diameter, it is probably not out of the question for them to have a 30' pitch maybe more. And I am sure they are variable pitch. Think about low speed manuevering if they weren't!

And 180+ rpm. Let's call it 200.
That's 68 mph x 90% = 61 mph

Lets' say pitch is the same ratio as in my prop, at 200 rpm.
That's 131 mph x 90% = 118 mph

It has to be somewhere in between those 2.

What's normal wind speed at landing an FA18 on land?
 

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Somewhat OT--Back in the dark ages, when I served in Long Beach on board a small minesweeper, the vessel was scheduled for a mission in SE Asia. There was some discussion whether it would sail on its own or be hauled aboard a large ship for the trip. The definition of a "boat" was a vessel that could be carried on a larger vessel. The scuttlebutt (rumor to you landlubbers) was that the captain insisted on sailing across because his ego would take a hit to call his minesweeper a "boat." I wonder what the captain of the New York would think of his ship as a topic in a forum titled "Boats and Accessories?"
 

Av8r3400

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Waybomb - I believe that it was also on the show about the Reagan, that they were saying they needed 20+ knots of air movement to do flight operations. This could be from the wind + forward motion.

Back with the WWII era ships (especially the "Escort Carriers") many times aircraft could not be launched because there was insufficient wind and the ship was not fast enough to generate the airflow needed to launch the planes.
 

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waybomb said:
OK, so let's speculate. My props have a 33" pitch and are 17" in diameter. So, if teh carrier's props are 30 feet in diameter, it is probably not out of the question for them to have a 30' pitch maybe more. And I am sure they are variable pitch. Think about low speed manuevering if they weren't!

And 180+ rpm. Let's call it 200.
That's 68 mph x 90% = 61 mph

Lets' say pitch is the same ratio as in my prop, at 200 rpm.
That's 131 mph x 90% = 118 mph

It has to be somewhere in between those 2.

What's normal wind speed at landing an FA18 on land?


Fred,
If it would do 118, it would give plain vanilla a run for her money. :D :yankchain:

Like Av8r said, going that fast would blow men off the flight deck. :eek:
 

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Ok , you all can believe the goverment on ship and boat speeds, but because of national security we arn't allowed to Know the complete truth. Now the diffence between Ships and Boats. Ships float on top , Boats are made to sink.
 

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Doc said:
Fred,
If it would do 118, it would give plain vanilla a run for her money. :D :yankchain:

Like Av8r said, going that fast would blow men off the flight deck. :eek:

That would be a cool race. Maybe I should invite an aircraft carrier to SOTW or the Chicago Poker Run?
 

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waybomb said:
That would be a cool race.
As long as Plain Vanilla didn't get caught in its wake... Hmmm. How big is the wake of an 1100 foot long ship going that speed?
 

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As long as Plain Vanilla didn't get caught in its wake... Hmmm. How big is the wake of an 1100 foot long ship going that speed?

If it is on plane on that flat bottom, probably not much of a wake at all. But on the way up to popping that hull out of the water, watch out!

I had a 42 Carver Aft Cabin. If I drove it at about 12 mph, it made a huge wake. Once she popped up and ran, the wake was no fun for the jet-skiers.
 

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waybomb said:
If it is on plane on that flat bottom, probably not much of a wake at all. But on the way up to popping that hull out of the water, watch out!
Agreed.
It would also be very cool to be able to ski behind that thing. Hmmmm, I wonder how many skiiers it could pull at a time.
 

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Prepare for Ludicrous Speed! They've gone to plaid...
 

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