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Abortion protestors "sexually abused" by pro-abortion escorts

Melensdad

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I found this quite bizarre. Its not so much about whether you like abortion or not, but what is acceptable in peaceable assembly and protest. This occurred in GERMANY not in the US. I have no clue what the German laws are for protest or peaceable assembly.

http://www.gloria.tv/?video=plexkbcvnjyprlb250ju

The set up is that some Christian (probably Catholic) prayer group sends individuals to pray near the entrance to an abortion clinic. The clinic apparently has escorts/thugs/idiots to harass the people who pray. Watch the video.

If you were a protestor (at any event), silently & peacefully protesting (anything), and some idiots like these, who are paid to harass you, would you have the restraint to NOT smack one of them?
 

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sleeper

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There is no way I could tolerate that crap. Once my personal space is intentionally invaded all bets are off. I don't understand how those people tolerated that crap. :2gunsfiri
 

thcri

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Looks to me like the pro abortion people are a few bricks short of a full load. I could have taken it until one of them grabbed me privates.
 

BoneheadNW

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Maybe this is not so out of the ordinary in Germany, but it sounds more like France to me. I'm with sleeper- once my personal space is violated, somethings gonna give. Unless, that is, the person is being paid for violating my personal space.
Get your mind out of the gutter- I'm talking about getting my hairs cut!
Bonehead
 

Bobcat

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My knuckles would have been all cut up from somebodys teeth. I don't know how these guys restrained themselves, especially when those sickos started messing with the woman. :pirate:

Come on Sush, you'd let RR in, wouldn't you? She'd bring some EVOO... :thumb:
 

XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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Similar things happen here in Portland over a fur store. The police wouldn't enforce the law or prevent the harassment because the City Council is a bunch of weak wristed losers.

Ultimately, the Schumachers ended up going out of business this year. I have no dog in the fur game and it doesn't affect me but what it did do was embolden these special interests groups to continue these disruptive protests. It was the wrong message to send.

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=34552

Fur flies at weekly protests

Animal-rights rallies strain ties between cops, business owners

By Jim Redden
The Portland Tribune, Mar 28, 2006

Portland Police Bureau Central Precinct Cmdr. Dave Benson has suggested that the Schumacher Fur & Outerwear Co. move out of downtown because of weekly animal rights protests at its Southwest Eighth Avenue and Morrison Street store.
In a March 23 e-mail to Commissioner Randy Leonard, Benson said that the store owned by Gregg and Linda Schumacher may be better suited for a suburban mall, such as Bridgeport Village in Tualatin.
“Actually, one of the solutions is for them to relocate to a boutique type of mall (Bridgeport Village). In that setting the owners will probably be able to lawfully control the protests inside the mall and keep it outside on the sidewalk. The protesters would quickly lose interest. The Schumachers won’t like that solution, either, but they may not have much of a choice,” Benson wrote in an e-mail.
Since last November, dozens of demonstrators have been staging noisy protests outside the store every Saturday afternoon. The goal is to drive the store out of business, says regular participant Matt Rossell, Northwest outreach coordinator of In Defense of Animals, a national animal rights organization.
“Portland is a city with a love of animals. It has no business having a full-scale fur salon here,” Rossell said.
Leonard asked Benson for information about the protests after receiving an earlier e-mail from Linda Schumacher accusing the protesters of repeatedly breaking the law by threatening to kill her and Gregg, assaulting their employees and blocking access to their store.
The Schumachers are shocked by Benson’s suggestion.
“The Schumacher family has sold fur in Portland for 111 years. We’ve never closed our store, not even during the Depression,” Gregg Schumacher said.
After receiving Benson’s reply, Leonard e-mailed Linda Schumacher back to say he believes she and Gregg are partly to blame for the situation. According to Benson’s e-mail to Leonard, the Schumachers have disregarded police advice to temporarily close their store on Saturday Ñ and have instead argued with the protesters and mocked them with signs posted in their store windows.
“Neither the police bureau nor my office can assist you if you are not willing to accept our advice on a strategy that helps us help you cause the protesters to lose interest in targeting your business,” Leonard wrote.
The Schumachers denied doing anything wrong.
“Have I sworn at them? After they’ve stood outside the store and sworn at me at the top of their lungs. But we’re not breaking any laws Ñ they are,” Linda Schumacher said.
Convinced that the police could and should do more to protect them and their business, the Schumachers have reserved time to present their case to the City Council at 9:30 a.m. Wednesday, April 5. They are urging neighboring business owners and managers to join them, saying the protests are hurting all the surrounding businesses.
The Schumachers’ complaints come at a time when Portland is struggling to retain its downtown businesses. There are many retail vacancies in the city core. The council is supporting TriMet’s controversial plan to overhaul the transit mall in the hopes of revitalizing Fifth and Sixth avenues by adding light rail and a full car through-lane from Union Station to Portland State University.
But according to the Schumachers, the council will not be able to reverse the exodus until it starts paying more attention to the existing businesses.
“We’re already looking at Beaverton for our next store,” Gregg Schumacher said.
New store gets noticed

The Schumachers moved the store to its present location in November, shortly before a yearly ritual for animal rights activists Ñ the annual Fur Free Friday march through downtown that takes place the day after Thanksgiving.
During the event, marchers stop and protest outside several stores that sell fur. After seeing the Schumachers’ new store, several marchers decided to begin staging weekly protests there.
“The weekly protests began organically. People just decided they needed to come back and do more,” Rossell said.
From around noon to 5 p.m. every Saturday, dozens of people gather outside the store. Some wave signs denouncing fur sales. Others line up in front of the store and chant insults at the Schumachers and their customers. A few dress up as animals and roll around on the sidewalk, pretending they are being killed. A portable television set shows videos the protesters claim prove that animals are treated and killed inhumanely for their fur.
According to the Schumachers, some of the protest tactics clearly violate the law. They claimed demonstrators have followed them when they leave the store, threatening to kill them and burn down their home. They say similar threats against them were posted and then removed from www.indymedia.org, a local Web site used by various activists to promote their causes.
To the Schumachers, these more sinister tactics are part of a national trend of increasingly dangerous animal rights protests. They noted that federal prosecutors recently convicted an animal rights group and six activists of terrorism and Internet stalking. The March 5 convictions were the first to come under the Animal Enterprise Terror Act, enacted by Congress in 1992.
As the Schumachers see it, the protests outside their store will continue escalating unless the police take more aggressive actions to limit them.
“If the police had enforced the law at the beginning, things would not have gotten out of hand,” Linda Schumacher said.
Drive-bys called ineffective

Although the Schumachers have repeatedly met with Benson and other city officials since shortly after the protests began, they do not believe the police are taking their situation seriously.
They said the police only occasionally drive or walk by the demonstrations; they said the protesters behave themselves during those short intervals and then become more threatening after the officers pass by. The Schumachers said that protesters have screamed obscenities at them, entered their store and harassed customers coming and going to their shop, but the police have arrested only three protesters on relatively minor charges in the past five months Ñ two for criminal trespass and criminal mischief, and one for harassment of a police officer.
Rossell denied that any protesters have broken the law, accusing the Schumachers of exaggerating their behavior. He said that legal observers from the Northwest Constitutional Rights Center frequently watch the protests to make sure they do not get out of hand. The two arrested protesters have pleaded not guilty and have not yet gone to trial.
In his e-mail to Leonard, Benson said he has witnessed some of the protests and believed the demonstrators are acting within their First Amendment rights.
“My own personal contact with the protesters and the contact had by my sergeants is that they are generally very nice people that have very strong views about selling fur,” Benson wrote.
In his e-mail, Benson said the Schumachers should close the store for a series of Saturdays, place dark shades over the outer entry doors and remove all references to fur from the display windows.
The Schumachers rejected such steps as potentially hurting their sales.
“If we close on Saturday, we might as well close for good. We’re a retail business,” Linda Schumacher said.
Benson also said he had suggested going to court and obtaining a restraining order against the protesters, something the Lovejoy Clinic did to thwart anti-abortion protesters years ago. Linda Schumacher said they contacted the clinic after receiving the suggestion for advice on the measure, only to learn that obtaining the order cost the clinic $100,000 in attorneys’ fees.
“We don’t have that kind of money,” she said.
 

Snowcat Operations

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The world would be a better place and businesses would be left alone if the protestors would just disappear. You mess with a mans legitamate livleyhood and all bets are off. Thats how he feeds his children and wife. Not to mention keeping a roof over there heads. And the city counsil would soon follow the same fate if they held back the police from doing there job as well. I'm a peaceful man but start screwing with my family and all bets are off!
 
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Snowcat Operations

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In fact I would contact the attorney general of that State and inform them that the local Law Enforcemnet with the consent of the city counsel have conspired to selectivally enforce Laws. Thats a Felony.
 

XeVfTEUtaAqJHTqq

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In fact I would contact the attorney general of that State and inform them that the local Law Enforcemnet with the consent of the city counsel have conspired to selectivally enforce Laws. Thats a Felony.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2007/11/former_portland_furrier_drops.html

Former Portland furrier drops lawsuit against city

Posted by [URL="http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/about.html"]The Oregonian[/URL] November 20, 2007 12:00PM

Categories: Breaking News
A former Portland furrier has dropped a federal lawsuit that accused the city of Portland of failing to take action against animal rights protesters in front of its downtown store.
Herbert Grey, the attorney for former store owner Gregg Schumacher, said today Schumacher decided to drop the suit because he still faces a potentially costly judgment on the payment of legal fees incurred by the protesters.
Schumacher and his wife, Linda Schumacher, filed suit in April against the city and animal rights protesters who helped close Schumacher Furs & Outerwear at 811 S.W. Morrison St. They accused Portland police of looking the other way as protesters disrobed, blocked sidewalks and spread excrement on their building.

But a federal judge dismissed the activists from the suit, leaving the city as the only defendant.

Grey said Schumacher felt he still had a strong case against the city, but couldn't afford to continue with the suit.
-Stephen Beaven

Portland politics suck - it is a liberal utopia.
 

Melensdad

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Mike, I think a lawsuit against the city officials might be reasonable? It seems odd that when laws are not enforced that the honest business is the one that is penalized (in this case going out of business). I was under the impression that when sworn into office, politicians swear to uphold the laws.

As for the Pro-Life Protesters in Germany, they have an amazing amount of restraint and I could not believe the video when I watched it. I can certainly understand why folks who believe that abortion should be legal can oppose the Pro-Life ideas, and I can see the Pro-Abortion supporters having their own protests supporting the clinic, but I can't believe the conduct of these folks who apparently are allowed to legally physically abuse people they disagree with??? WTF!

I would say that the Pro-Life people showed a high level of dignity and massive restraint in their conduct. I have to think that those people who went as Pro-Life protestors were chosen specifically because they could restrain themselves! I don't think I could have done that. On the other hand, the Pro-Abortion people sure looked like jackasses with the way some of them acted.
 
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