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Obamacare....it's about the MATH...
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ObummerCare will fail because the numbers do not and never have supported it. Even the liberals know this, but they have never let the facts get in the way of a good socialist program now have they?
Oh yeah...guys like Mak2, the conservative, liberal, academician, nurse guy. He was Obamacare's biggest supporter here, and he drank the KoolAid every day...by the pitcher full. They love him over at the website they all went to, especially the gays & lesbians.
Mak2 and JoeC may have been liberals to some degree but they both were not bad guys. I disagreed with them more than not but it was fun and entertaining to say the least. I would have a beer with either one of them, if I drank.
I cannot share the same enthusiasm for that asshole from Montana whose internet moniker graciously eludes me right now. The only time here in two years for me that Doc needed to do an intervention. Hopefully you've forgotten that one Doc.
I cannot share the same enthusiasm for that asshole from Montana whose internet moniker graciously eludes me right now. The only time here in two years for me that Doc needed to do an intervention. Hopefully you've forgotten that one Doc.
There aren't any extra people at the insurance companies. The cost is from hiring the extra 4000+ (armed) IRS agents that are
going to "supervise" the program!
There aren't any extra people at the insurance companies. The cost is from hiring the extra 4000+ (armed) IRS agents that are
going to "supervise" the program (Quote DanangSailor)
And, I would add, the grandkid's money is not being consumed by the Insurance companies, but being used by the Congress just as it has been for many years. It is a rather large sum. unimaginable actually. Often referred to as the national debt.
Of the $17 trillion dollars accumulated by both the GOP and the Democrats, we have borrowed about $11.5 trillion of it has been borrowed from the American people in one form or another. Selling bonds, robbing pension funds etc. All our government has to do, and they have shown a propensity to do it, is just pay the citizenry off short.
What are the citizens gonna do about it?
"Hey cousin Zack, you know that 2 grand you loaned me last year,,,,to bad. I had to help may neighbor with his divorce and my kids needed new Reeboks.l.,,,,,I can't pay it back"
"But my kids will owe it to your kids OKAY?"
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Well, besides, we all know the truth here anyway. ObamaCare is not so much about health care anyway. It is about control. Another way for the Socialist Progressive Left to control the population with more laws and burdensome regulations.
We see the same tactic with gun control, salt control, trans fat, large soft drinks. On and on and on it goes with these loonie baloonies.
We see the same tactic with gun control, salt control, trans fat, large soft drinks. On and on and on it goes with these loonie baloonies.
Couldn't agree more TR. Both of them can irritate the crap out of ya but that's what makes it interesting. One day you like em, next day you're trying to figure out what the hell makes them tick, but I'd have a beer with either of them too. Sorry we don't hear from them anymore.
Typical liberal approach. Make healthcare the responsibility of the government so that the government can ration what you ingest because it's their responsibility to take care of you. Makes perfect sense, no?
Not much good to say about Mak2; he kept confusing his opinions with facts.
Joec, on the other hand, was fun! Wesurely didn't agree on a lot of things, but we were able to debate actual facts in a civil manner. I miss him.
Ann Coulter Letter
It depends on what the meaning of ‘settled law’ is
By: Ann Coulter
10/16/2013 06:02 PM
No major legislation has ever been passed like Obamacare — and I’m using the word “passed” pretty loosely.
It became law without both houses ever voting on the same bill. (Say, is the Constitution considered “settled law”?) Not one Republican voted for it — and a lot of Democrats immediately wished they hadn’t.
Historically, big laws have been enacted with large, bipartisan majorities. In 1935, President Roosevelt enacted Social Security with a 372-33 vote in the House and 77-6 in the Senate.
In 1965, Medicare passed in the Senate 70-24 and the House 307-116, with the vast majority of Democrats supporting this Ponzi scheme and Republicans roughly split.
Reagan’s magnificent tax cuts in 1981 — which Democrats now denounce as if they’d been appalled at the time — passed with a vote of 89-11 in the Senate and even 323-107 in the hostile Democratic House.
Even Bill Clinton’s signature legislative achievement — Midnight Basketball for the Homeless — received more bipartisan support than Obamacare.
No law, certainly not one that fundamentally alters the role of the government, has ever been passed like this.
But now, this greased-through, irregular law is relentlessly defended as “settled law” and “the law of the land”! (At least the parts that Obama hasn’t unconstitutionally waived — again, anybody know if the Constitution is “settled law”?)
Wow — Obamacare sounds fantastic! Not only does Congress refuse to live under it, but its proponents’ strongest argument is that it’s “settled law!”
The most hilarious part of the “settled law” argument is that it’s coming from the left, for whom nothing is ever “settled” until they get their way — as described in my new book, [ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1621571912/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1621571912&linkCode=as2&tag=anncoulter-20"]Never Trust a Liberal Over Three-Especially a Republican[/ame]
.
Liberals seem to believe our founding fathers sought to create a country where the pushiest always win. (That’s why they’re the party of trial lawyers.) They want the nation’s policies to be determined by a never-ending co-op board meeting dominated by the most obnoxious shareholders.
As New Yorkers are about to discover if they elect Bill de Blasio mayor, for example, liberals will never abandon their plans to hamstring cops and spring criminals. For 30 years, New York City tried the Democrats’ approach to crime. The result was an explosion of murders, rapes, permanent disfigurements, robberies, car thefts and burglaries.
Then Rudy Giuliani came in and saved the city. The dramatic decrease in crime effected by Giuliani’s crime policies made commerce, tourism — life! — possible again in New York.
But liberals have been biding their time, waiting for people to forget, itching to get their hands on the levers of power so they can start releasing criminals again. (Or as Democrats refer to them, “our base.”)
Wasn’t “stop and frisk” “settled law”? Why yes, it was, upheld in 1996 by a New York appeals court in People v. Batista. But that settled law was recently overturned by a liberal judge in a case funded by George Soros.
Hey, does anyone know if the Second Amendment is “settled law”?
And how many dozens of states have expressly voted against gay marriage? Are we up to three dozen yet? But liberals consider repeated votes of the people merely an invitation to run to the courts to get the people’s will overturned.
California voters said “no” to gay marriage in a statewide initiative to amend their constitution. State courts upheld the amendment prohibiting gay marriage. You might say the No-Gay-Marriage amendment was — what’s the expression? — “settled law, upheld by the courts.”
Liberal groups appealed to the federal courts, where an activist judge, who happened to be gay, issued a PC ruling overturning the will of the people. His work done, the judge then resigned from the bench.
Oh — and how has the left treated “settled law” on race preferences? The fight against racial discrimination goes back to the Civil War, Reconstruction and a slew of Republican amendments to the U.S. Constitution.
But Democrats refuse to give up discriminating on the basis of race. (They just switched which race gets screwed.) The triumph of a color-blind political system lasted for about six minutes before Democrats were at it again.
In 1996, the people of California voted to amend the state constitution to prohibit race discrimination by the state. Liberals sued and sued and sued to overturn a majority vote of the people that merely affirmed constitutional rights won by the Civil War nearly a century and a half ago.
They lost. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the amendment and the Supreme Court refused to review that ruling, making the anti-race discrimination amendment … the “law of the land”!
But liberals won’t stop.
Michigan voters approved a similar amendment to their state constitution in 2006. Guess what “settled law” is on its way to the Supreme Court? Again. Right now.
It’s been 17 years! (One-hundred and forty-eight years, if we’re counting from the end of the Civil War.)
Liberals will fight until they get their way — and, as soon as they do, they announce their one victory is “settled law.”
That’s what happened with Obamacare. Weren’t Americans reasonably clear about not wanting a hostile takeover of our health care system the last time Democrats tried it?
Hillarycare was so widely reviled that the majority Democratic Congress never held an up-or-down vote on it. In the very next election, the public punished Democrats for even thinking about nationalizing health care by voting in a Republican Congress for the first time in almost half a century.
Obamacare wasn’t passed because the nation changed its mind. We got Obamacare because, at a brief moment in time, the Democrats happened to have aberrationally large majorities in the House and Senate, as well as the presidency. It was quickly and unconstitutionally enacted on a strictly party-line vote.
In the very next election, the American people elected 63 new Republicans to the House of Representatives — the largest sweep of Congress for any party since 1948. Even liberal Massachusetts elected a Republican senator solely because of his vow to vote against Obamacare.
This is why the duly elected Republican majority in the House keeps funding the entire federal government — except Obamacare. Or except Congress’ exemption from Obamacare. Or except the individual mandate that Obama has already waived for his big-business friends.
“Settled law” has nothing to do with it. When Republicans won’t give up on an issue, it is because they are defending the will of the people, not pushing some harebrained scheme cooked up by a small group of zealots and imposed on the nation by an activist judge or freak Congress.
When Democrats refuse to give up on an issue, it’s against the will of the people with one party laughing, “Ha ha! We have 60 votes!”
It depends on what the meaning of ‘settled law’ is
By: Ann Coulter
10/16/2013 06:02 PM
No major legislation has ever been passed like Obamacare — and I’m using the word “passed” pretty loosely.
It became law without both houses ever voting on the same bill. (Say, is the Constitution considered “settled law”?) Not one Republican voted for it — and a lot of Democrats immediately wished they hadn’t.
Historically, big laws have been enacted with large, bipartisan majorities. In 1935, President Roosevelt enacted Social Security with a 372-33 vote in the House and 77-6 in the Senate.
In 1965, Medicare passed in the Senate 70-24 and the House 307-116, with the vast majority of Democrats supporting this Ponzi scheme and Republicans roughly split.
Reagan’s magnificent tax cuts in 1981 — which Democrats now denounce as if they’d been appalled at the time — passed with a vote of 89-11 in the Senate and even 323-107 in the hostile Democratic House.
Even Bill Clinton’s signature legislative achievement — Midnight Basketball for the Homeless — received more bipartisan support than Obamacare.
No law, certainly not one that fundamentally alters the role of the government, has ever been passed like this.
But now, this greased-through, irregular law is relentlessly defended as “settled law” and “the law of the land”! (At least the parts that Obama hasn’t unconstitutionally waived — again, anybody know if the Constitution is “settled law”?)
Wow — Obamacare sounds fantastic! Not only does Congress refuse to live under it, but its proponents’ strongest argument is that it’s “settled law!”
The most hilarious part of the “settled law” argument is that it’s coming from the left, for whom nothing is ever “settled” until they get their way — as described in my new book, [ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1621571912/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1621571912&linkCode=as2&tag=anncoulter-20"]Never Trust a Liberal Over Three-Especially a Republican[/ame]
Liberals seem to believe our founding fathers sought to create a country where the pushiest always win. (That’s why they’re the party of trial lawyers.) They want the nation’s policies to be determined by a never-ending co-op board meeting dominated by the most obnoxious shareholders.
As New Yorkers are about to discover if they elect Bill de Blasio mayor, for example, liberals will never abandon their plans to hamstring cops and spring criminals. For 30 years, New York City tried the Democrats’ approach to crime. The result was an explosion of murders, rapes, permanent disfigurements, robberies, car thefts and burglaries.
Then Rudy Giuliani came in and saved the city. The dramatic decrease in crime effected by Giuliani’s crime policies made commerce, tourism — life! — possible again in New York.
But liberals have been biding their time, waiting for people to forget, itching to get their hands on the levers of power so they can start releasing criminals again. (Or as Democrats refer to them, “our base.”)
Wasn’t “stop and frisk” “settled law”? Why yes, it was, upheld in 1996 by a New York appeals court in People v. Batista. But that settled law was recently overturned by a liberal judge in a case funded by George Soros.
Hey, does anyone know if the Second Amendment is “settled law”?
And how many dozens of states have expressly voted against gay marriage? Are we up to three dozen yet? But liberals consider repeated votes of the people merely an invitation to run to the courts to get the people’s will overturned.
California voters said “no” to gay marriage in a statewide initiative to amend their constitution. State courts upheld the amendment prohibiting gay marriage. You might say the No-Gay-Marriage amendment was — what’s the expression? — “settled law, upheld by the courts.”
Liberal groups appealed to the federal courts, where an activist judge, who happened to be gay, issued a PC ruling overturning the will of the people. His work done, the judge then resigned from the bench.
Oh — and how has the left treated “settled law” on race preferences? The fight against racial discrimination goes back to the Civil War, Reconstruction and a slew of Republican amendments to the U.S. Constitution.
But Democrats refuse to give up discriminating on the basis of race. (They just switched which race gets screwed.) The triumph of a color-blind political system lasted for about six minutes before Democrats were at it again.
In 1996, the people of California voted to amend the state constitution to prohibit race discrimination by the state. Liberals sued and sued and sued to overturn a majority vote of the people that merely affirmed constitutional rights won by the Civil War nearly a century and a half ago.
They lost. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the amendment and the Supreme Court refused to review that ruling, making the anti-race discrimination amendment … the “law of the land”!
But liberals won’t stop.
Michigan voters approved a similar amendment to their state constitution in 2006. Guess what “settled law” is on its way to the Supreme Court? Again. Right now.
It’s been 17 years! (One-hundred and forty-eight years, if we’re counting from the end of the Civil War.)
Liberals will fight until they get their way — and, as soon as they do, they announce their one victory is “settled law.”
That’s what happened with Obamacare. Weren’t Americans reasonably clear about not wanting a hostile takeover of our health care system the last time Democrats tried it?
Hillarycare was so widely reviled that the majority Democratic Congress never held an up-or-down vote on it. In the very next election, the public punished Democrats for even thinking about nationalizing health care by voting in a Republican Congress for the first time in almost half a century.
Obamacare wasn’t passed because the nation changed its mind. We got Obamacare because, at a brief moment in time, the Democrats happened to have aberrationally large majorities in the House and Senate, as well as the presidency. It was quickly and unconstitutionally enacted on a strictly party-line vote.
In the very next election, the American people elected 63 new Republicans to the House of Representatives — the largest sweep of Congress for any party since 1948. Even liberal Massachusetts elected a Republican senator solely because of his vow to vote against Obamacare.
This is why the duly elected Republican majority in the House keeps funding the entire federal government — except Obamacare. Or except Congress’ exemption from Obamacare. Or except the individual mandate that Obama has already waived for his big-business friends.
“Settled law” has nothing to do with it. When Republicans won’t give up on an issue, it is because they are defending the will of the people, not pushing some harebrained scheme cooked up by a small group of zealots and imposed on the nation by an activist judge or freak Congress.
When Democrats refuse to give up on an issue, it’s against the will of the people with one party laughing, “Ha ha! We have 60 votes!”