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Old 03-29-2008, 05:56 PM
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Research supports that wearing helmets even on push bikes prevents many unnecessary head injuries.

While you may feel it an individuals right to choose to wear or not wear the consequence of the latter costs the community huge dollars.



And to be fair I guess those that choose not to wear, pay a higher premium than those that choose to wear?
It shouldn't cost the community anything. I pay my own medical and/or insurance. That's another problem with socialized medicine. Once you tie an individuals choices to what it would cost the 'community', you justify limiting an individuals choices/freedom.

Should someone without a helmet pay a higher insurance premium? That should of course be up to the insurance company, but it seems obvious that they should. Insurance companies already charge smokers more for the same reason.

Again, I'm wearing my helmet. My choice.

What's a 'push bike'? Did Aktiv produce bicycles as well?
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Old 03-29-2008, 06:31 PM
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It shouldn't cost the community anything. I pay my own medical and/or insurance. That's another problem with socialized medicine. Once you tie an individuals choices to what it would cost the 'community', you justify limiting an individuals choices/freedom.

Should someone without a helmet pay a higher insurance premium? That should of course be up to the insurance company, but it seems obvious that they should.
How do you work out that it costs nothing, about 50 million Americans have no health insurance, and from what I have read millions more only have partial cover.

I have had numerous arguments here about your health system and dozens of people here have admitted that every one will be treated in an emergency. I guess you have a socialist system by stealth and denial.


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What's a 'push bike'? Did Aktiv produce bicycles as well?
I don't have a clue to what you are on about.
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Old 03-29-2008, 10:15 PM
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Howdy,
just for the record, when I had my accident I didnt have insurance. I paid the hospital bill in monthly payments. If you are going to ride a bike, just know that you will be more susceptable to physical ihjury than cage drivers. Dont whimper about it, just recognize it. I still dont want you or anyone else telling me how to ride!!!! Have a goodun!!!
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Ross,
for the record, I agree that seat belt and helmet laws suck. yes, it's another instance where the government is legislating personal choices, which I disagree with.
I still wore a helmet when riding - and I feel it saved my life when I bongoed at 70mph. (run off the road by a mom in a station wagon with no clue what her mirrors were for) I also wear my seatbelt any time I go through the front gate and often when I'm out driving across the pasture.

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yes, we have a "stealth socialist society". social family services, social security, government subsidised housing for the poor, free/reduced cost school lunches for the poor, etc... but no national health care, which I'm glad of - and would be happier if the government would cut back on some of them if it meant they would quit taking such a bite out of my paycheck. (and no, I don't believe it's ever going to happen that a government cuts down on it's own slice of the pie for any reason)

Bob,
I really do commend you for what I'm hearing about your approach to the rules and privileges you're hitting Melen with as she grows.
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Howdy Erik,
I totally support your choice to wear helmets and wear seat belts. I would also support your choice to not use them if You didnt choose to. I am totally for individual rights!!! Have a goodun!!!
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Howdy Erik,
I totally support your choice to wear helmets and wear seat belts. I would also support your choice to not use them if You didnt choose to. I am totally for individual rights!!! Have a goodun!!!
I also am one of those who doesn't like things like Helmet or Seatbelt laws. But I make my daughter wear helmets and seatbelts and I choose to wear a seatbelt in the car too. Just because they are smart to wear, does not mean that the government should mandate their usage.

I've said before I don't wear a helmet when riding on our scooters, but I suspect that if I actually rode a real motorcycle then I'd wear a helmet. I know that I can die on a scooter too, but we travel at slow speeds most of the time, rarely see cars on the rural roads we travel and I honestly think the risk/reward is reasonable for an adult. When my daughter grows up and moves out of the house, she can buy her own scooter/motorcycle and do as she pleases. Until then she will follow my rules. In fact she recently drove one of the scooters from its winter storage spot in my workshop to the house. She did not have a helmet on, nor was she wearing appropriate shoes. I gave her 'hell' but let her drive the 100 yard trip without adult supervision
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I also am one of those who doesn't like things like Helmet or Seatbelt laws. But I make my daughter wear helmets and seatbelts and I choose to wear a seatbelt in the car too. Just because they are smart to wear, does not mean that the government should mandate their usage.
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EXACTLY!Dad hit me with the skid lid rule - that so long as I was in his house and on his insurance I'd wear one. After the cicada "meeting", I never questioned him, and kept wearing one whenever I rode, along with blue jeans and a denim jacket or field jacket. (couldn't find a leather jacket that fit right)
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When my sister was young she was on the gack of a crotch rocket waering sandles. She had 3d degree burns on her ankle and legg because the boy almost laid it over while holding it up just sitting in one place talking
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Our beloved government has made it mandatory for us to wear seat belts and wear crash helmets, we have no freedom in this country. Whether or not I agree with the wearing of either is by the way, I do NOT agree with our Nanny state enforcing this things upon us.
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